Why you should give cyclists a wide berth when passing.
Discussion
spookly said:
That's the thing knob head, it isn't just me. There are plenty of people who get annoyed by it.
That's why some of them overtake you aggressively/dangerously. I don't do that, but I can see why they are also annoyed.
Ps. You know you look very camp in your lycra don't you?
Lol, is that really the best you can do to deflect that you're an inconsiderate pollock when you get begind the wheel? To a person, these threads find the motorists with the weakest set of skills and most self importance, that'll be you That's why some of them overtake you aggressively/dangerously. I don't do that, but I can see why they are also annoyed.
Ps. You know you look very camp in your lycra don't you?
heebeegeetee said:
C'mon, get to the nub of it: Give us a figure. How much time do you reckon per annum you lose to "lots of congestion" caused by cyclists?
He won't know, prolly guess at being stuck for minutes but as per most angry anti everyone type people he wouldn't get onto his second hand, which, is fortunate 
yonex said:
spookly said:
That's the thing knob head, it isn't just me. There are plenty of people who get annoyed by it.
That's why some of them overtake you aggressively/dangerously. I don't do that, but I can see why they are also annoyed.
Ps. You know you look very camp in your lycra don't you?
Lol, is that really the best you can do to deflect that you're an inconsiderate pollock when you get begind the wheel? To a person, these threads find the motorists with the weakest set of skills and most self importance, that'll be you That's why some of them overtake you aggressively/dangerously. I don't do that, but I can see why they are also annoyed.
Ps. You know you look very camp in your lycra don't you?
I said that I patiently wait behind cyclists until it is safe to overtake. Which makes them more annoying, not less. As my own unwillingness to put them in danger causes me more delay.
It might help if you could read.
As ever, you two wheeled pedal power maniacs rise to the bait!
This website is for car enthusiasts, but some on here seem to spend a good amount of time rubbishing the car. Are you on the right website?
The replies to my last post seemed to concentrate on the overtaking issue
No one seemed to want to address the dedicated cycle paths question. Why is it necessary to still cycle on the road when there is a wide, dedicated cycle path beside the road? It is much safer than the road, so why not use them. Returning to the lycra lovers, I have never seen a lycra clad cyclist on the dedicated cycleway. Is it because it reduces their credibility as a 'serious cyclist'??
And what about racing on a track. You could swerve around other cyclist or ride 4 abreast in complete safety.... No potholes either!
I am also curious if any on here have any third party insurance when out cycling?
It appears that some posters on this forum spend a great deal of their time on here. There are other things to life and you could always cycle to experience them in your lycra!
This website is for car enthusiasts, but some on here seem to spend a good amount of time rubbishing the car. Are you on the right website?
The replies to my last post seemed to concentrate on the overtaking issue
No one seemed to want to address the dedicated cycle paths question. Why is it necessary to still cycle on the road when there is a wide, dedicated cycle path beside the road? It is much safer than the road, so why not use them. Returning to the lycra lovers, I have never seen a lycra clad cyclist on the dedicated cycleway. Is it because it reduces their credibility as a 'serious cyclist'??
And what about racing on a track. You could swerve around other cyclist or ride 4 abreast in complete safety.... No potholes either!
I am also curious if any on here have any third party insurance when out cycling?
It appears that some posters on this forum spend a great deal of their time on here. There are other things to life and you could always cycle to experience them in your lycra!
Storer said:
As ever, you two wheeled pedal power maniacs rise to the bait!
This website is for car enthusiasts, but some on here seem to spend a good amount of time rubbishing the car. Are you on the right website?
The replies to my last post seemed to concentrate on the overtaking issue
No one seemed to want to address the dedicated cycle paths question. Why is it necessary to still cycle on the road when there is a wide, dedicated cycle path beside the road? It is much safer than the road, so why not use them. Returning to the lycra lovers, I have never seen a lycra clad cyclist on the dedicated cycleway. Is it because it reduces their credibility as a 'serious cyclist'??
And what about racing on a track. You could swerve around other cyclist or ride 4 abreast in complete safety.... No potholes either!
I am also curious if any on here have any third party insurance when out cycling?
It appears that some posters on this forum spend a great deal of their time on here. There are other things to life and you could always cycle to experience them in your lycra!
Road tax. You just need to mention road tax and it'll be the full set.This website is for car enthusiasts, but some on here seem to spend a good amount of time rubbishing the car. Are you on the right website?
