Why speed?

[Wills2]

Mr2Mike said:

vonhosen said:

The speed limit doesn't tell you what an appropriate speed is.
What it does is outlines the parameters within which all licenced drivers are expected to be able to choose an appropriate speed for the prevailing circumstances.

The number is more or less arbitrary in many cases. NSL on roads that you'd be insane to do 30mph on, and artificially low limits on roads that almost no-one observes. The number on the stick is primarily there to assist with prosecuting drivers rather than making the roads safer.

Indeed but pointing out what millions of motorists already know is a pointless exercise with the Vonhosen-bot.

[Bonefish Blues]

GetCarter said:

Bonefish Blues said:

jonah35 said:

Its very hard if not impossible not to speed in a modern car.

Puzzled by this one, I must admit.

I'm not sure why. Driving on a wide, fast empty road in a car that will do nearly 200 mph, and nearly 60 in first gear - It's very hard if not impossible not to speed in a modern car. (ETA.. ok - some modern cars).

This applies (at best, if one accepts the proposition that because a car can go very fast indeed it's impossible to hold it back, almost ) to a small minority of modern cars then, I guess.

[GetCarter]

Bonefish Blues said:

GetCarter said:

Bonefish Blues said:

jonah35 said:

Its very hard if not impossible not to speed in a modern car.

Puzzled by this one, I must admit.

I'm not sure why. Driving on a wide, fast empty road in a car that will do nearly 200 mph, and nearly 60 in first gear - It's very hard if not impossible not to speed in a modern car. (ETA.. ok - some modern cars).

This applies (at best, if one accepts the proposition that because a car can go very fast indeed it's impossible to hold it back, almost ) to a small minority of modern cars then, I guess.

Welcome.

[anonymous-user]

funkyrobot said:

Yes, my needle read 35 mph. That was a mistake and I don't set out to ignore speed limits. I stick to them.

My point relates to people who know the speed limit and who carry on over that regardless.

The last post relates to some moron on here who got caught speeding over and over again.

You see, this is what gets me about this thread. Your BS reasons for breaking the law are no more valid than anyone's, yet you throw around the label of 'moron' as if you are somehow not guilty of the same crime? You're a total hypocrite and I can see no reason why you'd be interested in a motoring forum at all, unless this a massive wind up (please tell me it is)?

35mph on a standard ish speedometer would mean you'd be under the limit. More likely you were showing 40 when you made your 'mistake'.

[TorqueDirty]

GetCarter said:

I was on this road today (about 18 miles long). No houses, no turnings, no roundabouts, no traffic lights, no rain, no police, no nothing.

I'm in a car that has a top speed of 155 mph and will very comfortably cruise at 120mph.

You want me to drive at 60mph because it's a rule someone decided who hasn't driven further north than Edinburgh.

Come up here, drive a decent car, and see what happens.

HTH

Edited by GetCarter on Saturday 20th August 20:29

Achnasheen straight?

[daytona111r]

Funkyrobot you must be an incredibly dull individual

[mikemike08]

I came of the chunnel the other night and two cars in front there was a 65 plate r8 revving its engine at every single opportunity, left it standing when i went past him at 120mph in my tdi skoda, also got home in 30 minutes, just saying

[GetCarter]

TorqueDirty said:

Achnasheen straight?

Indeed . The slower one that heads north

[funkyrobot]

yonex said:

You see, this is what gets me about this thread. Your BS reasons for breaking the law are no more valid than anyone's, yet you throw around the label of 'moron' as if you are somehow not guilty of the same crime? You're a total hypocrite and I can see no reason why you'd be interested in a motoring forum at all, unless this a massive wind up (please tell me it is)?

35mph on a standard ish speedometer would mean you'd be under the limit. More likely you were showing 40 when you made your 'mistake'.

Oooh, internet hard man. If you are so clever, why didnt I get a ticket?

You are right. I think I am losing interest in this site. Its full of stupid s like you.

[funkyrobot]

daytona111r said:

Funkyrobot you must be an incredibly dull individual

So dull that you take the time to post on my thread?

Who is the fool eh?

[anonymous-user]

funkyrobot said:

Oooh, internet hard man. If you are so clever, why didnt I get a ticket?

You are right. I think I am losing interest in this site. Its full of stupid s like you.

So your position of strength, calling me out as an Internet hard man, is calling me a ''

Good plan.

I suggest you read what you posted, then have a little think about why me, and most others would think you're a hypocrite. Doors over there btw princess

[V8RX7]

funkyrobot said:

Why do people speed?

Legal limits are just that. Limits. Regardless of whether or not the limit is correct, it's still the maximum possible speed you are allowed to drive at.

As this is a motoring site, I can understand the thrill a good blast in a motor vehicle can provide. However, thrills can be had without having to put others at risk.

