RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Review

RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Review

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aeropilot

34,302 posts

226 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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garym3m5 said:
I'll second that. I am happy for everybody to have an opinion, but nobody likes a know all throwing insults around.
I have a 458, F10 M5 and X5M50d (my first ever 4x4). My experience is that in the real world of traffic jams, wet roads, commuting, etc, no other car i've ever owned competes with the X5. Total comfort, oodles of Torque and a totall chilled environment. I am sure many other 4x4' would be similar. So much so i've now got rid of the M5 as it was always 2nd or 3rd choice car. Just my honest experience and certainly not drivem by me needing to promote 'an image'.
yes

Within a few months I'll be doing the same, albeit 'slumming it' with a mere 4.0d version laugh to replace my 135i for all the reasons you've mentioned plus it makes a fine tow car too, for when/if I have need to transport the hot rod anywhere on a car trailer for whatever reason.

bertie

8,545 posts

283 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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kambites said:
skyrover said:
The RR, Q7 or XC90 are still fairly compact against the full sized SUV's such as the Tahoe, Suburban and Expedition
It might just be a factor of the roads I've driven them on, but the Range Rover feels a fair bit wider than the big American SUVs.
They might not be as huge as the American behemoths, but I found our RR sport obstructively wide for UK roads.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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I don't find my RR Sport particularly wide at all.
On the F Pace, I've never been keen on Jags but in fairness to it, it looks good and will no doubt earn them plenty of money, good luck to them.

Domf

286 posts

154 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Jaguar build cars for the WORLD!, not just the UK. In America the prestige saloon (Jaguar have XJ, XF presence) is shrinking and replaced by the SUV/4x4, RR sales in the US prove that. Jaguar needed a presence in this growing market, all the way back to the early days of Jaguar the US has been an important market, they have to be seen to be on trend.
Jaguar cannot rely on the old format middle, large saloons and a sport coupe/convertible to survive. They have to diversify into niche markets, the German manufacturers success in recent years are to develop a multitude of these markets, remember the days of BMW 3,5,6 & 7, A4, A6 & A8 and C,E,S & SL class, now add about 20 other ranges to each of them.

bertie

8,545 posts

283 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Walter Sobchak said:
I don't find my RR Sport particularly wide at all.
On the F Pace, I've never been keen on Jags but in fairness to it, it looks good and will no doubt earn them plenty of money, good luck to them.
Is yours the old model?

The new one is seriously wide for normal UK roads and a total pain in villages and cities.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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je777 said:
I'd feel nothing but mockery for anyone who bought that. Fifty grand? Why?
Presumably if you're buying this you have a family.
If you're interested in cars, buy a V10 M5 for half that and have plenty left for any problems it has.
If you're not interested in cars, buy a secondhand Volvo. Or if you are, buy the secondhand Volvo and then buy a sports car to go with it.
Ah, but this is about driving a big car and feeling big.
Good grief, the psychology behind this is laughable.
You want to talk about the psychology of someone who feels the need to anonymously deride people they don't know about the car they buy on a car website? What do you drive?

Maldini35

2,913 posts

187 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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From the article and the thread it seems the F-pace is another over- priced Jag which looks ok but falls short on build quality and interior.
Shame.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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bertie said:
Is yours the old model?

The new one is seriously wide for normal UK roads and a total pain in villages and cities.
Yes it's the old one, I have had a go in a new shape Vogue though and didn't find it significantly different in terms of size and manoeuvring it compared to the L322, but I've not lived with one for any length of time to be fair.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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garym3m5 said:
RenOHH said:
je777 said:
And what is that aspiration? To impress other people.

Says a lot.

Often strangers.

Says more.

Impress them with your car.

Says even more.

That's not someone who is a fan of cars - that's someone with the ego control of a 7 year old.
You have problems.
I'll second that. I am happy for everybody to have an opinion, but nobody likes a know all throwing insults around.
I have a 458, F10 M5 and X5M50d (my first ever 4x4). My experience is that in the real world of traffic jams, wet roads, commuting, etc, no other car i've ever owned competes with the X5. Total comfort, oodles of Torque and a totall chilled environment. I am sure many other 4x4' would be similar. So much so i've now got rid of the M5 as it was always 2nd or 3rd choice car. Just my honest experience and certainly not drivem by me needing to promote 'an image'.
You're wasting your breath...

je777 said:
I have no commute, the shop for milk is a 3 minute walk, I don't do DIY, no kids, have never 'done a run to the tip' in all my life (I don't know what you people are doing there so often) and actually have no practical need for a car whatsoever (hence currently have no car).
rolleyes

monamimate

838 posts

141 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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RenOHH said:
stuart-b said:
Are you going to be driving a plane or a car? Look at that centre console and all those buttons - no thanks!

