Why you should give cyclists a wide berth when passing.
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Storer said:
My comments are clearly falling on deaf ears here.
Your desire to continue to enjoy your lycra clad hobby (there must be some element of fetish involved here!) seem to over rule the element of common sense and personal risk prevention.
I am not sure of the abrasive, shock absorbing qualities of lycra as you are sliding along the tarmac, but I am sure you would wear something that offered maximum protection in the event of an accident! You would want to be as safe a possible, yes.
Look out for your own safety and use our overcrowded road network accordingly. If there is a cycle way, use it. Don't be too proud.
I think my work is done here, so this is my last post on this thread.
Why hasn't your toy got airbags and ABS?Your desire to continue to enjoy your lycra clad hobby (there must be some element of fetish involved here!) seem to over rule the element of common sense and personal risk prevention.
I am not sure of the abrasive, shock absorbing qualities of lycra as you are sliding along the tarmac, but I am sure you would wear something that offered maximum protection in the event of an accident! You would want to be as safe a possible, yes.
Look out for your own safety and use our overcrowded road network accordingly. If there is a cycle way, use it. Don't be too proud.
I think my work is done here, so this is my last post on this thread.
Storer said:
My comments are clearly falling on deaf ears here.
Your desire to continue to enjoy your lycra clad hobby (there must be some element of fetish involved here!) seem to over rule the element of common sense and personal risk prevention.
I am not sure of the abrasive, shock absorbing qualities of lycra as you are sliding along the tarmac, but I am sure you would wear something that offered maximum protection in the event of an accident! You would want to be as safe a possible, yes.
Look out for your own safety and use our overcrowded road network accordingly. If there is a cycle way, use it. Don't be too proud.
I think my work is done here, so this is my last post on this thread.
Oh do sod off. Rub wheels with me and anyone on a trackday and see what happens, I guess you do this as you're not good enough to race, God I HATE muppets slowing me down in my sessions, hobbyists, outrage, etc. This anti cycling sentiment is so boring. You are solely concerned with yourself and not prepared to give any thought to others. Your desire to continue to enjoy your lycra clad hobby (there must be some element of fetish involved here!) seem to over rule the element of common sense and personal risk prevention.
I am not sure of the abrasive, shock absorbing qualities of lycra as you are sliding along the tarmac, but I am sure you would wear something that offered maximum protection in the event of an accident! You would want to be as safe a possible, yes.
Look out for your own safety and use our overcrowded road network accordingly. If there is a cycle way, use it. Don't be too proud.
I think my work is done here, so this is my last post on this thread.
Storer said:
My comments are clearly falling on deaf ears here.
No, you've effectively identified yourself as a complete twunt.Storer said:
I think my work is done here, so this is my last post on this thread.
Yes, if your work was to come across as a twunt.Bye, don't forget to close the door on your way out.
ambuletz said:
spookly said:
ambuletz said:
delayed by how much though? 5seconds? are they doing a time trial on public roads?
I have seen a full on organised race with 100 or more cyclists going up cheddar gorge with the road not being closed off, and cyclists trying to weave in and out of traffic. They were within inches of my wing mirrors overtaking, and I was only going slowly because of their mates crawling up the hill. To say they were endangering themselves would be an understatement, I was surprised none of them were flattened.Although that is the worst I have seen, and I haven't seen that happen again in the same place.
But round this way on a weekend I'd bet you couldn't go more than a mile or two without finding a pack of 3 or more cycling together.
Yeah childish I know, but so is a large group of adults taking up the whole road, with absolutely no consideration for anyone else who is trying to get from A to B. There was a large tail back of cars from people afraid to over take the group of testosterone charlies. It really becomes frustrating and in my opinion damn arrogant.
If they were going to work, visiting mates, going to the shops etc, yeah no problem. But this is not the case they are doing a hobby/sport which inconveniences others. They know it inconveniences others. It's got a bit out of hand and the popularity of the hobby/sport makes this a more common problem. You notice the word- problem.
...When I were a kid... you risked your life on the open road, you kept near the verge, pavement to let traffic past safely, you gave motorists priority as you were the vulnerable one.
