RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Review
Discussion
skyrover said:
Excluding mirrors...
Range Rover
Width: 78.1 in (1984 mm)
Length: 196.8 in (4,999 mm) LWB: 204.7 in (5,199 mm)
Suburban
Width: 80.5 in (2,045 mm)
Length: 224.4 in (5,700 mm)
Are you sure that's not the last generation or Range Rover? Everywhere I can see lists the current one as 2073mm without mirrors (2220 with them!). Range Rover
Width: 78.1 in (1984 mm)
Length: 196.8 in (4,999 mm) LWB: 204.7 in (5,199 mm)
Suburban
Width: 80.5 in (2,045 mm)
Length: 224.4 in (5,700 mm)
kambites said:
skyrover said:
Excluding mirrors...
Range Rover
Width: 78.1 in (1984 mm)
Length: 196.8 in (4,999 mm) LWB: 204.7 in (5,199 mm)
Suburban
Width: 80.5 in (2,045 mm)
Length: 224.4 in (5,700 mm)
Are you sure that's not the last generation or Range Rover? Everywhere I can see lists the current one as 2073mm without mirrors (2220 with them!). Range Rover
Width: 78.1 in (1984 mm)
Length: 196.8 in (4,999 mm) LWB: 204.7 in (5,199 mm)
Suburban
Width: 80.5 in (2,045 mm)
Length: 224.4 in (5,700 mm)
http://www.caranddriver.com/land-rover/range-rover...
The f-pace is fairly compact regardless.
Length 4,731 mm (186.3 in)
Width 1,936 mm (76.2 in)
skyrover said:
For some reason land rover have included the folded mirror stub's in their measurements.... the body width is "only" 78.1 inches
http://www.caranddriver.com/land-rover/range-rover...
Ah OK, that explains the discrepancy. http://www.caranddriver.com/land-rover/range-rover...
Still the Suburban is certainly fills up a smaller proportion of the average road in the states than the Range Rover does in the UK.
kambites said:
skyrover said:
For some reason land rover have included the folded mirror stub's in their measurements.... the body width is "only" 78.1 inches
http://www.caranddriver.com/land-rover/range-rover...
Ah OK, that explains the discrepancy. http://www.caranddriver.com/land-rover/range-rover...
Still the Suburban is certainly fills up a smaller proportion of the average road in the states than the Range Rover does in the UK.
They just love splurging lots of extra tarmac on inner and outer shoulders, making the physical paved areas much wider and giving the illusion of space
skyrover said:
Believe it or not, the yanks share the same minimum highway lane width as the UK (3.7m).
Well yes, Range Rovers are absolutely fine on the motorway because motorway lanes are enormous... I'm sure the US has little single-track country roads like the UK's as well but the odds of meeting a car coming the other way on them is considerably lower and they have far less tendency to have hedges or walls right up to the edge of them. skyrover said:
Yes... and most american rural roads were built to minimum width restrictions, unlike ancient British rights of way.
Indeed, which is a large part of the reason I'd quite happily own a Suburban in the US but would never consider a Range Rover in the UK. 
Still, as you say the F-pace isn't that wide (although it's still pretty damned big for country roads).
je777 said:
MyCC said:
je777 said:
I'd feel nothing but mockery for anyone who bought that. Fifty grand? Why?
Presumably if you're buying this you have a family.
If you're interested in cars, buy a V10 M5 for half that and have plenty left for any problems it has.
If you're not interested in cars, buy a secondhand Volvo. Or if you are, buy the secondhand Volvo and then buy a sports car to go with it.
Ah, but this is about driving a big car and feeling big.
Good grief, the psychology behind this is laughable.
But that viewpoint ignores the fact that SUVs sell and sell in big numbers. The F-Pace will sell like cakes fresh from the oven as looks and badge are hugely important to the aspirational market it is aimed at.Presumably if you're buying this you have a family.
If you're interested in cars, buy a V10 M5 for half that and have plenty left for any problems it has.
If you're not interested in cars, buy a secondhand Volvo. Or if you are, buy the secondhand Volvo and then buy a sports car to go with it.
Ah, but this is about driving a big car and feeling big.
Good grief, the psychology behind this is laughable.
Regards,
MyCC
People have to buy new cars because of company deals - as the person above says - they don't have to buy SUVs.
They don't buy SUVs because they're faster, safer, cheaper, more economical, more comfortable - because they're not.
They buy them because they're big - and that gives people a feeling of superiority.
RenesisEvo said:
Worrying that the dealer seems to lack knowledge of his own product.
Par for the course these days, no matter which manufacturer it is.....but, when 95% of their customer base are even more clueless, to the majority of customers, dealer staff appear to be the font of all knowledge.je777 said:
I'd feel nothing but mockeryjealousy for anyone who bought that. Fifty grand? Why? because they can and they do
Presumably if you're buying this you have a family.
If you're interested in cars, buy a V10 M5 for half that and have plenty left for anyproblemspetrol it hasneeds.
If you're not interested in cars, buy a secondhand Volvo. mmm nice choice Or if you are, buy the secondhand Volvo and then buy a sports car to go with it.
Ah, but this is about driving a big car and feeling big. Are you a Corbyn supporter ? It's a still free country we live in
Good grief, the psychology behindthismy reasoning is laughable.
Presumably if you're buying this you have a family.