Every button separated by a chrome strip - absolutely horrible. Spent a day driving a Panamera and hated the buttons. Porsche can do no wrong; their customer satisfaction survey results indicate people fking LOVE Porsches.
I LOVE the buttons in my Porsche, especially the chrome bits in between.

Also, far safer than having to look down at a screen to select simple functions such as heating, volume etc...


Clivey

5,108 posts

203 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Another crossover lump that's pointless other than for posing. If I just wanted a road car with a big boot, the XF Sportbrake is ideal...and much nicer!

As a 4x4...just no. hehe Discovery every time. Maybe that's why I was the one pulling people out of the mud at Le Mans whilst the Cayennes and X5s were parked on firm ground!

GCH

3,984 posts

201 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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fblm said:
Looks great. Given the difficulties manufacturers seem to have 'translating' their designs into SUV its a fantastic first effort. I don't think they'll be able to build enough for the US market.
By the bucketload I reckon...
Certainly driving the XJ-L over here, lots of people ask about it in parking lots
The British Jaguar brand carries a cachet and a premium it would seem - lease prices are certainly quite high for them.

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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I think that's a really good looking car.


anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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monamimate said:
I LOVE the buttons in my Porsche, especially the chrome bits in between.

Also, far safer than having to look down at a screen to select simple functions such as heating, volume etc...
Ha there you go! Not my taste, but people love it. I personally found the chrome caught the light and distracted me from identifying the button labels. Hey ho.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

223 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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je777 said:
I'd feel nothing but mockery for anyone who bought that. Fifty grand? Why?
Presumably if you're buying this you have a family.
If you're interested in cars, buy a V10 M5 for half that and have plenty left for any problems it has.
If you're not interested in cars, buy a secondhand Volvo. Or if you are, buy the secondhand Volvo and then buy a sports car to go with it.
Ah, but this is about driving a big car and feeling big.
Good grief, the psychology behind this is laughable.
je777 said:
And what is that aspiration? To impress other people.

Says a lot.

Often strangers.

Says more.

Impress them with your car.

Says even more.

That's not someone who is a fan of cars - that's someone with the ego control of a 7 year old.
Haha, what a complete an utter bell end.

I wish people like you would put what car you have in your profile so we can at least see where you are coming from?

I hated my M5, the SMG in the F10 simply didn't suit the car imho.

And I am afraid, most SUVs are more comfortable than their estate counterpart, and have a far more laid back feel to them when driving, hence the appeal for many.


If you are going to answer at least give some examples you have owned to give yourself a little bit of credit in the next load of st you spurt out of your mouth.

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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gizlaroc said:
I hated my M5, the SMG in the F10 simply didn't suit the car imho.
No SMG in the F10, it has DCT which is superb in the F10.



anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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gizlaroc said:
Haha, what a complete an utter bell end.

I wish people like you would put what car you have in your profile so we can at least see where you are coming from?
He doesn't have one. He just talks st about other peoples. Ignore.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

223 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Wills2 said:
No SMG in the F10, it has DCT which is superb in the F10.

I meant E61.

Yeah the DCT in the F10 suits it far better.
That is why I thought the Alpina was probably the better option in the E60/1 era.


Speedgirl

291 posts

166 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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RenOHH said:
monamimate said:
I LOVE the buttons in my Porsche, especially the chrome bits in between.

Also, far safer than having to look down at a screen to select simple functions such as heating, volume etc...
Ha there you go! Not my taste, but people love it. I personally found the chrome caught the light and distracted me from identifying the button labels. Hey ho.
The transmission tunnel buttons are very good, being big and separated by dividers means you can memorise where they are and count them with your fingers without taking your eyes off the road. But I agree re the chrome, you can de chrome everything else but them, a soft brushed aluminium finish would be nice. I think an email to Zuffenhausen is in order.

768

13,602 posts

95 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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£35k for a 2.0... fine. 50% more to get into a 3L model? I'm out!