RE: Red Victor at it again!
Discussion
14 said:
Here's a video of Andy going to Waitrose in RV3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI9ptwMxunI
Doubt I'll ever see a veyron in a waitrose car park 
A very odd series on contributions from one individual, no idea of the motive. Having met Andy very briefly at the Silverstone Classic the whole concept of Red Victor is to involve everyone in the project, sure he drives it, but everyone gets to be part of it- whether you contribute financially or provide support in another way.
There is only positivity to come from this, the car competes under the rules and is capable of driving up the street on different tyres. Look forward to seeing the progress in the middle east and wish the team all the best.
There is only positivity to come from this, the car competes under the rules and is capable of driving up the street on different tyres. Look forward to seeing the progress in the middle east and wish the team all the best.
Equus said:
themanwithnoname said:
Honestly, tell me which is faster for all practical purposes?
For practical purposes? The Veyron or the Hennessey, obviously: you could hardly use Red Victor for a daily commute up the autobahn. It's designed for a 1/4 mile squirt, and that's all it's good for.themanwithnoname said:
Apologies for the exasperated tone, but it really is this kind of thing that ruins what was once a great forum, pettiness and pickiness.
Apologies if you are easily exasperated.I'm genuinely interested (and have been for many, many, years), in speed record breaking. I'm also genuinely interested in the difference between the speeds achieved by 'official' recordbreakers and the peak speeds achieved by drag machines.
My personal area of interest is the WWSR, where the official record for immersed propeller boats stands at 220mph, but drag boats regularly peak at much more (261mph is the highest recorded, I think). That's because (obviously to most people) it's a hell of a lot more difficult to sustain a high speed for the necessary 2 runs in opposite directions over a flying kilometre or mile, than it is to squirt up to a one-way instantaneous peak. Same with the infamous 'Budweiser Rocket', on land.
What interests me here is that the reverse is true: Red Victor's recorded peak Vmax is actually a lot lower than the official 2-way average (over a flying kilometre) achieved by the Bugatti Veyron.
Have a quick search and look for Andys build thread. It answers all your questions and won't waste anyone else's time, if having read the thread you think you're in a position to offer Andy or any of the team involved advice on how to build a car properly please comment.
In essence Andy is playing by the rules. If you don't like the rules, complain to whoever wrote them.
As for comparing this to a Veyron...
Equus said:
Flying Toilet said:
Mainly by a bloke who chose his username after seeing Daniel Radcliffe naked.
You're wrong, of course, but better that than be a guy whose idea of fun is something that's all over in less than 6 seconds. 
Andy is trying to realise his dream, along with the dream of his supporters, and all you post is pure negativity.
Why don't you go and have a pop at Laura Trott or Mark Cavendish because they're not on road bikes, any of the pool swimmers because they're not in the sea.
As for the practicality of the Hennesy or Veyron, I expect Andy could cram in a bit more shopping from Waitrose in RV3 than they could. As for practicality, how practical is it that the Veyron has to have new wheels at regular intervals, not just the tyres, but the wheels! I don't change the wheels on my road car so surely by your own volition the Veyron doesn't count as a road car.
Leave Andy, his project, his supporters and his ambition alone. If you had even the first inkling of what he has had to go through to get to this stage you should be standing up and applauding his efforts rather than trying to score points.
dorrisdormouse said:
Equus said:
For practical purposes? The Veyron or the Hennessey, obviously: you could hardly use Red Victor for a daily commute up the autobahn. It's designed for a 1/4 mile squirt, and that's all it's good for.
Your talking out of your anal region....
Even the most closed minded, ignorant, redneck US based drag racer will give respect to a top tier circuit racing car where it due - It might not be their particular passion or interest, but they'll respect the engineering, time, money and passion it takes to be the fastest/quickest/best at anything in the world.
In the UK with the tables turned? Straight into questioning its' legality, trying to redefine the accepted rules of a record that has been in existence for decades with no apparent experience or knowledge of drag racing, and my personally favorite tangent, comparing the practicality to a Bugatti Veyron
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These are the type of questions Andy should expect from Primary school children, from a website that supposedly exists to cater for grown up car enthusiasts, they are a little bit worrying.
Andy is out busting his backside representing Britain in just about the only motorsport in the world where we are massively outgunned, competing out of a country that has a teeny, tiny drag racing community, against a country where nearly every town will have at least one multiple thousand horse power drag car operating out of it, with numerous tracks, suppliers, tuners, events and sponsorship opportunities available in close proximity.