If you're interested in cars, buy a V10 M5 for half that and have plenty left for any
If you're not interested in cars, buy a secondhand Volvo. mmm nice choice Or if you are, buy the secondhand Volvo and then buy a sports car to go with it.
Ah, but this is about driving a big car and feeling big. Are you a Corbyn supporter ? It's a still free country we live in
Good grief, the psychology behind
One of the best looking SUVs. Also shows that black alloy wheels do look better on cars unlike the opinions on that previous thread.
Funny how people get so worked up on the interior. I hope that those who spec their cars high have £10k TVs, £10k sofas and £10k beds. Am amazed what people pay for high specs in cars yet their homes are full of argos and ikea junk.
£50k for any car that is not a used supercar is a rip off let alone a SUV but most will be buying on finance so whatever...
I will consider one for the wife in 10 yrs time when they are closer to £5k.
Running a supercar as a daily is cheaper than buy a new F Pace.
Funny how people get so worked up on the interior. I hope that those who spec their cars high have £10k TVs, £10k sofas and £10k beds. Am amazed what people pay for high specs in cars yet their homes are full of argos and ikea junk.
£50k for any car that is not a used supercar is a rip off let alone a SUV but most will be buying on finance so whatever...
I will consider one for the wife in 10 yrs time when they are closer to £5k.
Running a supercar as a daily is cheaper than buy a new F Pace.
Edited by Audemars on Wednesday 24th August 09:48
langlord said:
Totally agree with the standard of interior comment, at entry spec its very good on the S its below par. Hence our order was cancelled and a macan gts arrives in a month.
How sad. The button fetishists buy a car because the buttons are better although it is just a slighly reconfigured Audi, which in turn is a mildly reconfigured VW. Yet no mention of the dynamic capability, equipment, the fact it is built in the UK, the ride, engine choices, looks, just about the buuttons. The arrogant power of the Porsche badge. Enjoy your VW Audi Porschar.
So it's £50k+ for the one you'd want. So what? The list price of cars seems to become less and less relevant, as most people plump for some sort of lease deal. Indeed, I often wonder whether car manufacturers have pushed up the price of cars on purpose to ensure that people plump for the 'cheap' looking lease deal. Provides guaranteed revenue for the manufacturers and regular product replacement by consumers who will never pay off the enormous final balloon payment. A win-win for manufacturers.
smilo996 said:
langlord said:
Totally agree with the standard of interior comment, at entry spec its very good on the S its below par. Hence our order was cancelled and a macan gts arrives in a month.
How sad. The button fetishists buy a car because the buttons are better although it is just a slighly reconfigured Audi, which in turn is a mildly reconfigured VW. Yet no mention of the dynamic capability, equipment, the fact it is built in the UK, the ride, engine choices, looks, just about the buuttons. The arrogant power of the Porsche badge.
Drive a Macan back to back with a Q5 and you'd be hard pressed to believe there is any connection whatsoever, as the Macan is leagues ahead of the Q5 in terms of dynamics.
I've spent the past 4-5 months looking at all of these for a potential buy, so that's Macan/Q5/F-Pace/X5/X3 plus a few left field choices as well.
The Macan does have issues, but, the chassis isn't one of them, its the best driving car out of the lot.....and so it should for the money it costs.
As other poster has said, I also really wanted to like the F-Pace, but, sadly, just couldn't. The trouble is at the high price point it's too close to other options....which is why we'll see lots of 2.0d versions around.
Audemars said:
One of the best looking SUVs. Also shows that black alloy wheels do look better on cars unlike the opinions on that previous thread.
Funny how people get so worked up on the interior. I hope that those who spec their cars high have £10k TVs, £10k sofas and £10k beds. Am amazed what people pay for high specs in cars yet their homes are full of argos and ikea junk.
£50k for any car that is not a used supercar is a rip off let alone a SUV but most will be buying on finance so whatever...
I will consider one for the wife in 10 yrs time when they are closer to £5k.
Running a supercar as a daily is cheaper than buy a new F Pace.
But most people would much rather have one of these as a daily car than a supercar! Funny how people get so worked up on the interior. I hope that those who spec their cars high have £10k TVs, £10k sofas and £10k beds. Am amazed what people pay for high specs in cars yet their homes are full of argos and ikea junk.
£50k for any car that is not a used supercar is a rip off let alone a SUV but most will be buying on finance so whatever...
I will consider one for the wife in 10 yrs time when they are closer to £5k.
Running a supercar as a daily is cheaper than buy a new F Pace.
Edited by Audemars on Wednesday 24th August 09:48
RenOHH said:
je777 said:
And what is that aspiration? To impress other people.
Says a lot.
Often strangers.
Says more.
Impress them with your car.
Says even more.
That's not someone who is a fan of cars - that's someone with the ego control of a 7 year old.
You have problems.Says a lot.
Often strangers.
Says more.
Impress them with your car.
Says even more.
That's not someone who is a fan of cars - that's someone with the ego control of a 7 year old.
I have a 458, F10 M5 and X5M50d (my first ever 4x4). My experience is that in the real world of traffic jams, wet roads, commuting, etc, no other car i've ever owned competes with the X5. Total comfort, oodles of Torque and a totall chilled environment. I am sure many other 4x4' would be similar. So much so i've now got rid of the M5 as it was always 2nd or 3rd choice car. Just my honest experience and certainly not drivem by me needing to promote 'an image'.
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