It's obviously not like this now but everyone really should make compromises to keep things flowing. Travelling in packs is not this. Even two a breast is dangerous. Leave a safe gap between the bikes if you are in two, use your iphone 6s and bluetooth if you want to chat.
Just my opinion. Not much different than a group of dog walkers taking up the whole lane. Probably totally legal but f
king stupid. As someone who pretty much uses all modes of transport (except a motorcycle, nothing personal, just don't have a use for one) I'd estimate that 5% of people are complete wkers.
5% of people walking on pavements don't look where they're going, push or stare at iPhones.
5% of cyclists are over aggressive and don't bother with pedestrian crossings.
5% of train users feel the need to sit with their legs spread open like they have a bk condition.
5% of people in cars drive like they should be the sole user on the roads and everyone should move out of there way.
95% of people travelling in normal life are fine. 5% are absolutes. A large number on here would do well to try and fall into the first group. It's not that hard.
kers.5% of people walking on pavements don't look where they're going, push or stare at iPhones.
5% of cyclists are over aggressive and don't bother with pedestrian crossings.
5% of train users feel the need to sit with their legs spread open like they have a b
k condition.5% of people in cars drive like they should be the sole user on the roads and everyone should move out of there way.
95% of people travelling in normal life are fine. 5% are absolute
s. A large number on here would do well to try and fall into the first group. It's not that hard.Someone needs to move this thread to- http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?h=0&a...
deltashad said:
I once gave a 'Squirt' of washer fluid, the squishers on my integrale don't point in the right direction very often due to cheap Italian build quality.
Yeah childish I know, but so is a large group of adults taking up the whole road, with absolutely no consideration for anyone else who is trying to get from A to B. There was a large tail back of cars from people afraid to over take the group of testosterone charlies. It really becomes frustrating and in my opinion damn arrogant.
If they were going to work, visiting mates, going to the shops etc, yeah no problem. But this is not the case they are doing a hobby/sport which inconveniences others. They know it inconveniences others. It's got a bit out of hand and the popularity of the hobby/sport makes this a more common problem. You notice the word- problem.
...When I were a kid... you risked your life on the open road, you kept near the verge, pavement to let traffic past safely, you gave motorists priority as you were the vulnerable one.
It's obviously not like this now but everyone really should make compromises to keep things flowing. Travelling in packs is not this. Even two a breast is dangerous. Leave a safe gap between the bikes if you are in two, use your iphone 6s and bluetooth if you want to chat.
Just my opinion. Not much different than a group of dog walkers taking up the whole lane. Probably totally legal but fking stupid.
And the full house of anti-cyclists is complete.Yeah childish I know, but so is a large group of adults taking up the whole road, with absolutely no consideration for anyone else who is trying to get from A to B. There was a large tail back of cars from people afraid to over take the group of testosterone charlies. It really becomes frustrating and in my opinion damn arrogant.
If they were going to work, visiting mates, going to the shops etc, yeah no problem. But this is not the case they are doing a hobby/sport which inconveniences others. They know it inconveniences others. It's got a bit out of hand and the popularity of the hobby/sport makes this a more common problem. You notice the word- problem.
...When I were a kid... you risked your life on the open road, you kept near the verge, pavement to let traffic past safely, you gave motorists priority as you were the vulnerable one.
It's obviously not like this now but everyone really should make compromises to keep things flowing. Travelling in packs is not this. Even two a breast is dangerous. Leave a safe gap between the bikes if you are in two, use your iphone 6s and bluetooth if you want to chat.
Just my opinion. Not much different than a group of dog walkers taking up the whole lane. Probably totally legal but f
king stupid. A gap in a group, invites cars in, this then elongates the group which makes matters worse. Shall we get a wee form together and get it countersigned by you to make sure that our right to use the road is countersigned by someone who is obviously top of the tree.
'It's got a bit out of hand' lol, like firing screenwash at cyclists, how very brave of you.
Storer said:
My comments are clearly falling on deaf ears here.
Your desire to continue to enjoy your lycra clad hobby (there must be some element of fetish involved here!) seem to over rule the element of common sense and personal risk prevention.
