Price of a tiler per m2
Discussion
I got quoted £45m2 to lay 50m2 of limestone, so I did it myself. (obvs)
It took me bloody ages, I used a ton of adhesive and ruined my knees for any ballet I might get round to doing sometime in the future.
By the time I'd finished I was buggered and 45m2 sounded like a complete bargain.
It took me bloody ages, I used a ton of adhesive and ruined my knees for any ballet I might get round to doing sometime in the future.
By the time I'd finished I was buggered and 45m2 sounded like a complete bargain.
dickymint said:
buy all materials and ask for a day rate?
Have you seen the level of markup applied to tiling materials between trade and retail list? It's huge. And the prices vary wildly between suppliers depending on what brands they prefer. That's one place you won't make a saving unless you're lucky enough to have the right contacts. Sometimes you'll get a thing where you get given a discount coupon by the tiler to go buy stuff yourself 'cheap'; the scam is they're getting paid something equivalent to the discount to send your business over (eg. normal trade discount would be retail -30%, 'special coupon' gives you -15% off retail, trade account holder gets the other 15% for the recommendation, retailer still has normal trade margin) so you pay the same or more as letting them buy it & invoicing you.
Also a lot of tilers will have strong preferences about the adhesives etc. they use so if you buy BAL and they wanted Mapei they might not be happy.
Plus they tend to get a upset anyway if you steal their chance to make a bit on the materials, unless they're getting it via the backdoor anyway as described above.
So day rate w. own bought materials would be difficult to organise and likely not a saving anyway.
(Edited to add; when I was doing some DIY tiling I actually went through the effort of getting a trade account set up with one of the major tiling outlets. Straight 30% off retail list. And those prices still weren't that good compared to what I eventually sorted out elsewhere at 'proper' full discount trade rates. Buying tiles & related stuff at retail is a monumental ripoff)
Edited by Jonesy23 on Tuesday 23 August 21:59
Yeah tilers will rake it in with materials mark up, I'm not a tiler by trade but I do enough bathrooms and kitchens to enjoy a 50-70% discount at a local tile place. Took my father in law round their shop to pick tiles for his en suite and he liked these glazed porcelain large format tiles priced at £58sqm. I managed to buy them at £19sqm. Spacers and epoxy grout were thrown in free of charge too.
Its the one trade I would actually go in to if I wasn't doing what I do.
ps, with a bit of YouTube, patience and common sense tiling isn't all that hard to get the hang of.
Its the one trade I would actually go in to if I wasn't doing what I do.
ps, with a bit of YouTube, patience and common sense tiling isn't all that hard to get the hang of.
Jonesy23 said:
dickymint said:
buy all materials and ask for a day rate?
Have you seen the level of markup applied to tiling materials between trade and retail list? It's huge. And the prices vary wildly between suppliers depending on what brands they prefer. That's one place you won't make a saving unless you're lucky enough to have the right contacts. Sometimes you'll get a thing where you get given a discount coupon by the tiler to go buy stuff yourself 'cheap'; the scam is they're getting paid something equivalent to the discount to send your business over (eg. normal trade discount would be retail -30%, 'special coupon' gives you -15% off retail, trade account holder gets the other 15% for the recommendation, retailer still has normal trade margin) so you pay the same or more as letting them buy it & invoicing you.
Also a lot of tilers will have strong preferences about the adhesives etc. they use so if you buy BAL and they wanted Mapei they might not be happy.
Plus they tend to get a upset anyway if you steal their chance to make a bit on the materials, unless they're getting it via the backdoor anyway as described above.
So day rate w. own bought materials would be difficult to organise and likely not a saving anyway.
(Edited to add; when I was doing some DIY tiling I actually went through the effort of getting a trade account set up with one of the major tiling outlets. Straight 30% off retail list. And those prices still weren't that good compared to what I eventually sorted out elsewhere at 'proper' full discount trade rates. Buying tiles & related stuff at retail is a monumental ripoff)
Edited by Jonesy23 on Tuesday 23 August 21:59
Pricing by the sq metre is the rip off! OPs job is most 3 days work - day rate or nothing for me.
dickymint said:
Yep I know the mark up to the penny...Wifey manages the fabrication dept. for Mandarin Stone
Pricing by the sq metre is the rip off! OPs job is most 3 days work - day rate or nothing for me.
Funnily I would suggest the exact opposite. Pricing by the sq metre is the rip off! OPs job is most 3 days work - day rate or nothing for me.
Get a fixed cost for the job, which would effectively be based on a cost m2 / the tiler day rate + materials, both the same really. but fixed before the job is started.
Day rate is so open to exploitation. If you estimate its 3 days, what if it goes to a fourth? 4 days may be more than fixed m2 rate.
And if its fixed at 3 days, then its not day rate , its fixed.
Four Litre said:
Pints said:
Daft question but do the prices quoted by the OP include the cost of the tiles?
No!! I have bought the tiles, they came to £1050. So all fitting prices recieved so far cost more than that tiles. Got another price today £1900 (cash) including adhesive etc
Standard Ceramics, without need for special preparation, would be around £1100.
t job.Not much use to you OP but for that sort of quantity my old man has flown a couple of guys he uses out in Spain back to the UK to do his floors. Far cheaper than the guys he had quoting over here and the work is beyond reproach. Out there everyone has tiled or marble floors, stairs walls etc so it's a very common trade.
Little Lofty said:
£25/30 per m2 is nearer the mark. Any decent tiler should still make a good wage at those rates. Tiling is one of the easiest trades to learn, with a bit of patience anyone with decent diy skills can do it.
If we're talking about "tiles" as in ceramics that are precision made then yes for any "decent tiler" it can be straightforward. But when it comes to natural stone tiles/slabs it's a whole different ball game.No two tiles are the same in thickness, colouring and natural variations. It takes a trained eye and a lot of skill to sort through and lay a delivery of natural stone tiles to get a good result - trust me I know of many very very costly mistakes for both tiler and supplier!
When some "tiles" cost upward of £200 a sq metre (not fitted) it's no surprise some clients are a tad fussy
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