RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Review
Discussion
jamieduff1981 said:
Maldini35 said:
From the article and the thread it seems the F-pace is another over- priced Jag which looks ok but falls short on build quality and interior.
Shame.
If such things matter (this is Pistonheads afterall), it also sounds like Jaguar is still the premium brand choice for people who want a nice interior but want rewarding driving dynamics more.Shame.
If you're not interested in the dynamics then fine, but some people are. Jaguar have been building cars that are better to drive than the competition on a like-for-like model basis for years now. Their development effort is bias towards steering and suspension set up. The Germans are bias towards soft touch plastics and infotainment screens.
I personally think it's mental to spend the same amount of money on a similar product that drives worse on the basis that it has more buttons inside but hey, that's my personal buying criteria talking.
As you say Jag should be praised for focusing on dynamics over interior finish and infotainment but a great handling SUV is like sporty stilts in my eyes - a bit pointless. It could be argued that if you really valued dynamics you probably wouldn't choose an SUV (or stilts).
And at the prices Jag is asking should we have to put up with slightly duff interiors and outdated infotainment in order to get a nice handling car? It's just a shame we can't have it all.
I should also state for the record that I'm not a fan of the Q5 or Macan either so no bias.
fblm said:
To be fair to said passenger she did let me buy some nice track cars in exchange for getting the hateful family Touareg.
OK, I'll let you / her off! 
Couldn't you convince her to give trackdays / sporty cars a try herself? My wife no longer wants boring cars (she wants a Mustang GT next)!
MonkeyMatt said:
he Maserati will start at £54k so will definitely cross over with the Jag
yeah I was looking at it form the perspective of buying them when I move back to the US eventually. There the prices for the Maserati are about $20k more than the V6sc Jag! The Jag undercuts the Macan S by about $5k there.
langlord said:
Totally agree with the standard of interior comment, at entry spec its very good on the S its below par. Hence our order was cancelled and a macan gts arrives in a month.
Another snobby D***Head who is totally absorbed by the KrapKraut syndrome.Get a life if you are British and support our home industries! God knows we need it, before We are just another sattelite of the 4th Reich.Hefferlump said:
Another snobby D***Head who is totally absorbed by the KrapKraut syndrome.Get a life if you are British and support our home industries! God knows we need it, before We are just another sattelite of the 4th Reich.
5 posts and you're calling people d1ckheads? Classy. Where was your Mazda made?Hefferlump said:
Another snobby D***Head who is totally absorbed by the KrapKraut syndrome.Get a life if you are British and support our home industries! God knows we need it, before We are just another sattelite of the 4th Reich.
Pissing myself laughing at this - clearly a troll, and a fine post.For the record, UK car production this year expected to be 1.6M or so, highest in 10 years, 75%+ exported. Nissan in Washington makes more cars than Italy. I think we're doing just fine!
kambites said:
skyrover said:
The body is only 76.2 inches wide
Hmm, to put that in perspective, the UK's best selling car is 67.8 inches wide excluding mirrors. The widest car in the top ten is 71.3 inches wide. Now obviously I'm not saying the F-Pace should be the same width as a Fiesta or even a C-class, but there's no getting away from the fact that it's a very wide car. 
Agreed it is wide by UK standards, but fairly par for the course in it's class.
chrispj said:
skyrover said:
Agreed it is wide by UK standards, but fairly par for the course in it's class.
IMO the entire class is made up of overly fat heffalumps...Most new car's are in the 70-74 inch width mark nowadays thanks to tough side impact testing.
Maldini35 said:
jamieduff1981 said:
Maldini35 said:
From the article and the thread it seems the F-pace is another over- priced Jag which looks ok but falls short on build quality and interior.
Shame.
If such things matter (this is Pistonheads afterall), it also sounds like Jaguar is still the premium brand choice for people who want a nice interior but want rewarding driving dynamics more.Shame.
If you're not interested in the dynamics then fine, but some people are. Jaguar have been building cars that are better to drive than the competition on a like-for-like model basis for years now. Their development effort is bias towards steering and suspension set up. The Germans are bias towards soft touch plastics and infotainment screens.
I personally think it's mental to spend the same amount of money on a similar product that drives worse on the basis that it has more buttons inside but hey, that's my personal buying criteria talking.
As you say Jag should be praised for focusing on dynamics over interior finish and infotainment but a great handling SUV is like sporty stilts in my eyes - a bit pointless. It could be argued that if you really valued dynamics you probably wouldn't choose an SUV (or stilts).
And at the prices Jag is asking should we have to put up with slightly duff interiors and outdated infotainment in order to get a nice handling car? It's just a shame we can't have it all.