I am not sure of the abrasive, shock absorbing qualities of lycra as you are sliding along the tarmac, but I am sure you would wear something that offered maximum protection in the event of an accident! You would want to be as safe a possible, yes.
Look out for your own safety and use our overcrowded road network accordingly. If there is a cycle way, use it. Don't be too proud.
I think my work is done here, so this is my last post on this thread.
Thanks for all your work, it's noble that someone who hasn't sat on a bike, or indeed has the first clue about it, is able to come and educate all of the cyclists on here as to how to go about something they may well do daily.Your desire to continue to enjoy your lycra clad hobby (there must be some element of fetish involved here!) seem to over rule the element of common sense and personal risk prevention.
I am not sure of the abrasive, shock absorbing qualities of lycra as you are sliding along the tarmac, but I am sure you would wear something that offered maximum protection in the event of an accident! You would want to be as safe a possible, yes.
Look out for your own safety and use our overcrowded road network accordingly. If there is a cycle way, use it. Don't be too proud.
I think my work is done here, so this is my last post on this thread.
There's a mother of three over there who needs some birthing tips, now off you f
k...
Storer said:
So it is your ability to travel at speed that prevents you using the cycle path!
If the government are going to spend substantial sums of money on these safer cycle ways there must be a penalty or abdication of responsibility.
If there is a cycle path then ALL cyclist should be compelled to use them. If they choose to use the road then any accident involving a cyclist should be seen as 'caused by the cyclist' leaving him open to claims for compensation.
We have seen a massive increase in cycling for pleasure and a similar increase in the 'cycle trials' on road racing. 26 years ago when I moved to where I live we never had road races in the area. Now groups of cyclists are a daily sight. Singles and pairs are almost 10 a penny.
The situation has changed but there has not been a reduction in traffic. It has probably doubled also. If the current spending on cycle ways continues we need to 'force' all cyclists to use them. Not just the old biddies/codgers (which you will all become) to use them.
Purpose made cycle ways didn't exist here 26 years ago, even 5 years ago. Habits need to be changed and judging by the comments on here the only way is by using a 'stick'.
No, as ever your post is full of nonsense from start to finish.If the government are going to spend substantial sums of money on these safer cycle ways there must be a penalty or abdication of responsibility.
If there is a cycle path then ALL cyclist should be compelled to use them. If they choose to use the road then any accident involving a cyclist should be seen as 'caused by the cyclist' leaving him open to claims for compensation.
We have seen a massive increase in cycling for pleasure and a similar increase in the 'cycle trials' on road racing. 26 years ago when I moved to where I live we never had road races in the area. Now groups of cyclists are a daily sight. Singles and pairs are almost 10 a penny.
The situation has changed but there has not been a reduction in traffic. It has probably doubled also. If the current spending on cycle ways continues we need to 'force' all cyclists to use them. Not just the old biddies/codgers (which you will all become) to use them.
Purpose made cycle ways didn't exist here 26 years ago, even 5 years ago. Habits need to be changed and judging by the comments on here the only way is by using a 'stick'.
The government wastes no end of money on cycle paths that are unfit for purpose, and that is why they are relatively unused. Also, as I repeatedly say, the cyclist is no different from any other road user, and will use the method that suits him or her best irrespective of the effect on others, *exactly* like every single other road user not the least us motorists. This expectation of others to behave differently/ better than us is just bizarre.
You talk about a massive increase in cycling numbers but its still a tiny fraction of the numbers of cyclists on the continent. I see cyclists out on rural roads on Sundays but its still a fraction of the numbers I've seen abroad 20 and 30 year ago.
Speaking of the continent, I'm not a cyclist, but as a driver with a pair of eyes I reckon the differences in the cyle lans of the uk are clearly completely different from those on the continent - the difference is all but total, and that's why they're not being used much here.
