Preposterous exhaust pics

[Europa1]

FastRich said:

Personally, I think it doesn't matter what the car is - hatch, saloon, 4x4, super car whatever - the correct ratio is: Maximum 1 exhaust pipe/tip for every 2 cylinders but it must be easily divisible e.g. a V8 can't have 3 pipes.

Don't let any F40 owners see that...

[Vitorio]

FastRich said:

a V8 can't have 3 pipes.

Heathen!

[nathaniel.read]

The Miura's fake exhaust tips should get an honourable mention here! (Dan Trent's photo I believe)

[Piston-Ed]

Is it me, or is a black TVR Tuscan still one of the best ever looking cars from that angle?

Mince said:

Hard to argue with TVR's exhaust selection always straight to the point ....or just straight through :P

[Vitorio]

nathaniel.read said:

The Miura's fake exhaust tips should get an honourable mention here! (Dan Trent's photo I believe)

I did not know that! makes sense though, given that the whole rear body shell rotates backwards as engine cover.

[DottyMR2]

Phon_E87 said:

Goofnik said:

Except they're likely not. A Type 997.2 911 GT2 which made 620HP had only two exhaust outlets -- one for each cylinder bank. Why does a Civic with an inline four that makes ~350 fewer HP need twice as many? Moreover, more powerful Lancer Evolutions only had a single exhaust outlet.

I DON'T CARE.
The Civic is as mad as a brush and requires tubes - it DEMANDS them.

Sometimes you - (not You, necessarily) - just have to take the stick out of your butt and stop reducing everything to a technical argument.
Just look at it, of course it needs 4 exhausts!!!!

I have to disagree. I love my jap cars and what it needed IMO was 2 big pipes, not a quad. JDM cars shouldn't be adding more pipes, they should be adding more diameter!

[VladD]

Europa1 said:

FastRich said:

Personally, I think it doesn't matter what the car is - hatch, saloon, 4x4, super car whatever - the correct ratio is: Maximum 1 exhaust pipe/tip for every 2 cylinders but it must be easily divisible e.g. a V8 can't have 3 pipes.

Don't let any F40 owners see that...

The F40 has two for the engine and one for the turbo though. My Boxster has one for the engine and one for the turbo.

[kambites]

Europa1 said:

FastRich said:

Personally, I think it doesn't matter what the car is - hatch, saloon, 4x4, super car whatever - the correct ratio is: Maximum 1 exhaust pipe/tip for every 2 cylinders but it must be easily divisible e.g. a V8 can't have 3 pipes.

Don't let any F40 owners see that...

The F40 only has two exhaust pipes, at least in the conventional sense of the term. The middle one is the outlet form the turbo waste-gate.

[soad]

Piston-Ed said:

Is it me, or is a black TVR Tuscan still one of the best ever looking cars from that angle?

Mince said:

Hard to argue with TVR's exhaust selection always straight to the point ....or just straight through :P

Gets my approval.

[PoopahScoopah]

I clicked on this thread expecting a bit of a laugh at all the mental examples, in a Barryboys stylee. Somewhere in the first few pages I seem to have strayed in to a different thread, populated by anally retentive bores discussing the regulations around how many pipes are permissible by engine configuration, size and power output. Jesus fking wept guys, you should take a step back and have a look at yourselves! If I was Clarkson I'd be mocking you using that adenoidal impression he always does.

I'd wager that any of you lot who are being critical because it's "shallow", "style over substance" "for the sheep" etc etc are being just a touch hypocritical. Unless you can honestly, hand on heart say that you have never, EVER, bought a car or modified a car due in some part to the way it looks - how YOU want it to look - then you are a hypocrite.

And what really gets my goat throughout all the bullst of the last 8,9 or 10 pages is that you are all savvy enough to know that cars for the masses are not designed entirely around function and nothing else. So no, maybe a Golf or a Civic doesn't NEED 4 tailpipes, or even 2, but a 1.2 supermini doesn't NEED 17" wheels, we don't NEED cup holders, we don't NEED infotainment systems, we don't NEED air cooled seats, we don't NEED multiples driving modes.....do I need to go on?

