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funkyrobot said:
Why do people speed?
Don't know, ask the OP of this thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...funkyrobot said:
Legal limits are just that. Limits. Regardless of whether or not the limit is correct, it's still the maximum possible speed you are allowed to drive at.
What made the OP of the thread above exceed the maximum speed he was allowed to drive at?funkyrobot said:
Think about it. Nobody likes getting caught speeding and I'm yet to meet anyone who likes camera vans and speed cameras. Yet people keep doing it, keep getting caught, keep totting up the figures for the partnerships and keep adding to the justification for more and more cameras and automated systems. People who speed actually keep the anti-speed establishments alive.
It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
So much so that people come on to a motoring forum to ask others whether they think they'll get a NIP through the post as they had been speeding in a 30 limit...... OP are you far too stupid to understand why they are in place? Why did you not abide by the limit?It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
funkyrobot said:
As this is a motoring site, I can understand the thrill a good blast in a motor vehicle can provide. However, thrills can be had without having to put others at risk. So, to anyone who thinks that driving really fast along a residential road is great fun and shows what a huge sausage they have, you are wrong. You are a muppet and I hope one day the extra speed you carry doesn't result in an injury or a death.
So why did you speed? Was it to show everyone else what a huge sausage you have? You sir, are one of us muppets! I try to stick to 30 and 40 limits but have been known to sneak over them on the odd occasion but not on purpose but there is no way I would come on here claiming to be whiter than white. Everyone speeds. If they say they don't they are lying. Even my mum who is the slowest driver in the world has been done for 34 in a 30. She was mortified.funkyrobot said:
There is so much more to bad driving than speed alone. However, speed is one of the easiest things to measure. It's much easier to catch someone doing >10mph over the speed limit than someone tailgating. It's also one of the easiest things to control from the driver's seat. Yet many, many people still do it and play right into the hands of the local partnerships.
Including yourself.funkyrobot said:
It's got to a point now where someone like me (who sticks to limits) is regularly hounded, tailgated, abused and made to feel like a piece of s
t on the road.
Except you don't stick to limits do you? So maybe if you are getting the abuse you claim your driving isn't up to the standard you assume it is in other areas.t on the road. funkyrobot said:
I just don't get it. My humble opinion, of course. 
Perhaps you should have just asked yourself, what makes me speed, rather than asking everyone else and then trying to appear whiter than white yourself. You speed, as does everyone else. You've been lucky you haven't been caught so far. Accept it. BrownBottle said:
vonhosen said:
Max_Torque said:
So, you think the best judge of an appropriate speed is to simple follow the number written on a small metal sign? This is even more stupid than people who just want to do 100mph everywhere........
The speed limit doesn't tell you what an appropriate speed is. What it does is outlines the parameters within which all licenced drivers are expected to be able to choose an appropriate speed for the prevailing circumstances. It also dictates that they may only legally do that within those given parameters & provides the ability to sanction those who go outside it.
The choice of speed remains with the driver, the the right to sanction them for going outside the parameters remains with the state.
The state also provides a mechanism for sanctioning drivers who choose an inappropriate speed both within the parameters & outside them.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 21st August 01:04
I imagine reading it is a similar sensation to driving at 30mph everywhere.
chrisga said:
funkyrobot said:
Why do people speed?
Don't know, ask the OP of this thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...funkyrobot said:
Legal limits are just that. Limits. Regardless of whether or not the limit is correct, it's still the maximum possible speed you are allowed to drive at.
What made the OP of the thread above exceed the maximum speed he was allowed to drive at?funkyrobot said:
Think about it. Nobody likes getting caught speeding and I'm yet to meet anyone who likes camera vans and speed cameras. Yet people keep doing it, keep getting caught, keep totting up the figures for the partnerships and keep adding to the justification for more and more cameras and automated systems. People who speed actually keep the anti-speed establishments alive.
