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yonex said:
DoubleD said:
Knowing what car someone has(or at least say they have)is that important to you?
It's strange to join a motoring forum and be shy about your cars. It's a bit odd TBH.I'm quite happy discussing the merits of vehicle's I've driven/riden, I'm not willing to publicise what I have in my garage to all & sundry. I find it a bit odd that people do or feel the need to, even on a motoring forum.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 23 August 22:33
vonhosen said:
PoleDriver said:
DoubleD said:
Why do you need to know what car he has?
Because that is the whole raison d'être for this forum!You're serious?
DoubleD said:
Knowing what car someone has(or at least say they have)is that important to you?
Sorry, I must be in the wrong forum! I thought this was PistonHeads, where the common interest was cars!
PoleDriver said:
vonhosen said:
PoleDriver said:
DoubleD said:
Why do you need to know what car he has?
Because that is the whole raison d'être for this forum!You're serious?
DoubleD said:
Knowing what car someone has(or at least say they have)is that important to you?
Sorry, I must be in the wrong forum! I thought this was PistonHeads, where the common interest was cars!
My name is Martin and I don't break speed limits.
There. I said it.
Of course, in my younger years I believed it made a huge difference to journey times and/or because it was an hilarious spurt of fun but I just don't believe that anymore. In situations where it could theoretically make a not insignificant difference to the journey time, it's just endless motorways and straight lines and I got bored of driving fast in a straight line a long time ago. If it was a 100 miles of motorway, that's about 1h25m at 70mph or 58m at 105mph. I just don't want to risk losing my licence to save 27 minutes. Even if you do it at 90mph, you'd only be saving less than 20 minutes for the risk of perhaps 3-6 points on your licence. It still doesn't seem worth it to me.
On my commute to work there's a section of the A1 where it's 50mph as it passes through Buckden. There are several houses on this short, 2 mile section of road as well as junctions and pavements. Every morning on the way to work and every evening on the way back from work, I'm one of the few, perhaps 5% of drivers who do 50mph rather than 70mph. The drivers doing 70mph are saving a huge 42 seconds. Again, this just doesn't seem worth the risk, more so since at least once a month the police will be sitting there with fricken' lasers strapped to their heads.
I never worry about speed traps or cameras, my fuel goes quite a long way and arrive at work pretty chilled out and relaxed. These are the things that are of benefit to me.
YMMV.
If people want to break the limits, go for it. I'm not going to lecture anyone or tell them they shouldn't, I just see it as an unnecessary, personally.
ETA: I drive a Focus ST-3 and a Honda Fireblade. Apparently that's important information.
There. I said it.
Of course, in my younger years I believed it made a huge difference to journey times and/or because it was an hilarious spurt of fun but I just don't believe that anymore. In situations where it could theoretically make a not insignificant difference to the journey time, it's just endless motorways and straight lines and I got bored of driving fast in a straight line a long time ago. If it was a 100 miles of motorway, that's about 1h25m at 70mph or 58m at 105mph. I just don't want to risk losing my licence to save 27 minutes. Even if you do it at 90mph, you'd only be saving less than 20 minutes for the risk of perhaps 3-6 points on your licence. It still doesn't seem worth it to me.
On my commute to work there's a section of the A1 where it's 50mph as it passes through Buckden. There are several houses on this short, 2 mile section of road as well as junctions and pavements. Every morning on the way to work and every evening on the way back from work, I'm one of the few, perhaps 5% of drivers who do 50mph rather than 70mph. The drivers doing 70mph are saving a huge 42 seconds. Again, this just doesn't seem worth the risk, more so since at least once a month the police will be sitting there with fricken' lasers strapped to their heads.
I never worry about speed traps or cameras, my fuel goes quite a long way and arrive at work pretty chilled out and relaxed. These are the things that are of benefit to me.
YMMV.
If people want to break the limits, go for it. I'm not going to lecture anyone or tell them they shouldn't, I just see it as an unnecessary, personally.
ETA: I drive a Focus ST-3 and a Honda Fireblade. Apparently that's important information.
Edited by Rawwr on Tuesday 23 August 23:09
PoleDriver said:
vonhosen said:
PoleDriver said:
DoubleD said:
Why do you need to know what car he has?
Because that is the whole raison d'être for this forum!You're serious?
DoubleD said:
Knowing what car someone has(or at least say they have)is that important to you?
