RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Review
Discussion
gizlaroc said:
I had an Octavia VRs estate as a loan car when my X3 was in the shop, which I think is what you drive as a daily?
No, my daily is the Elise. The Octavia is my wife's car. Hardly a fair comparison though because you're comparing a £25k(?) BMW with a £16k Skoda. I'd rather have a 3-series estate than either.
ETA: I've nothing against other people buying the thing, I just can't personally understand the appeal of driving on stilts.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 25th August 13:42
chrispj said:
skyrover said:
I think your being a bit hysterical, and no... it's not over 2 meters wide.
Where did you get your figures? Both the latest What Car and the Jaguar website think it's over 2m wide and I'm inclined to trust them more than you...Edited by skyrover on Thursday 25th August 08:05
Most car's are approx 2 meters wide when the mirrors are taken into account
The body is only 76.2 inches wide
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/jaguar/2017-jaguar-f-...
Length in. (mm) 186.3 (4,731)
Width inc./ excl. mirrors in. (mm) 86.6 / 76.2 (2,175 / 1,936)
Height in. (mm) 65.6 / 65 (1,667/ 1,652)
Wheelbase in. (mm) 113.1 (2,874)
Track front/ rear in. (mm) 64.6 / 65.1 (1,641 / 1,654)
Ground clearance in. (mm) 8.4 (213)
Weight lbs. (kg) From 3,913 (1,775)
It's a pretty light car too looking at the stats.
Edited by skyrover on Thursday 25th August 13:35
skyrover said:
The body is only 76.2 inches wide
Hmm, to put that in perspective, the UK's best selling car is 67.8 inches wide excluding mirrors. The widest car in the top ten is 71.3 inches wide. Now obviously I'm not saying the F-Pace should be the same width as a Fiesta or even a C-class, but there's no getting away from the fact that it's a very wide car. fivepointnine said:
MonkeyMatt said:
I wonder how this will compare
Don't think there will be much to compare, I am pretty sure the Maserati will be MUCH more expensive.Edited by MonkeyMatt on Thursday 25th August 13:41
bertie said:
My new shape RR sport has just gone, I'll not miss the recalls, lethargic response, hopeless infotainment, general quality issues and dealer frustration.
Replaced by a Tesla S, love it!
It's a shame to hear that, I'd hoped that LR were getting their act together quality wise, from what I've heard they're better screwed together than the older ones, although I have to agree, when I drove that new Vogue I didn't like the infotainment setup at all.Replaced by a Tesla S, love it!
I think ideally I'd like to keep my older one and get another AMG product to go with it!!.
Teslas are pretty cool, how does it work out as an everyday car charge wise etc?.
lostkiwi said:
I've had SUVs and 4x4s and estates and SUVs are immensely more practical than an estate.
At the end of the day its personal choice but if it were me buying an SUV it wouldn't be an F-Pace - they just don't do anything at all for me looks wise.
Is it the length of an estate that puts you off?At the end of the day its personal choice but if it were me buying an SUV it wouldn't be an F-Pace - they just don't do anything at all for me looks wise.
Clivey said:
MonkeyMatt said:
I wonder how this will compare
If that interior's from the same car, the person who specced it needs...err...specs!Edited by MonkeyMatt on Thursday 25th August 13:41
And it is a great colour combo!!
kambites said:
No, my daily is the Elise. The Octavia is my wife's car.
Hardly a fair comparison though because you're comparing a £25k(?) BMW with a £16k Skoda. I'd rather have a 3-series estate than either.
ETA: I've nothing against other people buying the thing, I just can't personally understand the appeal of driving on stilts.
But then I bet far more people don't understand the Elise as a daily? Hardly a fair comparison though because you're comparing a £25k(?) BMW with a £16k Skoda. I'd rather have a 3-series estate than either.
ETA: I've nothing against other people buying the thing, I just can't personally understand the appeal of driving on stilts.
At least we have options.
I like the f pace but I would never own one or any land rover product simply because I live near Gaydon and it would annoy me immensely spending that much on a car to then see every tom dick and harry who works at jlr driving round in the same model for free and usually driven poorly.
RenesisEvo said:
jamieduff1981 said:
I'd have been housebound for a week in January with roads flooding, which the higher ground clearance and high air intake of the 4x4 type vehicle wasn't affected by.
