RE: Range Rover Sport MY17 updates
Discussion
W124 said:
Very true. I have spent a bit of time in them both and the Volvo feels a long, long way ahead. It is much newer though. Also, and this is a big one, the XC90 can drive itself on bigger roads. Steering, brakes, cruise, the lot. You have to touch the wheel every 20 seconds or so to let it know you are awake, but it's essentially autonomous. If you do motorway miles that puts the XC90 in another league. Saving the fact that you can't get the twin engine hybrid with a spare wheel, it's the best car on sale by miles. The RR and RR sport are way too far behind and JLR are relying on their cars static showroom appeal way too heavily if you ask me. The only car they make that I like is the XF, which is absolutely brilliant. It's kind of overlooked - but it's such a good car. As an aside, the 2.0 diesel ingenium has been nasty in every application I have driven so far - bar the XF.
I have a new shape XF with the 180PS Ingenium engine. The car is brilliant in terms of its handling, fit and finish. I love the way it looks from the front, less so from the back. It is roomy enough for a mid/large-size saloon and does all I need and some.The one thing I hate about the car is its engine, its underpowered, noisy and terribly geared. My wife for comparison has a 420d Convertible with 184PS, the BMW is 200kg heavier yet its quicker than the XF, quieter and so much better to drive through the gears. The Ingenium engine is very frugal though, very easy to get 50+ mpg and have even seen 63mpg on one run.
For me the engine/gearing completely ruins the car and I would never recommend the engine to anyone who is a keen driver. My previous car a Seat Leon FR 1.4 Petrol was the best pound for pound car I have ever owned including my Porsche Spyder.
I think JLR are doing some amazing things for such a small company and long may they be as successful as they are now.
Edited by lotus116tornado on Wednesday 17th August 12:02
Ozzie Osmond said:
"While PH may focus on the more performance oriented end of the SUV market"
Good grief - there was a time when PH had a focus on sportscars.
Roll up, roll up, get your diesel SUV here...
And once upon time the earth was flat and witches floated.Good grief - there was a time when PH had a focus on sportscars.
Roll up, roll up, get your diesel SUV here...
Times change, the great thing about PH is that caters for all sorts most of whom are united by a passion for matters automotive in their most general sense.
Mrs Digga had a very early Evoque SD4 and swapped last year from new Ingenium powered version. NVH is massively improved, but it's a frustrating thing to use if you need to get a shift on out of busy junctions or roundabout; really needs the whip. Can't see this being much use/fun in a larger bodied car.
Digga said:
bertie said:
replaced it with a Tesla S 90D and love it!
Not you as well!Mate who was a serial Audi RS nut has just bought one of these milkfloats. He loves it too. (I miss the racket of his RS4 V8.)
Still got plenty of other noisy stuff!
bertie said:
Digga said:
bertie said:
replaced it with a Tesla S 90D and love it!
Not you as well!Mate who was a serial Audi RS nut has just bought one of these milkfloats. He loves it too. (I miss the racket of his RS4 V8.)
Still got plenty of other noisy stuff!
(Just kidding. And who am I to judge - who spends most of his driving hours behind the wheel of a van.)
RSK21 said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Roll up, roll up, get your diesel SUV here...
And once upon time the earth was flat and witches floated. Times change, the great thing about PH is that caters for all sorts most of whom are united by a passion for matters automotive in their most general sense.Ozzie Osmond said:
Do be sure to let me know when "SUV Racing live from Brands Hatch" hits our TV screens. Until then you can take your witches and stick them up your flat earth. Putting a Sport badge on a lumpen SUV may boost the driver's ego at the pub but it serves no other purpose whatsoever.
How true! Who in their right mind would want a Rangey with a diesel 4? Personally I will never buy another diesel. I had a turbo diesel Land Cruiser and the engine annoyed me so much that I chopped it for a Lexus 470, that V8 responce and power - pure heaven (if you ignore the fuel bills!)Ozzie Osmond said:
Do be sure to let me know when "SUV Racing live from Brands Hatch" hits our TV screens. Until then you can take your witches and stick them up your flat earth. Putting a Sport badge on a lumpen SUV may boost the driver's ego at the pub but it serves no other purpose whatsoever.
Goodness me you do feel rather strongly about this don't you ?There's a great deal to ponder in your post, including, but not limited to:
What on earth does Brands Hatch have to do with it ?
Why do certain people assume people have nothing better to do in pubs than talk about their cars ?
Are SUVs all lumpen ?
Why the inference that you can only enjoy cars if it's a sports car or participates in televised Motorsport ?
Why are you so aggressive to strangers on the Internet ?
torchy6 said:
How true! Who in their right mind would want a Rangey with a diesel 4? Personally I will never buy another diesel. I had a turbo diesel Land Cruiser and the engine annoyed me so much that I chopped it for a Lexus 470, that V8 responce and power - pure heaven (if you ignore the fuel bills!)
Times, tastes and acceptability thresholds change though don't they ?There are countless "who would want" examples I imagine - a turbocharged series production Ferrari, a four cylinder Porsche Boxster, a four wheel drive car that isn't an off roader, an electric car of all things !!!
The point is markets evolve either through choice, legislation, necessity, innovation etc etc it won't be everybody's cup of tea or diesel but they will sell as many as they can make no doubt.
I'm sure this will sell, but unless RR/LR seriously up the game in terms of being reliable, they will still have limited repeat sales.
Almost every other manufacturer builds something either better in terms of performance, and all round ability or simple reliability.
The only market these RRS type vehicles appeal to are the townies who want to look good on the school run, they have zero attraction to anyone who needs the vehicle to work consistently day in day out.
Almost every other manufacturer builds something either better in terms of performance, and all round ability or simple reliability.
The only market these RRS type vehicles appeal to are the townies who want to look good on the school run, they have zero attraction to anyone who needs the vehicle to work consistently day in day out.
I saw an article in the newspaper a few days ago taking the p155 out of the royal family for constantly promoting LR/RR products. Priceless.
Can't find the particular link but here's something similar from 2013,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516576/Ka...
Can't find the particular link but here's something similar from 2013,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516576/Ka...
It's never got any better since the days of the first disco.
At least the Defenders just broke down mechanically.... daily.
the later stuff is fitted with masses of warning buzzers and flashing lights, which seem to go off every single time you get in the damned things.
I have driven a Ford Ranger 3.2 for the last 9 months, and absolutely nothing has gone wrong with it yet. Something that has never been achieved in over 18 years of driving LR products.
At least the Defenders just broke down mechanically.... daily.
the later stuff is fitted with masses of warning buzzers and flashing lights, which seem to go off every single time you get in the damned things.
I have driven a Ford Ranger 3.2 for the last 9 months, and absolutely nothing has gone wrong with it yet. Something that has never been achieved in over 18 years of driving LR products.
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