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funkyrobot said:
You really believe that?
Wasn't there a discussion on here a few months ago about raising the motorway limit to 80mph? Wasn't the consensus that if this were done, people would travel at 90 mph rather than than the 80 mph they currently do?
It is a matter of significant jurisprudential debate over the centuries. Plenty of books out there if you want to read up on it.Wasn't there a discussion on here a few months ago about raising the motorway limit to 80mph? Wasn't the consensus that if this were done, people would travel at 90 mph rather than than the 80 mph they currently do?
Simply put, if laws are just they are obeyed by the majority.
funkyrobot said:
It's got to a point now where someone like me (who sticks to limits) is regularly hounded, tailgated, abused and made to feel like a piece of s
t on the road.
But are you sticking to the limit, or are you sticking to the limit per your speedometer. Can often be 5 or 10 mph over reading which may the cause of the frustration in the 30 car queue behind you! t on the road. 
Most drivers, myself included drive at a speed appropriate to the conditions, the road, the volume of traffic and the car that they are driving.
Do I speed, sure. Do I always speed, no. Do I often go lower than the posted limit because that's appropriate, yes.
If the individuals who set speed limits showed a bit of common sense, and understanding around what constitutes safe speed/ where, then maybe drivers would show said limits some respect. Few of us go around stealing, raping, murdering, because we understand that these laws are apt. Speed limits very often are nonsense, which were set in the days of Ford Anglias and Morris Minors.
Do I speed, sure. Do I always speed, no. Do I often go lower than the posted limit because that's appropriate, yes.
If the individuals who set speed limits showed a bit of common sense, and understanding around what constitutes safe speed/ where, then maybe drivers would show said limits some respect. Few of us go around stealing, raping, murdering, because we understand that these laws are apt. Speed limits very often are nonsense, which were set in the days of Ford Anglias and Morris Minors.
I think its more psychological and about how fast it feels rather than how fast it actually is. 30-50mph or so are the speeds that, around towns and cities, feel quick enough to be making progress without getting too quick that it feels dangerous and then the same on motorways doing 70, 80, 90ish. Anything less in those situations and it feels like you are dawdling.
And think about other types of transport, most cyclists will be doing 20 something, maybe more. Cars are supposed to be the next level up in terms of personal transport, so whats the point if they dont really feel like they are.
Im not saying this in terms of us lot on Pistonheads who enjoy driving as a hobby and in different dimensions to how most people see driving, because obviously we are sideways in the Highlands or doing 190 on the Autobahn, but as how cars are to the general public and part of modern infrastructure.
And think about other types of transport, most cyclists will be doing 20 something, maybe more. Cars are supposed to be the next level up in terms of personal transport, so whats the point if they dont really feel like they are.
Im not saying this in terms of us lot on Pistonheads who enjoy driving as a hobby and in different dimensions to how most people see driving, because obviously we are sideways in the Highlands or doing 190 on the Autobahn, but as how cars are to the general public and part of modern infrastructure.
mwstewart said:
funkyrobot said:
Bored, local Russian housewives wanting to grease your piston website is that way ->
Now, now.funkyrobot said:
It just seems bizarre to me that so many people simply cannot abide to the limit.
I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
The above in the opening post seems strange to me - mainly as this is a performance car enthusiast site, but also given your attitude to 30 limits, e.g. from http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...I started a thread about the increasingly bad behaviour of a lot of drivers in 30 mph zones. It is as if a lot of drivers are far too stupid to understand why they are in place.
funkyrobot said:
Just rounded a corner and was faced with a camera van pointing at me or a lorry in front. Checked speedo and needle was around 35 mph. The limit on the road is 30 mph.
Anyone think I will receive a NIP? First ever if I do.
Further down the thread:Anyone think I will receive a NIP? First ever if I do.
funkyrobot said:
roofer said:
Karma.
When is your court date?At most, I'm getting 3 points or a SAC.
If I were like you on 9 points already, I wouldn't be doing 35 in a 30.
My point relates to people who know the speed limit and who carry on over that regardless.
The last post relates to some moron on here who got caught speeding over and over again. He then tried to blame a system that was out to get him.
Jasandjules said:
funkyrobot said:
You really believe that?
Wasn't there a discussion on here a few months ago about raising the motorway limit to 80mph? Wasn't the consensus that if this were done, people would travel at 90 mph rather than than the 80 mph they currently do?
