Man who had not eaten or drunk for hours - crashes train !

Man who had not eaten or drunk for hours - crashes train !

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del mar

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2,838 posts

198 months

Saturday 20th August 2016
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Would you believe such a thing !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3750195/Mu...

And yes of course people who have just eaten can have crashes.

I get a bit twisty if I don't have my sandwich at 1pm !

poo at Paul's

14,116 posts

174 months

Saturday 20th August 2016
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What a fking tt.

ikarl

3,730 posts

198 months

Saturday 20th August 2016
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Difficult one for the train driver and his managers..

Does he explain re Ramadan and ask for reduced duties? What would be the consequences of that?
Do his managers allow him different duties etc..?
Will it change how they deal with Muslims during Ramadan in the future?

The Nur

9,168 posts

184 months

Saturday 20th August 2016
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I have been known to get agitated, light headed, shaky if I don't eat. Bringing religion in to it though and you're asking for trouble hehe

Sheepshanks

32,529 posts

118 months

Saturday 20th August 2016
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It's the not drinking, even water, which seems particularly ridiculous in all sorts of circumstances.

55palfers

5,892 posts

163 months

Saturday 20th August 2016
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Maybe best if he books his holidays over Ramadan next year

Mark300zx

1,351 posts

251 months

Saturday 20th August 2016
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Religious fasting is a H&S problem that is just starting to be recognised, I was working with a colleague who hadn't eaten or drunk for fifteen hours and there was a noticeable drop in his performance. In risk critical activities this should be accounted for or people may be rightly asking why is someone who is in charge of my welfare not in a fit state to do so?

Beati Dogu

8,862 posts

138 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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No snackbar on his train then?

PH XKR

1,761 posts

101 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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Beati Dogu said:
No snackbar on his train then?
Yeah, Allan has one

Pickled Piper

6,334 posts

234 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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It's a serious issue that needs to be discussed.

I live in the West Midlands and it is notable that the driving standards drop during Ramadam. Standard practice is to give any head scarved women and visibly Muslim men drivers, an extremely wide berth. Surprisingly, low blood sugar and dehydration do not aid your driving ability.

It does get a little tiresome hearing about Ramadam on the TV and Radio without any advice to participants to consider the safety of the general populace and the effect that their actions are having on others. Perhaps this should be part of the "self reflection" that the holy month is intended to bring about?

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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Part of the issue with Ramadan is because it's based on the lunar calender it 'moves' through the year ... not as much of an issue in the lower latitudes as their day length varies rather less than the higher latitudes ...

Unfortunately the jurists have not been persuaded on the need for limitation of the length of the fast in the higher latitudes ...

Rick101

6,959 posts

149 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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Where is the RAIB report?

I can't find it on their website.

Monkeylegend

26,226 posts

230 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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Rick101 said:
Where is the RAIB report?

I can't find it on their website.
Google is your friend.

kowalski655

14,599 posts

142 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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I'm sure Muslims on here have said many times you can eat if circumstances demands it,and make it up later. In safety critical jobs it should be compulsory to do that, but would that be done for fear of offence, and would it be accepted by Muslims?

Rick101

6,959 posts

149 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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Monkeylegend said:
Google is your friend.
Very useful. Thanks.

I'm not fan of magic stories or any of the bullst that comes with them. Driver is a safety critical job and I think stuff like this should be more considered.
The fact the Incident form specifically asks about break times and when you last had something to eat and drink indicates they know the importance of this.
Sadly with the pro everything we have these days the job would be changed the fit the requirements of the religion rather than the other way round.
Looking at the timeframes it is no difference of course to somebody skipping breakfast. That lack of water doesn't help though. Too much being made of the Muslim thing but not surprising considering publications and the readerships they attract.
Regardless, I've read the driver report and that indicates a lack of concentration or route knowledge. Until reading the RAIB report I can't come to any definite conclusions.

Good to note all the safety systems did their job and nobody was hurt.

Edited by Rick101 on Sunday 21st August 09:11

Wobbegong

15,077 posts

168 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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Could he have requested night shifts over the Ramadam period? My wife's colleague does this and eats like a pig horse. Benefit is that he meets his religious requirements but doesn't feel crap due to a lack of food / drink.

battered

4,088 posts

146 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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How socially responsible of the Daily Hate to keep us abreast of the things that matter. It's a good thing that none of the press are overstating one part of this story or conducting a drip drip hate campaign, isn't it?

768

13,601 posts

95 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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I don't know what it's like these days, but Ramadan was something of a game of Russian roulette for Saudi air force pilots and anyone near them.

They shouldn't be working with anything heavier than a keyboard IMO.

Rick101

6,959 posts

149 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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Missed the reports and titled differently to the rest for some reason.

Anyway, after reading it, as is often the case it seems like a number of factors, including late changes and lack of experience contributed to this rather than the fasting.

New driver
Only driven line twice
Late change to working
Driver not being aware of plan until advised by signaller


bitchstewie

50,781 posts

209 months

Sunday 21st August 2016
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Because there have never been train crashes that don't involve Muslims or people who have eaten? confused

Drip drip is right.