So with all that out of my system.........
- The Golf R does look a bit silly in the context of the rest of it looking subdued, but it doesn't offend me.
- The Civic Type-R looks silly to begin with, so the 4 tailpipes are entirely in-keeping with the overall image and therefore it works as a whole.
- The latest Corvette with 4 big pipes in the middle in a row is bloody ghastly - if slightly smaller and a gap between the 2 banks like they used to be that would be fine, but for some reason when they are in a row they just look ridiculous.
- I have no issue with the latest trend for fake "tips" as I don't really see them as being tailpipes, but rather a trim part of the bumper (which is exactly what most of them are). If the overall design is cohesive and attractive then so fking what that it's not an actual tailpipe? So what, we have to stick with a piece of round pipe hanging below the bumper for the rest of eternity? Heaven forbid that car design evolves eh?
- And now to somewhat contradict by point above, I do draw the line at fake tips where there is no exhaust exit when it's just been added to up the pipe count. If it's to the overall benefit of the design then OK (as I said above), but if it's an example where they only seem to have added extra pipes to make the car look more powerful but you can clearly see it's just a bit of trim with nothing behind, then that does become jarring.

Bit of a petty gripe on this one, but I find the position of the twin pipes on the E55 AMG annoying. If they were a few inches further out towards the edge of the car it would be perfect.
http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/33349/amg_marke...

[anonymous-user]

Vitorio said:

nathaniel.read said:

The Miura's fake exhaust tips should get an honourable mention here! (Dan Trent's photo I believe)

I did not know that! makes sense though, given that the whole rear body shell rotates backwards as engine cover.

Worth noting that the vast majority of modern cars have the finisher/tip separate to the actual exhaust system for two main reasons:

1) makes exhaust alignment less critical. ie maintains an even gap around the finisher to the bumper/trim around it. As exhausts are softly hung and expand contract and are very long, they are difficult to manufacture with close enough tollerance to use an integral finisher

2) The finisher is usually designed to pre-mix air into the exhaust stream to keep the finisher cooler (stop it melting the plastic bumper to which it is attached) and to reduce gas rush noise at the pipe exit (meet driveby noise stds)

[iphonedyou]

Clivey said:

All having quad exhausts on a 4-cylinder hatchback does, apart from making the car look idiotic, is add unnecessary weight.

It's a Golf, fella. Nobody gives a st about weight.

It's not a bloody Caterham 7.

[kayzee]

Sag1 said:

I'm gutted my old car hasn't made an appearance yet.





Jeez I was a messed up 21 year old.

At least it looks well done! Seen far worse to be honest... needs spacers and bigger brakes though

[omgus]

PoopahScoopah said:

adenoidal

Yep, fair enough.

PoopahScoopah said:

Bit of a petty gripe on this one, but I find the position of the twin pipes on the E55 AMG annoying. If they were a few inches further out towards the edge of the car it would be perfect.

That is how it starts, then there is the frothing at the mouth, then the adenoidal whines.

[Clivey]

iphonedyou said:

It's a Golf, fella. Nobody gives a st about weight.

It's not a bloody Caterham 7.

That doesn't mean that they shouldn't care. - VW have just made a "Clubsport S" version of the GTI with no rear seats and the option to ditch the air con. They also made it manual only because the DSG box weighs 20KG more...yet despite it using the EA888 engine, it still has twin pipes.

[alec.e]

Fancy some more exhaust tips? You can literally stick them on...


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rear-Fender-Exterior-Decor...UgAAOSwQjNW9Mj7&vxp=mtr

[anonymous-user]

Clivey said:

That doesn't mean that they shouldn't care. - VW have just made a "Clubsport S" version of the GTI with no rear seats and the option to ditch the air con. They also made it manual only because the DSG box weighs 20KG more...yet despite it using the EA888 engine, it still has twin pipes.

So what are they supposed to do. Make just 150 (plus spares) rear ends?

[Benjo42]

Mince said:

Hard to argue with TVR's exhaust selection always straight to the point ....or just straight through :P

This reminds me, my dad had a leaky exhaust and the MOT was due on the rass-claat, so I gave him and ART race can off my 400 Honda NC29. It sounded awesome, no word of a lie. Bagged a bird in that at one point too! Ultimate pulling machine.

[Clivey]

yonex said:

So what are they supposed to do. Make just 150 (plus spares) rear ends?

400 (150 is the UK allocation). There is precident as the Clubsport & Clubsport S bodywork is already different from a standard GTI. Having said that, I'd have designed every 4-pot Golf with a single exit to start with.

[Quickmoose]

It is definitely becoming more of 'thing' though, the presentation, positioning and number of exhaust tips, real or fake.
Porsche have a massive array of choices with their line up. Most of which look ok.
I'm not really fussed about the number of tips, as long as the rest of the design can take it. ie Golf R - no.....Type R - just.
Relieved to see Audi reel it in a bit with the Q3.

Worst offenders are those whose less than pretty exhaust tips finish early and then have a mass of body work and fake trim pieces just in front of them to disturb the airflow but 'look' better. Who the hell falls for that?!

As mentioned it's all clearly just looks and branding/one-up manship - if a supercar can do with one, there's not other need for additional tips.