The replies to my last post seemed to concentrate on the overtaking issue
No one seemed to want to address the dedicated cycle paths question. Why is it necessary to still cycle on the road when there is a wide, dedicated cycle path beside the road? It is much safer than the road, so why not use them. Returning to the lycra lovers, I have never seen a lycra clad cyclist on the dedicated cycleway. Is it because it reduces their credibility as a 'serious cyclist'??
And what about racing on a track. You could swerve around other cyclist or ride 4 abreast in complete safety.... No potholes either!
I am also curious if any on here have any third party insurance when out cycling?
It appears that some posters on this forum spend a great deal of their time on here. There are other things to life and you could always cycle to experience them in your lycra!
yonex said:
Lol, is that really the best you can do to deflect that you're an inconsiderate pollock when you get begind the wheel? To a person, these threads find the motorists with the weakest set of skills and most self importance, that'll be you
Give it a rest you two it's getting tiresome to say the least.Any more out bursts and name calling and you'll be looking for other threads to post on.
Storer said:
As ever, you two wheeled pedal power maniacs rise to the bait!
This website is for car enthusiasts, but some on here seem to spend a good amount of time rubbishing the car. Are you on the right website?
The replies to my last post seemed to concentrate on the overtaking issue
No one seemed to want to address the dedicated cycle paths question. Why is it necessary to still cycle on the road when there is a wide, dedicated cycle path beside the road? It is much safer than the road, so why not use them. Returning to the lycra lovers, I have never seen a lycra clad cyclist on the dedicated cycleway. Is it because it reduces their credibility as a 'serious cyclist'??
And what about racing on a track. You could swerve around other cyclist or ride 4 abreast in complete safety.... No potholes either!
I am also curious if any on here have any third party insurance when out cycling?
It appears that some posters on this forum spend a great deal of their time on here. There are other things to life and you could always cycle to experience them in your lycra!
We're all petrol heads on here too, it's just that some of us also cycle so we can see both sides of the coin.This website is for car enthusiasts, but some on here seem to spend a good amount of time rubbishing the car. Are you on the right website?
The replies to my last post seemed to concentrate on the overtaking issue
No one seemed to want to address the dedicated cycle paths question. Why is it necessary to still cycle on the road when there is a wide, dedicated cycle path beside the road? It is much safer than the road, so why not use them. Returning to the lycra lovers, I have never seen a lycra clad cyclist on the dedicated cycleway. Is it because it reduces their credibility as a 'serious cyclist'??
And what about racing on a track. You could swerve around other cyclist or ride 4 abreast in complete safety.... No potholes either!
I am also curious if any on here have any third party insurance when out cycling?
It appears that some posters on this forum spend a great deal of their time on here. There are other things to life and you could always cycle to experience them in your lycra!
Conscript said:
When I was learning to drive, it was quite clear to me that the public highway was for the fair use of all,
Yes, fair use.Edited by Conscript on Tuesday 23 August 14:20
Making someone sit behind you at 15-20mph when they could be making progress isn't really "fair use".
Fair use implies that all parties can use the road in the manner that their vehicle is intended. If one is impeding the other i.e. cyclists obstructing cars from making progress then all fair use has gone out the window and it's all now one sided. In favour of the slower vehicle.
krarkol said:
Conscript said:
When I was learning to drive, it was quite clear to me that the public highway was for the fair use of all,
Yes, fair use.Edited by Conscript on Tuesday 23 August 14:20
Making someone sit behind you at 15-20mph when they could be making progress isn't really "fair use".
Fair use implies that all parties can use the road in the manner that their vehicle is intended. If one is impeding the other i.e. cyclists obstructing cars from making progress then all fair use has gone out the window and it's all now one sided. In favour of the slower vehicle.
krarkol said:
Yes, fair use.
Making someone sit behind you at 15-20mph when they could be making progress isn't really "fair use".
Fair use implies that all parties can use the road in the manner that their vehicle is intended. If one is impeding the other i.e. cyclists obstructing cars from making progress then all fair use has gone out the window and it's all now one sided. In favour of the slower vehicle.
Is blocking the roads off twice daily fair use? Is joining an m'way when it's already full fair use? Is joining an m'way when you know you're contributing to it going from a free flowing road into a crawling one fair use?Making someone sit behind you at 15-20mph when they could be making progress isn't really "fair use".