Raised air intakes do not automatically add wading ability (they are primarily for dusty environments, e.g. convoys on unsealed roads). Sometimes there are other factors that limit wading before you get to the engine air intake, e.g. electronics modules, diff breathers. The F-Pace is quoted at a wading depth of over 0.5m; I think I'd be re-considering what on earth I'm attempting before I got to that level. Especially when its claimed it can take less than 0.3m of moving water to displace a car.Edited by RenesisEvo on Thursday 25th August 12:23
kambites said:
Whilst I agree with the gist of your post, this is one leap of logic which lots of people make that I've never understood. If I ever had to drive a family car day-to-day, I'd fight tooth and nail to be able to drive an estate car or even an MPV rather than an SUV. I've always been a bit bemused as to why anyone who enjoys driving enthsiastically would be happy to sit two feet up in the air.
I used to feel exactly the same way, I reasoned that if 95% of my time was stuck behind a line of muppets doing 40 in an nsl, then it was still worth crashing along in a rocket ship to enjoy the 5% when the universe unexpectedly presents you with a ribbon of clear tarmac. Then a couple of tiny people move into your house, if that wern't bad enough they insist on coming with you everywhere. You only pull off a 4 car overtake once before the limiter takes over, and she's sat in the passenger seat with that 'if you do that again you'll be looking for a new place to live' look on her face. At this point the rocket ship completely loses its appeal and you get a track car and a big ass wallowing automatic SUV which is what the passenger always wanted anyway.Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 25th August 17:33
fblm said:
You only pull off a 4 car overtake once before the limiter takes over, and she's sat in the passenger seat with that 'if you do that again you'll be looking for a new place to live' look on her face.
I think this is the point I'd trade the "limited" version in for a more enjoyable model. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life. 
je777 said:
And why did they decide that we'd like to feel like we're still at work, with a computer screen to look at?
Absolutely spot on....I bloody hate computer screens in new cars.They look scruffy with finger prints and remind you of work.
I just want to jump in the car and forget it all! just like the old days.
John
jamieduff1981 said:
Jaguar have been building cars that are better to drive than the competition on a like-for-like model basis for years now. Their development effort is bias towards steering and suspension set up. The Germans are bias towards soft touch plastics and infotainment screens.
First time I hear a Jag supposedly being a better drive than e.g. a Porsche. Any reference why an obese oversteery F-Type should better a Cayman, except for revving through the oversized fart-cans at traffic lights to attract teenage car spotters?Replace the 'Jag' for Lotus and I'd agree
To remain on topic, I don't understand Jaguar's pricing policy, seems to sit between the chairs. The entry models are quite basic so that badge snobbery becomes irrelevant and buyers' focus would potentially be on cheaper models from Skoda (brand new Kodiaq), Seat or Renault. At the higher price point their brand can't compete with Porsche on image so that buyers - understandably - go for the Macan.
Edited by DamnKraut on Thursday 25th August 20:36
fblm said:
kambites said:
Whilst I agree with the gist of your post, this is one leap of logic which lots of people make that I've never understood. If I ever had to drive a family car day-to-day, I'd fight tooth and nail to be able to drive an estate car or even an MPV rather than an SUV. I've always been a bit bemused as to why anyone who enjoys driving enthsiastically would be happy to sit two feet up in the air.
I used to feel exactly the same way, I reasoned that if 95% of my time was stuck behind a line of muppets doing 40 in an nsl, then it was still worth crashing along in a rocket ship to enjoy the 5% when the universe unexpectedly presents you with a ribbon of clear tarmac. Then a couple of tiny people move into your house, if that wern't bad enough they insist on coming with you everywhere. You only pull off a 4 car overtake once before the limiter takes over, and she's sat in the passenger seat with that 'if you do that again you'll be looking for a new place to live' look on her face. At this point the rocket ship completely loses its appeal and you get a track car and a big ass wallowing automatic SUV which is what the passenger always wanted anyway.In other words, make a bloody XE estate Jaguar in case I ever do need a practical daily driver.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 25th August 21:05
kambites said:
This is rather off topic but I can entirely understand the point of having a nice wafty practical car rather than a sports car if typical driving conditions and requirements favour it; it's just that for me an estate does that just as well as an SUV (since I don't off-road) while, like for like, being slightly less hateful to drive when one does get the chance to enjoy oneself.
It's not just the extra ground clearance that is useful or even neccessary for some, but also if (as many are) in the position of having to transport elderly parents with hip/leg/arthitis/etc issue's, a relatively low by comparison estate isn't really an option. I used to have a huge issue having to lift up/down my late Mum into/out of my 135i, and a 3 series wagon wouldn't have been any better in this respect. The same point about nippers being lifted into child seats could be valid a reason too.I'm lucky, in that by the end of the year I'll have a serious fun toy for weekends tucked up in the garage, so as much as I'm going to massively miss the 135i when it goes, I'll be content to waft around in a X5 instead. At least I won't be wincing every other week at the thought of trying to negotiate rough farm tracks.
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