I should also state for the record that I'm not a fan of the Q5 or Macan either so no bias.
It's no different to a relatively young father (i.e. me) choosing a Sunday car by trying to identify the fastest, loudest, sexiest and most visceral car I happen to be able to fit my daughters in to, and ending up with a 2+2 seater Cerbera. One could somewhat dimly argue that if I really cared about driving I would look for a 2 seater as there are many more good cars that fill the rest of the brief well. Unfortunately they all fall down as being of limited use to my particular application.
Too many Pistonheaders have cross-wired brains which consider that fun and family cannot go together. If it has to tick some practical boxes, it can't be fun or if you want any fun at all, you can't have practically etc etc. If you think about it, that blows the entire raison d'être of the ubiquitous BMW M3 out of the water. If you really cared about driving, you won't start with a mass-produced BMW sales rep car...
They're not making roads or parking spaces any wider... Not a problem in America where they'll be hoping to sell lots of them, but in our crowded little island... I'd like to buy a comfy SUV because I'm fed up of the speed bumps round our way, but I'd also like to be able to park in the local car parks and still be able to open my door to get out or to squeeze past an oncoming car without having to reverse half a mile up in the narrow Dartmoor lanes. If you add 10 - 20cm on to the width of both cars then suddenly there's not much room for manoeuvre in either case.
chrispj said:
They're not making roads or parking spaces any wider... Not a problem in America where they'll be hoping to sell lots of them, but in our crowded little island... I'd like to buy a comfy SUV because I'm fed up of the speed bumps round our way, but I'd also like to be able to park in the local car parks and still be able to open my door to get out or to squeeze past an oncoming car without having to reverse half a mile up in the narrow Dartmoor lanes. If you add 10 - 20cm on to the width of both cars then suddenly there's not much room for manoeuvre in either case.
Around where I am (west Cheshire) I'd say the vast majority of premium SUVs, especially LandRover products, are driven by women and, sweeping generalisation, women don't concern themselves about door dings and dents while parked. If Jag are aiming for the same market in the UK then they'll be fine.A friend of my wife's drives a Mercedes GL and she seemed baffled when I asked her about difficulty finding parking spaces.
Sheepshanks said:
chrispj said:
They're not making roads or parking spaces any wider... Not a problem in America where they'll be hoping to sell lots of them, but in our crowded little island... I'd like to buy a comfy SUV because I'm fed up of the speed bumps round our way, but I'd also like to be able to park in the local car parks and still be able to open my door to get out or to squeeze past an oncoming car without having to reverse half a mile up in the narrow Dartmoor lanes. If you add 10 - 20cm on to the width of both cars then suddenly there's not much room for manoeuvre in either case.
Around where I am (west Cheshire) I'd say the vast majority of premium SUVs, especially LandRover products, are driven by women and, sweeping generalisation, women don't concern themselves about door dings and dents while parked. If Jag are aiming for the same market in the UK then they'll be fine.A friend of my wife's drives a Mercedes GL and she seemed baffled when I asked her about difficulty finding parking spaces.
My wife is very conscientious about door dings. Even my mother who's the furthest thing from a petrolhead would be mortified to damage someone else's car.
jamieduff1981 said:
I don't think that's women - that's just your average member of the public who aren't interested in other peoples' property.
My wife is very conscientious about door dings. Even my mother who's the furthest thing from a petrolhead would be mortified to damage someone else's car.
I was thinking the other way around - getting door dents etc doesn't seem to bother women. My wife's Tiguan got one first trip out in it - she wasn't happy, but said "what am supposed to do, not use it?" Apparently "go shopping less" wasn't the right answer.My wife is very conscientious about door dings. Even my mother who's the furthest thing from a petrolhead would be mortified to damage someone else's car.
Sheepshanks said:
Around where I am (west Cheshire) I'd say the vast majority of premium SUVs, especially LandRover products, are driven by women and, sweeping generalisation, women don't concern themselves about door dings and dents while parked. If Jag are aiming for the same market in the UK then they'll be fine.
A friend of my wife's drives a Mercedes GL and she seemed baffled when I asked her about difficulty finding parking spaces.
saw one yesterday for the first time. in white, women driving it. looked big. cool story A friend of my wife's drives a Mercedes GL and she seemed baffled when I asked her about difficulty finding parking spaces.
In another sweeping generalisation, most I see are over the lines into the next space, or left with half the boot sticking out beyond the end of the space. There's very few where they've even attempted to fit between the white lines, which is kind of understandable when if you do then when you come back someone will be parked up against you and there's no space to open the door.
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