It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
So much so that people come on to a motoring forum to ask others whether they think they'll get a NIP through the post as they had been speeding in a 30 limit...... OP are you far too stupid to understand why they are in place? Why did you not abide by the limit?It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
funkyrobot said:
As this is a motoring site, I can understand the thrill a good blast in a motor vehicle can provide. However, thrills can be had without having to put others at risk. So, to anyone who thinks that driving really fast along a residential road is great fun and shows what a huge sausage they have, you are wrong. You are a muppet and I hope one day the extra speed you carry doesn't result in an injury or a death.
So why did you speed? Was it to show everyone else what a huge sausage you have? You sir, are one of us muppets! I try to stick to 30 and 40 limits but have been known to sneak over them on the odd occasion but not on purpose but there is no way I would come on here claiming to be whiter than white. Everyone speeds. If they say they don't they are lying. Even my mum who is the slowest driver in the world has been done for 34 in a 30. She was mortified.funkyrobot said:
There is so much more to bad driving than speed alone. However, speed is one of the easiest things to measure. It's much easier to catch someone doing >10mph over the speed limit than someone tailgating. It's also one of the easiest things to control from the driver's seat. Yet many, many people still do it and play right into the hands of the local partnerships.
Including yourself.funkyrobot said:
It's got to a point now where someone like me (who sticks to limits) is regularly hounded, tailgated, abused and made to feel like a piece of st on the road.
Except you don't stick to limits do you? So maybe if you are getting the abuse you claim your driving isn't up to the standard you assume it is in other areas.t on the road. funkyrobot said:
I just don't get it. My humble opinion, of course.
Perhaps you should have just asked yourself, what makes me speed, rather than asking everyone else and then trying to appear whiter than white yourself. You speed, as does everyone else. You've been lucky you haven't been caught so far. Accept it. Next.
funkyrobot said:
chrisga said:
funkyrobot said:
Why do people speed?
Don't know, ask the OP of this thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...funkyrobot said:
Legal limits are just that. Limits. Regardless of whether or not the limit is correct, it's still the maximum possible speed you are allowed to drive at.
What made the OP of the thread above exceed the maximum speed he was allowed to drive at?funkyrobot said:
Think about it. Nobody likes getting caught speeding and I'm yet to meet anyone who likes camera vans and speed cameras. Yet people keep doing it, keep getting caught, keep totting up the figures for the partnerships and keep adding to the justification for more and more cameras and automated systems. People who speed actually keep the anti-speed establishments alive.
It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
So much so that people come on to a motoring forum to ask others whether they think they'll get a NIP through the post as they had been speeding in a 30 limit...... OP are you far too stupid to understand why they are in place? Why did you not abide by the limit?It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
funkyrobot said:
As this is a motoring site, I can understand the thrill a good blast in a motor vehicle can provide. However, thrills can be had without having to put others at risk. So, to anyone who thinks that driving really fast along a residential road is great fun and shows what a huge sausage they have, you are wrong. You are a muppet and I hope one day the extra speed you carry doesn't result in an injury or a death.
So why did you speed? Was it to show everyone else what a huge sausage you have? You sir, are one of us muppets! I try to stick to 30 and 40 limits but have been known to sneak over them on the odd occasion but not on purpose but there is no way I would come on here claiming to be whiter than white. Everyone speeds. If they say they don't they are lying. Even my mum who is the slowest driver in the world has been done for 34 in a 30. She was mortified.funkyrobot said:
There is so much more to bad driving than speed alone. However, speed is one of the easiest things to measure. It's much easier to catch someone doing >10mph over the speed limit than someone tailgating. It's also one of the easiest things to control from the driver's seat. Yet many, many people still do it and play right into the hands of the local partnerships.
Including yourself.funkyrobot said:
It's got to a point now where someone like me (who sticks to limits) is regularly hounded, tailgated, abused and made to feel like a piece of st on the road.
Except you don't stick to limits do you? So maybe if you are getting the abuse you claim your driving isn't up to the standard you assume it is in other areas.t on the road. funkyrobot said:
I just don't get it. My humble opinion, of course.
Perhaps you should have just asked yourself, what makes me speed, rather than asking everyone else and then trying to appear whiter than white yourself. You speed, as does everyone else. You've been lucky you haven't been caught so far. Accept it. Next.