It is a matter of significant jurisprudential debate over the centuries. Plenty of books out there if you want to read up on it.Wasn't there a discussion on here a few months ago about raising the motorway limit to 80mph? Wasn't the consensus that if this were done, people would travel at 90 mph rather than than the 80 mph they currently do?
Simply put, if laws are just they are obeyed by the majority.
funkyrobot said:
Wasn't there a discussion on here a few months ago about raising the motorway limit to 80mph? Wasn't the consensus that if this were done, people would travel at 90 mph rather than than the 80 mph they currently do?
If the limits are set lower than the speed at which a substantial proportion of drivers would drive in the absence of limits, of course many of them are going to break the limit.And, regardless of the limit, if people would choose to drive at 80, many will drive at 80, and if they would choose to drive at 90 then many will drive at 90.
poo at Paul's said:
But are you sticking to the limit, or are you sticking to the limit per your speedometer. Can often be 5 or 10 mph over reading which may the cause of the frustration in the 30 car queue behind you!
My speedometer does indeed over read, so my needle is just above 30 mph on the speedo.andyalan10 said:
It might help others to see funkyrobot's perspective if I copy this comment of his from another thread:-
"My current 5 minute walk to work could be a commute one day if I change jobs."
What has that got to do with anything? Just because I walk to work, it doesn't mean I don't drive or even enjoy driving."My current 5 minute walk to work could be a commute one day if I change jobs."
Anything else you want to pick from my posting history?
Aside from us here who may do it under what we personally deem to be low risk conditions simply because we enjoy it;
1. Because many limits are set inappropriately low,
2. Because modern cars remove the sensation of speed and insulate the driver from perceived danger at legal speeds on a lot of roads, certainly urban ones,
3. Most people are selfish and don't actively consider the effect of their actions on others.
1. Because many limits are set inappropriately low,
2. Because modern cars remove the sensation of speed and insulate the driver from perceived danger at legal speeds on a lot of roads, certainly urban ones,
3. Most people are selfish and don't actively consider the effect of their actions on others.
Boosted LS1 said:
Yep, he's stirring the pot.
Not really. I'm posting some thoughts on a motoring forum that spark a bit of debate.If I simply posted something like 'all speeders are f
king idiots and they will kill everyone', then fair enough. But I'm not.The main point of my post is that regardless of what anyone thinks, a limit is a limit. If it's a stupid limit, it's still a limit. I simply cannot understand why people keep speeding, get caught and go down as another statistic and another tick for the war on speed establishments.
I would love to see what would happen if everyone drove to the speed limit.
poing said:
DoubleD said:
poing said:
DoubleD said:
Why drink?
Why eat fatty foods?
Why have sex with multiple partners?
To be fair, none of those are illegal, yet. It would be better to say why use illegal drugs.Why eat fatty foods?
Why have sex with multiple partners?
Why drink underage?
Why eat something thats......not on your diet plan?
Why have.....erm.......nope im not going there.
Don't get me wrong, I speed so I'm not defending the question. I suspect Mr Robot is a little bored and just stirring the pot a little.
No, I'm not stirring anything. Just some thoughts I posted up.
PoleDriver said:
I always keep to the 30/40 limits in built-up areas (sometimes even the 50 limit if there's pedestrians) but when I'm on an NSL road, whether it's single dual or motorway I'll decide my own limits thank you as I believe that the numbers on sticks are aimed at the lowest common denominators behind the wheel as it is easier to make everyone drive slower than it is to make unsafe drivers drive better.
NB. 'My' limits on NSL can start as low as 20 as I drive to the conditions, NOT to blindly obey an arbitrary number dreamt up when cars could barely reach a ton and required an anchor to stop safely!
NB. 'My' limits on NSL can start as low as 20 as I drive to the conditions, NOT to blindly obey an arbitrary number dreamt up when cars could barely reach a ton and required an anchor to stop safely!
Jasandjules said:
funkyrobot said:
You really believe that?
Wasn't there a discussion on here a few months ago about raising the motorway limit to 80mph? Wasn't the consensus that if this were done, people would travel at 90 mph rather than than the 80 mph they currently do?
It is a matter of significant jurisprudential debate over the centuries. Plenty of books out there if you want to read up on it.Wasn't there a discussion on here a few months ago about raising the motorway limit to 80mph? Wasn't the consensus that if this were done, people would travel at 90 mph rather than than the 80 mph they currently do?
Simply put, if laws are just they are obeyed by the majority.
People are mostly basically decent, and most don't need laws to stop them being assholes or to stop them endangering other people.
People just doing what they think is morally right don't usually cross the line of laws even if they are ignorant of them.
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