Fair use implies that all parties can use the road in the manner that their vehicle is intended. If one is impeding the other i.e. cyclists obstructing cars from making progress then all fair use has gone out the window and it's all now one sided. In favour of the slower vehicle.
Would you say cyclists cause one millionth of the delays we drivers do or is our share far greater?
Car drivers complaining about delays caused by others surely doesn't get any more hypocritical?
Edited by heebeegeetee on Wednesday 24th August 10:36
Storer said:
As ever, you two wheeled pedal power maniacs rise to the bait!
This website is for car enthusiasts, but some on here seem to spend a good amount of time rubbishing the car. Are you on the right website?
You do realise that 'car enthusiasts' and cyclists are not mutually exclusive?This website is for car enthusiasts, but some on here seem to spend a good amount of time rubbishing the car. Are you on the right website?
Storer said:
No one seemed to want to address the dedicated cycle paths question. Why is it necessary to still cycle on the road when there is a wide, dedicated cycle path beside the road? It is much safer than the road, so why not use them.
There are countless examples on multiple threads regarding cycle paths. A brief overview as to why they are a bad idea (generally) are; litter, pedestrians, junctions, crazy routing, lack of.Storer said:
Returning to the lycra lovers, I have never seen a lycra clad cyclist on the dedicated cycleway. Is it because it reduces their credibility as a 'serious cyclist'??
See above.Storer said:
And what about racing on a track. You could swerve around other cyclist or ride 4 abreast in complete safety.... No potholes either!
Racing takes place on many circuits, Rockingham, Brands Hatch, Silverstone, Thruxton, Castle Coombe etc.Storer said:
I am also curious if any on here have any third party insurance when out cycling?
Some do, if you are a member of BC (Silver and above) you have their TPL, members of clubs etc will be affiliated. Storer said:
It appears that some posters on this forum spend a great deal of their time on here. There are other things to life and you could always cycle to experience them in your lycra!
Why does cycling pose such a problem to 'petrol heads'? Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 24th August 13:08
spookly said:
That's the thing knob head, it isn't just me. There are plenty of people who get annoyed by it.
That's why some of them overtake you aggressively/dangerously. I don't do that, but I can see why they are also annoyed.
Ps. You know you look very camp in your lycra don't you?
Plenty of drivers get annoyed by lots of thing, generally anything that holds them up. The thing is though, as a driver, what holds me up more than anything else is other cars and the congestion caused by motor vehicles, not cyclists, Tractors or any other slow moving vehicle. That's why some of them overtake you aggressively/dangerously. I don't do that, but I can see why they are also annoyed.
Ps. You know you look very camp in your lycra don't you?
I imagine a lot of the people who are getting so annoyed are doing so because they are actualy stressed about other things, such as the length of time they spend on the commute in general, the fact that they are running late, or that they haven't left long enough for the drive to get to where they want to be.
I suspect that cyclists, especially those in proper cycling clothing, are just the scapegoat for this stress. After all if you're not a cyclist and you wouldn't dream of wearing lycra then it's easy to appy a negative stereotype to them as you are able to distance yourself. It's the same mentality that applies a negative stereotype to the drivers if cars that we wouldn't choose to buy ourselves. More importantly it says something about you but very little about those you are stereotyping.
As to what you think people look like in Lycra, so what?
heebeegeetee said:
Would you say cyclists cause one millionth of the delays we drivers do or is our share far greater?
Who is "our" in the above sentence; cyclists or drivers? Cyclists frequently cause significant congestion in my area, especially when it's a bus that's crawling along behind them with no chance at all of getting past safely. The effects last long after the cyclist has gone.Mr2Mike said:
heebeegeetee said:
Would you say cyclists cause one millionth of the delays we drivers do or is our share far greater?
Who is "our" in the above sentence; cyclists or drivers? Cyclists frequently cause significant congestion in my area, especially when it's a bus that's crawling along behind them with no chance at all of getting past safely. The effects last long after the cyclist has gone.
Brilliant, now we're getting blamed for congestion even when we're not there.
Antony Moxey said:
Why is making you slow down for a bit either impeding your progress or not fair use? The way you put it implies that anything that wants to go faster than something slower - whether that be a cyclist, tractor, caravan, HGV, Doris bimbling her way to the shops - is making the more important journey.