It's fun

I wasn't consulted, nor agreed to them - they simply cannot be justified - how can the safe speed limit be the same on an icy winter's night at rush hour as a Summer morning at 5am ? The same limit for a Trabant and a Caterham

Exactly - by driving to the conditions - so on ice past a school at 9am I may be doing far less than 30 but at 5am on a Sunday morning I won't be doing 40 on a clear, country A road.

[vonhosen]

V8RX7 said:

funkyrobot said:

Why do people speed?

Legal limits are just that. Limits. Regardless of whether or not the limit is correct, it's still the maximum possible speed you are allowed to drive at.

As this is a motoring site, I can understand the thrill a good blast in a motor vehicle can provide. However, thrills can be had without having to put others at risk.

It's fun

I wasn't consulted, nor agreed to them - they simply cannot be justified - how can the safe speed limit be the same on an icy winter's night at rush hour as a Summer morning at 5am ? The same limit for a Trabant and a Caterham

Exactly - by driving to the conditions - so on ice past a school at 9am I may be doing far less than 30 but at 5am on a Sunday morning I won't be doing 40 on a clear, country A road.

You can have the one speed limit because the limit is the maximum speed you are permitted to do in optimal conditions, you are then expected to drive at a slower speed where conditions demand it. The limit does not tell you that you can do that speed in good or adverse conditions, it merely places a ceiling on what you can legally do if in the conditions it is safe to do it. If it's not safe to do it then you can't legally do it. If you drive too fast for the conditions (below the speed limit) you can be dealt with for a Sec2/3 RTA offence.

Why on earth would you think you have to personally be consulted etc for any legislation?
You have the chance to vote people into power to debate & make those decisions on your behalf.

[Debaser]

Several reasons:

It's fun.

Sticking to some limits is really dull.

To get somewhere quicker.

[funkyrobot]

yonex said:

funkyrobot said:

Oooh, internet hard man. If you are so clever, why didnt I get a ticket?

You are right. I think I am losing interest in this site. Its full of stupid s like you.

So your position of strength, calling me out as an Internet hard man, is calling me a ''

Good plan.

I suggest you read what you posted, then have a little think about why me, and most others would think you're a hypocrite. Doors over there btw princess

Ha ha. You are so dumb, you can't even tell when someone is doing it on purpose.

Are you the pied piper of PH now?

[spookly]

Wills2 said:

Indeed but pointing out what millions of motorists already know is a pointless exercise with the Vonhosen-bot.

I've noticed that myself. He must be a hoot at parties

[spookly]

vonhosen said:

You have the chance to vote people into power to debate & make those decisions on your behalf.

You still seem to be labouring under misapprehension that one of the only two parties with any chance of getting into power would do what we, or any of the rest of the public want them to.

[vonhosen]

spookly said:

vonhosen said:

You have the chance to vote people into power to debate & make those decisions on your behalf.

You still seem to be labouring under misapprehension that one of the only two parties with any chance of getting into power would do what we, or any of the rest of the public want them to.

The point is that's our political & law making process, not run it past each citizen for approval.
The main parties probably don't do what you want because it's not important/popular enough to force the policy through. It doesn't have enough support.

The USA has two main political parties, look at the lobbying power of the NRA, they get what they want.

In the UK there is no well supported body presenting a coherent cohesive policy/proposal for a wide scale increase or removal of speed limits.
How many active members do say the ABD have?
What's their policy or proposal?
If you were to stop 1000 random people in a UK city centre how many would know who the ABD are?

Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 21st August 21:59

[anonymous-user]

funkyrobot said:

Ha ha. You are so dumb, you can't even tell when someone is doing it on purpose.

Are you the pied piper of PH now?

No, but I can see you for what you are. It is usual for a troll, when they get caught out, to attempt diversion. Keep the insults going big boy, I am sure it is not just me that is impressed?

[8potdave]

There is far too much emphasis on speed these days. The fine art of applying common sense to a situation has been removed from us and the majority of drivers now think as long as they are obeying the speed limit they can do exactly what they want.

I would feel much safer if the roads were full of people who broke the speed limit from time to time than others who text, dick around, use the wrong lanes etc.

You also have to remember that there is a massive range of ability on the road. In the eyes of the law Lewis Hamilton is at the same standard as a 90 year old woman so the limits are set up for the lowest standard of driver. It's not rocket science that a good driver will be able to drive at a higher speed far more safely than a bad one. I'm not professing to be the best driver but I'd like to think I know what I'm doing and drive within my limits. I've had a lot of different cars and driven many miles over the years and furthermore cars / bikes are my hobby so I take it more seriously than Hilda will do in her Honda Jazz. This is why I can drive / ride an A road quite confidently and safely at 70-80mph where other people are braking down to 30mph for a 60mph corner. We drive to our abilities - it's when people start to drive out of their abilities the problems arise.