I sometimes don't think people in the UK can actually understand how quick these cars actually are - More accelerative 'G ' than a Space Shuttle on Launch, 0-100MPH done before the fabled Veyron has thought about going 60, and by the time a Veyron would have done 100, Andy has pulled the chutes, and is wondering what he's going to have for Dinner. This car is on an entirely different galaxy in terms of performance compared to even the fastest road or race cars from other categories, which makes the fact the it can be driven to Waitrose with little more than a few tweaks even more impressive.
Massive respect to Andy and all of his team. Good luck!
In the UK with the tables turned? Straight into questioning its' legality, trying to redefine the accepted rules of a record that has been in existence for decades with no apparent experience or knowledge of drag racing, and my personally favorite tangent, comparing the practicality to a Bugatti Veyron
...These are the type of questions Andy should expect from Primary school children, from a website that supposedly exists to cater for grown up car enthusiasts, they are a little bit worrying.
Andy is out busting his backside representing Britain in just about the only motorsport in the world where we are massively outgunned, competing out of a country that has a teeny, tiny drag racing community, against a country where nearly every town will have at least one multiple thousand horse power drag car operating out of it, with numerous tracks, suppliers, tuners, events and sponsorship opportunities available in close proximity.
I sometimes don't think people in the UK can actually understand how quick these cars actually are - More accelerative 'G ' than a Space Shuttle on Launch, 0-100MPH done before the fabled Veyron has thought about going 60, and by the time a Veyron would have done 100, Andy has pulled the chutes, and is wondering what he's going to have for Dinner. This car is on an entirely different galaxy in terms of performance compared to even the fastest road or race cars from other categories, which makes the fact the it can be driven to Waitrose with little more than a few tweaks even more impressive.
Massive respect to Andy and all of his team. Good luck!
Unfortunately I think that people outside of the drag racing community just dont get what is involved and what these cars are. It's an image problem that the sport has in this country, and im sure others too. Unfortunately though nowadays people in this country are all too eager to ridicule without understanding, or at least those comfortably hidden away behind their keyboards. Building a car like Andys is every bit as involved as building a car for other forms of motorsport, and the engineering in many areas is as complicated or moreso than in a bugatti veyron. Driving these cars is no easy feat either. If you've never at least watch the sport up close then your probably not going to get it. If youve built one or driven one then you'll totally understand what a big deal this is.
Take a look at this video it might help you understand:
https://www.facebook.com/hayley.hadfield/videos/73...
Take a look at this video it might help you understand:
https://www.facebook.com/hayley.hadfield/videos/73...
279 said:
Even the most closed minded, ignorant, redneck US based drag racer will give respect to a top tier circuit racing car where it due - It might not be their particular passion or interest, but they'll respect the engineering, time, money and passion it takes to be the fastest/quickest/best at anything in the world.
In the UK with the tables turned? Straight into questioning its' legality, trying to redefine the accepted rules of a record that has been in existence for decades with no apparent experience or knowledge of drag racing, and my personally favorite tangent, comparing the practicality to a Bugatti Veyron...
These are the type of questions Andy should expect from Primary school children, from a website that supposedly exists to cater for grown up car enthusiasts, they are a little bit worrying.
Andy is out busting his backside representing Britain in just about the only motorsport in the world where we are massively outgunned, competing out of a country that has a teeny, tiny drag racing community, against a country where nearly every town will have at least one multiple thousand horse power drag car operating out of it, with numerous tracks, suppliers, tuners, events and sponsorship opportunities available in close proximity.
I sometimes don't think people in the UK can actually understand how quick these cars actually are - More accelerative 'G ' than a Space Shuttle on Launch, 0-100MPH done before the fabled Veyron has thought about going 60, and by the time a Veyron would have done 100, Andy has pulled the chutes, and is wondering what he's going to have for Dinner. This car is on an entirely different galaxy in terms of performance compared to even the fastest road or race cars from other categories, which makes the fact the it can be driven to Waitrose with little more than a few tweaks even more impressive.
Massive respect to Andy and all of his team. Good luck!
Thank you 279, i appreciate your words and understanding of what we are trying to achieve.In the UK with the tables turned? Straight into questioning its' legality, trying to redefine the accepted rules of a record that has been in existence for decades with no apparent experience or knowledge of drag racing, and my personally favorite tangent, comparing the practicality to a Bugatti Veyron
...These are the type of questions Andy should expect from Primary school children, from a website that supposedly exists to cater for grown up car enthusiasts, they are a little bit worrying.