Solo cyclists aren't typically a problem, I don't mind slowing down a bit for the odd one.What I don't like is slowing down for an ignorant group or a solo cyclist every few hundred yards.
Yeah, they're easy to pass, but what if I've caught up with a line of traffic because an old biddy/learner driver doesn't have the balls to overtake? Yeah, they're part of the problem, but the cyclist was the instigator. How hard is it to think "if I cycle on this road, chances are people will be stuck behind me and that can cause conflicts" but instead you are thinking "It's my hobby and I've got every right to be here". Not exactly the thoughts of someone with good self-preservation really is it?
It's nothing to do with who's journey is more important. I could be driving on that road for leisure aswell as the cyclist, but I can't enjoy myself when I'm slowing down to 20mph or less every minute or 2.
My dad's a cyclist. He sticks to routes with minimal cars when he's doing it for leiusre and when he cycles to work, he uses a cycle path and mentions that many others choose to still ride on the road which he thinks is odd.
Cyclists have way more options of places to cycle, without any additional costs.
A car on the other hand, you either pay money to use a race track or you have the road.
Also, around here there is a pretty busy country area with some excellent roads, probably used for around half a century by motorcyclists. Recently, every summer they do a cycling race on open public roads. Why is that even allowed? Surely racing on the public highway is illegal? If it's "fair use" surely I could host my own car racing event on the same open public roads?
Honestly, this thread just shows the typical attitudes of cyclists, everyone who is inconvenienced and speaks out is "the bad guy"
I want to do the speed limit of a road on a nice country road and you're ruining that. Yes there are other road users that impede my progress, but they aren't slowing me down as much.
Yes, I do have to slow down for people to cross [b] in a residential area/b] where I expect I have to slow down for pedestrians.
If the law changed and allowed you to use these electric assisted bikes that can do 30-40mph. I can guarantee you'd have less issues off people.
For now, you are the slowest vehicle in the way and you made the choice to be there, unlike a tractor or HGV, which is performing a job. I still get annoyed but not at the driver as he's just doing his job at the end of the day. So until you realise that it is in fact you being selfish, don't cry when people get mad.
Someone mentioned horses don't get the same flack.
I dislike them on the road just as much tbh. I just don't encounter them as much. It's just as irritating when I've slowed to a crawl and they are still waving me to slow down because their horse is unsettled. If it's scared, don't ride it on the road.
Can people not see how simple the solution actually is?
Also, why can mountain bikes go on off-road trails yet a off-road only motorcycle can't? Surely it's the same thing with the only difference being one is powered by internal combustion.
Throughout my time riding motorcycles and driving cars, I hear the phrase "use common sense" a lot, yet when it comes to riding an animal or a 2 wheeled contraption with half inch wide wheels on a bad road surface, common sense goes out the window and instead the argument goes more towards "we've got the right to be here"
I've got the right to express free speech and upset certain communities, nobody in their right mind would advise it though would they.
I should mention, when on the road and I encounter either cyclists or horse riders, I will treat them with courtesy and give them a wide berth even if I am tutting and moaning to myself. It doesn't mean I'm happy with it though.
Use common sense
Edited by krarkol on Wednesday 24th August 18:00
WinstonWolf said:
Ergo something else is causing it
Brilliant, now we're getting blamed for congestion even when we're not there.
Read again, sounds like your brains have been mashed into the saddle a bit too much.Brilliant, now we're getting blamed for congestion even when we're not there.
On narrow, busy urban roads some cyclists hold up traffic and cause congestion. The problem is worse when they hold up buses since buses have no way of overtaking safely. The considerable build up traffic this causes at peaks times does not magically vanish when the cyclist decides to let traffic past, or when traffic reaches a wider section of road, so this one act of selfishness causes congestion on the road for a considerable period.
Mr2Mike said:
WinstonWolf said:
Ergo something else is causing it
Brilliant, now we're getting blamed for congestion even when we're not there.
Read again, sounds like your brains have been mashed into the saddle a bit too much.Brilliant, now we're getting blamed for congestion even when we're not there.
On narrow, busy urban roads cyclists hold up traffic and cause congestion. The problem is worse when they hold up buses since buses have no way of overtaking safely. The considerable build up traffic this causes at peaks times does not magically vanish when the cyclist decides to let traffic past, or when traffic reaches a wider section of road, so this one act of selfishness causes congestion on the road for a considerable period.
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