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Listen guys, all you who are so bothered about the "congestion" caused by cyclists: if the congestion they are causing is so important, then the congestion we are causing must be equally so. Cyclists don't cause journey times to increase by 10, 20, 50, 100, or 200% like we cause them too, so instead of blaming other people for inconsequential levels of "congestion", what are you going to do about the congestion you contribute to? Anyone putting a car on the road between the hours of 0700-1900 is a part of a massive, massive problem, a problem far greater than anything any cyclists cause - literally like comparing a drop to an ocean. This expectation that others should do something before you is just sheer breathtaking hypocrisy.
If you ask what am I going to do? Answer: Nothing. But then I'm not blaming anyone else. I know I am contributing to a massive problem; I know I an doing what suits me best just like everyone else; I know that cyclists are all but inconsequential, and that the idea that doing anything about them would be absolutely absurd. I also know that what we are doing will have to come to an end one day because it is completely unsustainable, I'm just glad that I reckon I won't be around when it does all come to an end (and we possibly all have to get on our bikes).
Another ask: Quantify it. I've asked before and got no answer so I'll try again. This congestion caused by cyclists, how much time per annum do you reckon it costs you?
I've had a good long think about what it's cost me. I like driving, I have driven for pleasure extensively and I've driven for a living. next year will be my 40th year of driving and I began driving for pleasure - going off on my own for a few hours on a Sunday - right from the off. I've 'driven rural' extensively, I think it's fair to say.
Naturally I've been delayed by cyclists, but I'm struggling to think that those delays have amounted to a total of 5 minutes in 39 years.
We used to get a lot of anti-hgv threads on this site, they seem to have all but disappeared now for whatever reason. Delays caused by hgvs was a popular topic and I used to be able to quantify mine at something like a couple of minutes per year absolute tops. Which is substantially more than 5 minutes in 39 years but still not alength of time I'm going to worry about.
So, how much time do I think car traffic has cost me in 39 years? Well I reckon it's getting on for incalculable. I mean, I'm inclined to think that's it's between 2/3rds -1 hour every working day, then delays at weekends vary. Probably rarely much less than that, usually much more.
But it adds up tremendously. What if I said 30mins x 365 x 39 / 60 = 7,117.5 hours? Which divided by 24 = 296.5 days of my life?
Compared to 5 minutes delay by cyclists?
Given that I am that traffic also though, then that gives an idea of the time I am costing other people.
But is this the sort of ratio you guys are talking of? As I said, literally comparing a drop to an ocean?
Come on though guys, give us a figure, give us an annual amount of time per annum that you reckon cyclist "congestion" is costing you, please?
CampDavid said:
As someone who pretty much uses all modes of transport (except a motorcycle, nothing personal, just don't have a use for one) I'd estimate that 5% of people are complete wkers.
5% of people walking on pavements don't look where they're going, push or stare at iPhones.
5% of cyclists are over aggressive and don't bother with pedestrian crossings.
5% of train users feel the need to sit with their legs spread open like they have a bk condition.
5% of people in cars drive like they should be the sole user on the roads and everyone should move out of there way.
95% of people travelling in normal life are fine. 5% are absolutes. A large number on here would do well to try and fall into the first group. It's not that hard.
Surely it is 80% of people travelling in normal life are fine?...kers.5% of people walking on pavements don't look where they're going, push or stare at iPhones.
5% of cyclists are over aggressive and don't bother with pedestrian crossings.
5% of train users feel the need to sit with their legs spread open like they have a b
k condition.5% of people in cars drive like they should be the sole user on the roads and everyone should move out of there way.
95% of people travelling in normal life are fine. 5% are absolute
s. A large number on here would do well to try and fall into the first group. It's not that hard.Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
Sorry to break this to you sunshine, the only stick is going to be against our cars, not bicycles.
Mountain bikes and hybrids are OK on cycle paths, ROAD bikes are for use on the roads.
Surely mountain bikes must then be made for mountains? Mountain bikes and hybrids are OK on cycle paths, ROAD bikes are for use on the roads.
WinstonWolf said:
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
Sorry to break this to you sunshine, the only stick is going to be against our cars, not bicycles.
Mountain bikes and hybrids are OK on cycle paths, ROAD bikes are for use on the roads.
Surely mountain bikes must then be made for mountains? Mountain bikes and hybrids are OK on cycle paths, ROAD bikes are for use on the roads.
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