Andy is out busting his backside representing Britain in just about the only motorsport in the world where we are massively outgunned, competing out of a country that has a teeny, tiny drag racing community, against a country where nearly every town will have at least one multiple thousand horse power drag car operating out of it, with numerous tracks, suppliers, tuners, events and sponsorship opportunities available in close proximity.
I sometimes don't think people in the UK can actually understand how quick these cars actually are - More accelerative 'G ' than a Space Shuttle on Launch, 0-100MPH done before the fabled Veyron has thought about going 60, and by the time a Veyron would have done 100, Andy has pulled the chutes, and is wondering what he's going to have for Dinner. This car is on an entirely different galaxy in terms of performance compared to even the fastest road or race cars from other categories, which makes the fact the it can be driven to Waitrose with little more than a few tweaks even more impressive.
Massive respect to Andy and all of his team. Good luck!
Which as you alluded to is incredibly difficult to do here in the UK.
For years i have done this out of my own pocket, so it's always been done slowly so i could afford the best parts i could get.
The pace is a little faster now, but it's equally as hard to do now the performance has risen to this level.
Every part HAS to be the best, so that always costs.
I wish with all my heart we could do this record here, but there are just too many things have to come together to wait for the stars to align. We are hedging our bets going to Bahrain. We could spend as much trying here, and almost certainly failing. I'd rather spend the same and go somewhere that will allow the car to run to it's full potential.
"We could have done it if...." never works in record breaking. What works is the ticket with the record number on it, and the video to prove the run.
This is why we are trying to get the additional funding above what we have raised ourselves so we can do more than 1 meeting in Bahrain. We have enough to ship the car there and back, and have 1 meetings worth of flights for our crew, and accomodation, and fuel and tyres for that one meeting only.
This is an opportunity that comes along once in a lifetime for us. We're all "busting our balls" to be able to complete our mission.
Thanks everyone (apart from a couple) for your support.
Impasse said:
Equus said:
themanwithnoname said:
Honestly, tell me which is faster for all practical purposes?
For practical purpses? The Veyron or the Hennessey, obviously: you could hardly use Red Victor for a daily commute up the autobahn. It's designed for a 1/4 mile squirt, and that's all it's good for.themanwithnoname said:
Apologies for the exasperated tone, but it really is this kind of thing that ruins what was once a great forum, pettiness and pickiness.
Apologies if you are easily exasperated.I'm genuinely interested (and have been for many, many, years), in speed record breaking. I'm also genuinely interested in the difference between the speeds achieved by 'official' recordbreakers and the peak speeds achieved by drag machines.
My personal area of interest is the WWSR, where the official record for immersed propeller boats stands at 220mph, but drag boats regularly peak at much more (261mph is the highest recorded, I think). That's because (obviously to most people) it's a hell of a lot more difficult to sustain a high speed for the necessary 2 runs in opposite directions over a flying kilometre or mile, than it is to squirt up to a one-way instantaneous peak.
What interests me here is that the reverse is true: Red Victor's recorded peak Vmax is actually a lot lower than the, official 2-way average (over a flying kilometre) achieved by the Bugatti Veyron.
I met Andy at a classic car show at the NEC, really nice guy and freely gave his time to talk about his car with pride.
Andy, I was the guy who asked about your car as it was once reported as being a Ventora and we had a discussion surrounding this. I had a Ventora in the olden days, 3.3 straight six and was fairly fast I thought. That said, a diesel 3 cyl polo would probably beat it today........
You said a few posts ago that it was a Victor and the grill suggests it was a VX490.......hows that for being anal haha.
Whichever way Andy, i hope you kick everyone's butts and regain the record.
One thing I do know is that the car is an absolute work of art and i cerianly wouldnt take it on at the lights, not even if i was on a rocket powered hyabusa!!
I agree its a pity that some on here can only rip others work to bits - wonder what they have achieved in life?
Andy, I was the guy who asked about your car as it was once reported as being a Ventora and we had a discussion surrounding this. I had a Ventora in the olden days, 3.3 straight six and was fairly fast I thought. That said, a diesel 3 cyl polo would probably beat it today........
You said a few posts ago that it was a Victor and the grill suggests it was a VX490.......hows that for being anal haha.
Whichever way Andy, i hope you kick everyone's butts and regain the record.
One thing I do know is that the car is an absolute work of art and i cerianly wouldnt take it on at the lights, not even if i was on a rocket powered hyabusa!!
I agree its a pity that some on here can only rip others work to bits - wonder what they have achieved in life?
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