Sorry, I must be in the wrong forum! I thought this was PistonHeads, where the common interest was cars!
Rawwr said:
I got bored of driving fast in a straight line a long time ago. If it was a 100 miles of motorway, that's about 1h25m at 70mph or 58m at 105mph. I just don't want to risk losing my licence to save 27 minutes. Even if you do it at 90mph, you'd only be saving less than 20 minutes for the risk of perhaps 3-6 points on your licence. It still doesn't seem worth it to me.
You'll find those "straight roads" are actually quite challenging at 140+ 
Unless I'm in my van I choose not to use motorways - generally driving fast is not about getting there quicker - it's about enjoying the drive.
Hence why many faster cars have come and gone and my supercharged MX5 has remained.
SuperchargedVR6 said:
I bet you are one of these drivers who has no sense of urgency about them what so ever. Takes an age to move off a green a light, sits there at a roundabout waiting for a written invitation to drive onto it, takes an age to get up to your beloved speed limits, brakes 5 miles in advance of an upcoming obstacle, sits in the outside lane doing 69mph for longer than necessary.....all the usual shat. I hate being stuck behind people like you in peak commuting times.
you missed out "instinctively brakes when seeing another car coming towards them on the other side of the road, even when the very wide, clearly marked lanes are separated by a broken white line. funkyrobot said:
Jasandjules said:
Because if they were not people would obey them.
People inherently obey laws which are appropriate, and ignore those which are not..
You really believe that?People inherently obey laws which are appropriate, and ignore those which are not..
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Section 1 states:
"Speed limits should be evidence-led and self-explaining and seek to reinforce people's assessment of what is a safe speed to travel. They should encourage self-compliance."
Section 19 states:
"Unless a speed limit is set with support from the local community, the police and other local services, with supporting education, and with consideration of whether engineering measures are necessary to reduce speeds; or if it is set unrealistically low for the particular road function and condition, it may be ineffective and drivers may not comply with the speed limit."
Section 26 states:
"Where there is poor compliance with an existing speed limit on a road or stretch of road the reasons for the non-compliance should be examined before a solution is sought. If the speed limit is set too low for no clear reason and the risk of collisions is low, then it may be appropriate to increase the limit."
Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 24th August 19:39
Moonhawk, i spent 2 years reading those policies to get our village limit reduced!
Thats the main issue - the signed limit should reflect the natural apparent limit of the road design. Everyone know's you need to keep it down in the old village high street with the school etc.
But as roads get widened and straightened to increase traffic flow so the apparent limit goes up while the signed limit stays the same. So you get more non-compliance by human nature. The speeders aren't bad people they are just caught out by a posted limit that doesnt match the road engineering and layout.
The 85th to 90th percentile speed is statistically proven to be the safest speed to travel at on any given road regardless of the actual speed limit because that is the speed range occupied by the most competent, confident and safe drivers.
On a UK motorway this happens to be about85-90mph being the safest and lowest accident speed to travel. The 70 limit being an arbitrary figure dreamed up in 1965! So ticketing someone at 85 on a motorway is penalising the safest driver.
Thats the main issue - the signed limit should reflect the natural apparent limit of the road design. Everyone know's you need to keep it down in the old village high street with the school etc.
But as roads get widened and straightened to increase traffic flow so the apparent limit goes up while the signed limit stays the same. So you get more non-compliance by human nature. The speeders aren't bad people they are just caught out by a posted limit that doesnt match the road engineering and layout.
The 85th to 90th percentile speed is statistically proven to be the safest speed to travel at on any given road regardless of the actual speed limit because that is the speed range occupied by the most competent, confident and safe drivers.
On a UK motorway this happens to be about85-90mph being the safest and lowest accident speed to travel. The 70 limit being an arbitrary figure dreamed up in 1965! So ticketing someone at 85 on a motorway is penalising the safest driver.
Edited by mikeN54 on Wednesday 24th August 21:58
funkyrobot said:
Why do people speed?
Legal limits are just that. Limits. Regardless of whether or not the limit is correct, it's still the maximum possible speed you are allowed to drive at.
Think about it. Nobody likes getting caught speeding and I'm yet to meet anyone who likes camera vans and speed cameras. Yet people keep doing it, keep getting caught, keep totting up the figures for the partnerships and keep adding to the justification for more and more cameras and automated systems. People who speed actually keep the anti-speed establishments alive.