Most modern cars are so well-developed that the driver becomes distanced from the enjoyment of driving, to the point that you have to be doing quite high speed to enjoy yourself. (I'm writing this as someone who enjoys driving rather than viewing it as just a way to get from A to B).
My modern cars (pretty basic stuff) are extremely comfortable ways to get about, but at legal speeds (on NSL roads) it's like sitting on the sofa at home, waiting to arrive somewhere.
I never (knowingly) exceed 30 & 40 limits (lost a childhood friend who ran into the road when I was 8), but at other times I will drive at a speed I feel appropriate to the road & weather conditions.
I get the most enjoyment out of my classic cars (and the occasional track day). Drive a 1960's/70's classic without all the modern driver aids, and you can have a lot of fun while respecting the speed limits!
My modern cars (pretty basic stuff) are extremely comfortable ways to get about, but at legal speeds (on NSL roads) it's like sitting on the sofa at home, waiting to arrive somewhere.
I never (knowingly) exceed 30 & 40 limits (lost a childhood friend who ran into the road when I was 8), but at other times I will drive at a speed I feel appropriate to the road & weather conditions.
I get the most enjoyment out of my classic cars (and the occasional track day). Drive a 1960's/70's classic without all the modern driver aids, and you can have a lot of fun while respecting the speed limits!
vonhosen said:
The speed limit doesn't tell you what an appropriate speed is.
What it does is outlines the parameters within which all licenced drivers are expected to be able to choose an appropriate speed for the prevailing circumstances. It also dictates that they may only legally do that within those given parameters & provides the ability to sanction those who go outside it.
The choice of speed remains with the driver, the the right to sanction them for going outside the parameters remains with the state.
The state also provides a mechanism for sanctioning drivers who choose an inappropriate speed both within the parameters & outside them.
This right here, well said.What it does is outlines the parameters within which all licenced drivers are expected to be able to choose an appropriate speed for the prevailing circumstances. It also dictates that they may only legally do that within those given parameters & provides the ability to sanction those who go outside it.
The choice of speed remains with the driver, the the right to sanction them for going outside the parameters remains with the state.
The state also provides a mechanism for sanctioning drivers who choose an inappropriate speed both within the parameters & outside them.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 21st August 01:04
swisstoni said:
funkyrobot said:
chrisga said:
funkyrobot said:
Why do people speed?
Don't know, ask the OP of this thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...funkyrobot said:
Legal limits are just that. Limits. Regardless of whether or not the limit is correct, it's still the maximum possible speed you are allowed to drive at.
What made the OP of the thread above exceed the maximum speed he was allowed to drive at?funkyrobot said:
Think about it. Nobody likes getting caught speeding and I'm yet to meet anyone who likes camera vans and speed cameras. Yet people keep doing it, keep getting caught, keep totting up the figures for the partnerships and keep adding to the justification for more and more cameras and automated systems. People who speed actually keep the anti-speed establishments alive.
It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
So much so that people come on to a motoring forum to ask others whether they think they'll get a NIP through the post as they had been speeding in a 30 limit...... OP are you far too stupid to understand why they are in place? Why did you not abide by the limit?It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
funkyrobot said:
As this is a motoring site, I can understand the thrill a good blast in a motor vehicle can provide. However, thrills can be had without having to put others at risk. So, to anyone who thinks that driving really fast along a residential road is great fun and shows what a huge sausage they have, you are wrong. You are a muppet and I hope one day the extra speed you carry doesn't result in an injury or a death.
So why did you speed? Was it to show everyone else what a huge sausage you have? You sir, are one of us muppets! I try to stick to 30 and 40 limits but have been known to sneak over them on the odd occasion but not on purpose but there is no way I would come on here claiming to be whiter than white. Everyone speeds. If they say they don't they are lying. Even my mum who is the slowest driver in the world has been done for 34 in a 30. She was mortified.funkyrobot said:
There is so much more to bad driving than speed alone. However, speed is one of the easiest things to measure. It's much easier to catch someone doing >10mph over the speed limit than someone tailgating. It's also one of the easiest things to control from the driver's seat. Yet many, many people still do it and play right into the hands of the local partnerships.
