GAP insurance pondering

GAP insurance pondering

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Sheepshanks

32,752 posts

119 months

Friday 19th August 2016
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seders said:
The job I do entails dealing with many total losses per week and I'd say only 50% of them have GAP.
I'm amazed it's that high. Wonder if that'll drop now it's a bit more awkward for dealers to sell it?

Jammed08

8 posts

90 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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I took my policy with Total Loss Gap for my own car,on a PCP, in July.It was the highest level of protection I could find without being the most expensive option.I was advised of this when I phoned their office.I have just taken a policy for the other half's Contract Hire BMW over two years.All they ask for is the monthly payment and the term.It was only £99 with the down payment of up to £3,000 protected.

slk 32

1,487 posts

193 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Parents bought a brand new fully loaded mazda 3 for 23k in 2014

Spool on to 2016 and they are t boned at a junction by a woman in a 15 year old 307.

Third party insurer paid out market value (15k) and GAP paid out just under 9k allowing them to replace with new car



nottyash

4,670 posts

195 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Any decent car insurance policy will provide you with a new car in the first year.
Gap covers the difference between what your insurance pays and what you owe. I. Pretty sure after a year it won't be anything.

Also, I shop around for my new cars. Recently finding £6000 off the price of a new Golf R. The dealer still insisted I needed GAP, even though he had 2 year old ones on his forecourt for similar to me buying new.

There are instances it's worthwhile but 95 ℅ of the time it's selling you something you don't need

nottyash

4,670 posts

195 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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slk 32 said:
Parents bought a brand new fully loaded mazda 3 for 23k in 2014

Spool on to 2016 and they are t boned at a junction by a woman in a 15 year old 307.

Third party insurer paid out market value (15k) and GAP paid out just under 9k allowing them to replace with new car
How did your parents owe £2000 more than 2 years previous when they bought it?
Mazda 3 are known to depreciation so you were lucky with £15k, because on auto trader you won't pay more than £9k for a 2014 model.
What's the 3rd party insurance? Your entitled to everything back in a non fault claim. It's irrelevant if the person who hits you is only 3rd party insurance, it means your covered.


93DW

1,286 posts

103 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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A case that sticks in my mind is a customer who bought a car from me through sub-prime finance (around 19% flat if memory serves) and 18 months in to it he was t-boned. Insurance company valued the car at £6000 and he still owed the finance company £8500. GAP paid off his outstanding finance straight away so he didn't have to find £2500 to pay off a smashed up car! As someone in the trade GAP is something I always recommend on cars up to 2yrs old

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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nottyash said:
There are instances it's worthwhile but 95 ? of the time it's selling you something you don't need
well that's pretty much any insurance, it's only "of value" when things go wrong and you make a claim

i believe dealers are obligated to offer GAP on new cars by the government, and they earn on it of course wink




silentbrown

8,827 posts

116 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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nottyash said:
How did your parents owe £2000 more than 2 years previous when they bought it?
Mazda 3 are known to depreciation so you were lucky with £15k, because on auto trader you won't pay more than £9k for a 2014 model.
What's the 3rd party insurance? Your entitled to everything back in a non fault claim. It's irrelevant if the person who hits you is only 3rd party insurance, it means your covered.
You're confused about Gap insurance. There are many different kinds.

Finance Gap (just covers finance shortfall)
Return To Invoice Gap (Would have paid £23K - £15K in this case)
Vehicle Replacement Gap (which poster above obviously had)

silentbrown

8,827 posts

116 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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nottyash said:
Mazda 3 are known to depreciation so you were lucky with £15k, because on auto trader you won't pay more than £9k for a 2014 model.
I'd guess this happened earlier in the year and 2014 car prices will have dropped since, but even so you're completely wrong.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=price-...


JQ

5,741 posts

179 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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nottyash said:
Any decent car insurance policy will provide you with a new car in the first year.
That's only if you claim off your own insurance policy. If your car being written off is the fault of a third party their insurer will only pay you market value.

ILoveMondeo

9,614 posts

226 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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If you go via a 3rd party (ALA as has been mentioned), it's peanuts for a return to invoice policy and in my mind worth it for peace of mind.

Removes any wrangling over a payout from an insurer, yours or a 3rd party, they'll take care of it till they are both happy and you'll get a new car/purchase price back.


nottyash

4,670 posts

195 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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JQ said:
That's only if you claim off your own insurance policy. If your car being written off is the fault of a third party their insurer will only pay you market value.
Uninsured loss recovery?
Also I always use an accident management company who fight for every out of pocket expense.

nottyash

4,670 posts

195 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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silentbrown said:
nottyash said:
How did your parents owe £2000 more than 2 years previous when they bought it?
Mazda 3 are known to depreciation so you were lucky with £15k, because on auto trader you won't pay more than £9k for a 2014 model.
What's the 3rd party insurance? Your entitled to everything back in a non fault claim. It's irrelevant if the person who hits you is only 3rd party insurance, it means your covered.
You're confused about Gap insurance. There are many different kinds.

Finance Gap (just covers finance shortfall)
Return To Invoice Gap (Would have paid £23K - £15K in this case)
Vehicle Replacement Gap (which poster above obviously had)
I bet the vehicle replacement policy was more expensive than the usual finance option most buy.

nottyash

4,670 posts

195 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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silentbrown said:
I'd guess this happened earlier in the year and 2014 car prices will have dropped since, but even so you're completely wrong.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=price-...
The link is for a Mazda 6
I don't see your point

TwigtheWonderkid

43,350 posts

150 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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JQ said:
That's only if you claim off your own insurance policy. If your car being written off is the fault of a third party their insurer will only pay you market value.
Even if it's the tp's fault you can still claim off your own policy and get the new for old option. Then your insurer can argue with the tp about recovering their outlay. If you have comp cover, you can claim directly off tp or not, whatever suits you best.

silentbrown

8,827 posts

116 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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nottyash said:
The link is for a Mazda 6
I don't see your point
Well, here's what that link shows for me. Three 2014 Mazda3's at 14995, 15000 and 16295 respectively. You won't pick up those for £9K.


Edited by silentbrown on Friday 21st October 11:09

Emeye

9,773 posts

223 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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The more I read about GAP on here, the more it blows my mind as to whether it is worth it on a lease deal.

No one seems to have been able to give a definitive answer - well, they might have, but then someone has come along to challenge it! confused

TwigtheWonderkid

43,350 posts

150 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Emeye said:
The more I read about GAP on here, the more it blows my mind as to whether it is worth it on a lease deal.

No one seems to have been able to give a definitive answer - well, they might have, but then someone has come along to challenge it! confused
There is no definitive answer. It depends on various factors. Like any insurance policy, it's worth it for some people, and not so much for others.

liner33

10,690 posts

202 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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As said for what it costs its a no brainer imo, I went with ALA for my recent purchase of a 4yr old used car, I paid for it with cash but cant afford to lose say £5k the difference from dealer retail and insurance settlement.

silentbrown

8,827 posts

116 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
There is no definitive answer. It depends on various factors. Like any insurance policy, it's worth it for some people, and not so much for others.
Indeed. Just insure against what you consider unacceptable risks. If the risk of having to find the money to pay off the difference between market value and outstanding finance is unacceptable to you, you can insure against it.

Any new-for-old insurance (e.g return-to-invoice or Vehicle Replacement gap) is really gambling. Spending the money on lottery tickets would be an equally valid. I'd guess chances of a new car being written off in any one year are about 1 in 100.