It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
Vehicles are far more advanced and safe than when the speed limits were originally introduced. However, the human body hasn't evolved much further and is still a big sack of meat that doesn't like sudden deceleration, or being hit by a tonne of metal doing any sort of speed. This is where the problem lies, I think. Sat in a comfy, air conditioned and peaceful modern vehicle, 50 mph along a residential road may seem like nothing. Yet to a pedestrian, a cyclist or anyone else at the roadside, it's still fast.
As this is a motoring site, I can understand the thrill a good blast in a motor vehicle can provide. However, thrills can be had without having to put others at risk. So, to anyone who thinks that driving really fast along a residential road is great fun and shows what a huge sausage they have, you are wrong. You are a muppet and I hope one day the extra speed you carry doesn't result in an injury or a death. Also, the morons who whizz along the motorways well above the speed limit. Just think about what would happen if something went wrong. Sudden deflation of a tyre or hitting a patch of water isn't fun at 70 mph, but it could be even worse at 100 mph. Of course, morons will be morons and you will always get idiots driving like idiots. But why people who aren't morons do it?
There is so much more to bad driving than speed alone. However, speed is one of the easiest things to measure. It's much easier to catch someone doing >10mph over the speed limit than someone tailgating. It's also one of the easiest things to control from the driver's seat. Yet many, many people still do it and play right into the hands of the local partnerships.
It's got to a point now where someone like me (who sticks to limits) is regularly hounded, tailgated, abused and made to feel like a piece of s
t on the road. It isn't because I drive slowly and doddle around as I like to crack on as much as any PH'er. However, my cracking on stops at the limit of the road or a limit I feel safe at if conditions don't warrant doing the limit. To some, that is like me asking to bum their wife or daughter.
I just don't get it. My humble opinion, of course.
I'm driving 30 in a 30, then 140+ on the autobahn - I understand what you mean about speed for the situation and yes I agree about residential areas. A lot of the UK motorways are also very poor, when I come back I often think 80 is more than enough. Coupled with the complete lack of driving awareness (road conditions, dangers by the road, tailgating).Legal limits are just that. Limits. Regardless of whether or not the limit is correct, it's still the maximum possible speed you are allowed to drive at.
Think about it. Nobody likes getting caught speeding and I'm yet to meet anyone who likes camera vans and speed cameras. Yet people keep doing it, keep getting caught, keep totting up the figures for the partnerships and keep adding to the justification for more and more cameras and automated systems. People who speed actually keep the anti-speed establishments alive.
It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
Vehicles are far more advanced and safe than when the speed limits were originally introduced. However, the human body hasn't evolved much further and is still a big sack of meat that doesn't like sudden deceleration, or being hit by a tonne of metal doing any sort of speed. This is where the problem lies, I think. Sat in a comfy, air conditioned and peaceful modern vehicle, 50 mph along a residential road may seem like nothing. Yet to a pedestrian, a cyclist or anyone else at the roadside, it's still fast.
As this is a motoring site, I can understand the thrill a good blast in a motor vehicle can provide. However, thrills can be had without having to put others at risk. So, to anyone who thinks that driving really fast along a residential road is great fun and shows what a huge sausage they have, you are wrong. You are a muppet and I hope one day the extra speed you carry doesn't result in an injury or a death. Also, the morons who whizz along the motorways well above the speed limit. Just think about what would happen if something went wrong. Sudden deflation of a tyre or hitting a patch of water isn't fun at 70 mph, but it could be even worse at 100 mph. Of course, morons will be morons and you will always get idiots driving like idiots. But why people who aren't morons do it?
There is so much more to bad driving than speed alone. However, speed is one of the easiest things to measure. It's much easier to catch someone doing >10mph over the speed limit than someone tailgating. It's also one of the easiest things to control from the driver's seat. Yet many, many people still do it and play right into the hands of the local partnerships.
It's got to a point now where someone like me (who sticks to limits) is regularly hounded, tailgated, abused and made to feel like a piece of s
t on the road. It isn't because I drive slowly and doddle around as I like to crack on as much as any PH'er. However, my cracking on stops at the limit of the road or a limit I feel safe at if conditions don't warrant doing the limit. To some, that is like me asking to bum their wife or daughter.I just don't get it. My humble opinion, of course.
But, safety is based on equipment and conditions, not speed.
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