Including yourself.funkyrobot said:
It's got to a point now where someone like me (who sticks to limits) is regularly hounded, tailgated, abused and made to feel like a piece of st on the road.
Except you don't stick to limits do you? So maybe if you are getting the abuse you claim your driving isn't up to the standard you assume it is in other areas.t on the road. funkyrobot said:
I just don't get it. My humble opinion, of course.
Perhaps you should have just asked yourself, what makes me speed, rather than asking everyone else and then trying to appear whiter than white yourself. You speed, as does everyone else. You've been lucky you haven't been caught so far. Accept it. Next.
sunbeam alpine said:
Most modern cars are so well-developed that the driver becomes distanced from the enjoyment of driving, to the point that you have to be doing quite high speed to enjoy yourself. (I'm writing this as someone who enjoys driving rather than viewing it as just a way to get from A to B).
My modern cars (pretty basic stuff) are extremely comfortable ways to get about, but at legal speeds (on NSL roads) it's like sitting on the sofa at home, waiting to arrive somewhere.
I never (knowingly) exceed 30 & 40 limits (lost a childhood friend who ran into the road when I was 8), but at other times I will drive at a speed I feel appropriate to the road & weather conditions.
I get the most enjoyment out of my classic cars (and the occasional track day). Drive a 1960's/70's classic without all the modern driver aids, and you can have a lot of fun while respecting the speed limits!
That's what I hinted at in my original post. You need to be aware of what you are doing in a modern car.My modern cars (pretty basic stuff) are extremely comfortable ways to get about, but at legal speeds (on NSL roads) it's like sitting on the sofa at home, waiting to arrive somewhere.
I never (knowingly) exceed 30 & 40 limits (lost a childhood friend who ran into the road when I was 8), but at other times I will drive at a speed I feel appropriate to the road & weather conditions.
I get the most enjoyment out of my classic cars (and the occasional track day). Drive a 1960's/70's classic without all the modern driver aids, and you can have a lot of fun while respecting the speed limits!
However, some people just seem to carry on regardless and don't seem to care. To them a limit is just something to be ignored. They know better etc.
funkyrobot said:
sunbeam alpine said:
Most modern cars are so well-developed that the driver becomes distanced from the enjoyment of driving, to the point that you have to be doing quite high speed to enjoy yourself. (I'm writing this as someone who enjoys driving rather than viewing it as just a way to get from A to B).
My modern cars (pretty basic stuff) are extremely comfortable ways to get about, but at legal speeds (on NSL roads) it's like sitting on the sofa at home, waiting to arrive somewhere.
I never (knowingly) exceed 30 & 40 limits (lost a childhood friend who ran into the road when I was 8), but at other times I will drive at a speed I feel appropriate to the road & weather conditions.
I get the most enjoyment out of my classic cars (and the occasional track day). Drive a 1960's/70's classic without all the modern driver aids, and you can have a lot of fun while respecting the speed limits!
That's what I hinted at in my original post. You need to be aware of what you are doing in a modern car.My modern cars (pretty basic stuff) are extremely comfortable ways to get about, but at legal speeds (on NSL roads) it's like sitting on the sofa at home, waiting to arrive somewhere.
I never (knowingly) exceed 30 & 40 limits (lost a childhood friend who ran into the road when I was 8), but at other times I will drive at a speed I feel appropriate to the road & weather conditions.
I get the most enjoyment out of my classic cars (and the occasional track day). Drive a 1960's/70's classic without all the modern driver aids, and you can have a lot of fun while respecting the speed limits!
However, some people just seem to carry on regardless and don't seem to care. To them a limit is just something to be ignored. They know better etc.
People think they know better. Simple.
Question answered?
Like a few others have said, because you can speed and still be safe.
Would be interesting to see accurate stats of the amount of speeding that goes on, compared to the amount of accidents that have happened as a result.
Also, if it was that bad, emergency services would also have to stick to the limits.
I was bored last night and went for a blast down some of my favourite local country roads. Yeah, there's the whole "take it to the track" but it's not as accessible and it costs extra money, to lower a risk that's barely even there in the first place if done in the right place at the right time.
I've been on the road since 16, now 23. I've had one non-fault accident. I doubt it's just down to luck. I enjoy being on the road, so I pay attention and am always trying to improve my abilities. Which is a lot more than I can say for most road users, who are miraculously deemed "safe" because they stick to the limit. Even though it's generally these types that have caused many a close call, due to doing things like drifting over to my side of the road, almost causing head on collisions and just a general lack of attention on their part.
Would be interesting to see accurate stats of the amount of speeding that goes on, compared to the amount of accidents that have happened as a result.
Also, if it was that bad, emergency services would also have to stick to the limits.
I was bored last night and went for a blast down some of my favourite local country roads. Yeah, there's the whole "take it to the track" but it's not as accessible and it costs extra money, to lower a risk that's barely even there in the first place if done in the right place at the right time.
I've been on the road since 16, now 23. I've had one non-fault accident. I doubt it's just down to luck. I enjoy being on the road, so I pay attention and am always trying to improve my abilities. Which is a lot more than I can say for most road users, who are miraculously deemed "safe" because they stick to the limit. Even though it's generally these types that have caused many a close call, due to doing things like drifting over to my side of the road, almost causing head on collisions and just a general lack of attention on their part.
Bonefish Blues said:
jonah35 said:
Its very hard if not impossible not to speed in a modern car.
Puzzled by this one, I must admit.GetCarter said:
Bonefish Blues said:
jonah35 said:
Its very hard if not impossible not to speed in a modern car.
Puzzled by this one, I must admit.funkyrobot said:
As this is a motoring site, I can understand the thrill a good blast in a motor vehicle can provide. However, thrills can be had without having to put others at risk.
Not in a moving vehicle they can't.funkyrobot said:
It isn't because I drive slowly and doddle around as I like to crack on as much as any PH'er. However, my cracking on stops at the limit of the road...
Then you obviously don't like to crack on as much as any PHer. That's ok.I just don't know why anyone would feel the need to stick to a limit at all times. You have to choose a safe speed at all times anyway, the number on a pole at the side of the road has no bearing on anything other than if you're exceedingly unlucky you might get a small additional tax bill occasionally.
vonhosen said:
The speed limit doesn't tell you what an appropriate speed is.
What it does is outlines the parameters within which all licenced drivers are expected to be able to choose an appropriate speed for the prevailing circumstances.
The number is more or less arbitrary in many cases. NSL on roads that you'd be insane to do 30mph on, and artificially low limits on roads that almost no-one observes. The number on the stick is primarily there to assist with prosecuting drivers rather than making the roads safer.What it does is outlines the parameters within which all licenced drivers are expected to be able to choose an appropriate speed for the prevailing circumstances.
Mr2Mike said:
vonhosen said:
The speed limit doesn't tell you what an appropriate speed is.
What it does is outlines the parameters within which all licenced drivers are expected to be able to choose an appropriate speed for the prevailing circumstances.
The number is more or less arbitrary in many cases. NSL on roads that you'd be insane to do 30mph on, and artificially low limits on roads that almost no-one observes. The number on the stick is primarily there to assist with prosecuting drivers rather than making the roads safer.What it does is outlines the parameters within which all licenced drivers are expected to be able to choose an appropriate speed for the prevailing circumstances.
Yes there are a lot of narrow country lanes that are NSL & in a lot places it is not likely to be safe to get anywhere near the NSL but as they are very lightly used, have very few collisions on them, pass very few residences & to make them a lower limit would require posting expensive signs at regular intervals along them. As there isn't a problem on them there isn't a need (or justifiable cost in doing so) & they are appropriately left as is.
Other roads that are more widely used, have collisions & residences etc on them, there is more of a problem that can justify the change & the costs that follow that for the councils involved.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 21st August 17:05
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