RE: Dodge Viper ACR: Spotted
Discussion
Goofnik said:
jmesgotav8 said:
I hope someone buys this an uses it at track days rather than just sticking it in a 'collection'. Bet that sounds epic at full throttle
American here. Been on more than enough track days with Vipers abound.They are loud, but they do not sound good. They are unquestionably the least inspiring sounding high-output (in terms of peak power, not specific output) engine currently in production.
What they have to compensate, however, are that they are absolute monsters. Your Corvette, 911, and even mid-engine V8 Ferrari are somewhat irrelevant with those things around. When I used to track an MX-5, my arm was basically always pointing out the window for point-bys. Now with a Boxster Spyder, they still humiliate me. Never mind in a straight line, but the cornering speeds those things manage with all that rubber is as high as you imagine. You lose ground basically everywhere to them.
Edited by Goofnik on Tuesday 23 August 17:05
Smokey32 said:
Vyse said:
8L and they only squeeze 600ish hp out of it.
Im sure it could make more of they downsized it to 5litres and stuck 2x turbos on it. Not really the point thoughOver 600lb/ft torque from a n/a engine is pretty awesome.
I would prefer the 8l tho...
Vyse said:
8L and they only squeeze 600ish hp out of it.
Not this s
t again!Generally speaking, the large unstressed engines favoured in the American market last a lot longer than the piddly tempramental and highly strung turbo units we have over here. - Look at Ford Crown Victoria police cars / taxis, for example. The last one I was in had over half a million miles on the clock and I only knew because I asked. That kind of lifespan is partly because they don't expect engines to deliver a high specific output (they're a little over 200 horsepower from a 4.6 V8) and infinite miles per gallon.
- European sports / supercar manufacturers (Ferrari, Porsche etc.) are hardly known as paragons of reliability; Comparing your average 911 repair bills with with a Corvette's I know which I'd rather be paying!
Aside from that, who DOESN'T want an 8+ litre V10, especially if it monsters comparably priced rivals on the track?
Clivey said:
Vyse said:
8L and they only squeeze 600ish hp out of it.
Not this st again!Generally speaking, the large unstressed engines favoured in the American market last a lot longer than the piddly tempramental and highly strung turbo units we have over here. - Look at Ford Crown Victoria police cars / taxis, for example. The last one I was in had over half a million miles on the clock and I only knew because I asked. That kind of lifespan is partly because they don't expect engines to deliver a high specific output (they're a little over 200 horsepower from a 4.6 V8) and infinite miles per gallon.
- European sports / supercar manufacturers (Ferrari, Porsche etc.) are hardly known as paragons of reliability; Comparing your average 911 repair bills with with a Corvette's I know which I'd rather be paying!
lol, really? waow.
I have a 2010 acr and it was 99db on standard exhaust so good for most tracks, I have t heard a gen v acr yet to compare it to so no idea how loud it is. Coming from a older 2002 gts to a 2010 acr was a a huge leap forwards. I recently drove mine all over Europe and it was a very usable car, at high speed with all that downforce I haven't driven anything that feels as planted. Very handy on a track too, vipers have a bad rep for being wild and untameable but that was early on in the beginning with the srt 10 of the 90's perhaps. As Harris said he was blown away with how good the car is and he hadn't driven one for a long time, probably the first viper and none of the gen 2/3 or 4 cars. I think many of you would be very surprised if you drive one of these cars now, as a driving experience they are right up there.
acr_nick said:
I have a 2010 acr and it was 99db on standard exhaust so good for most tracks, I have t heard a gen v acr yet to compare it to so no idea how loud it is. Coming from a older 2002 gts to a 2010 acr was a a huge leap forwards. I recently drove mine all over Europe and it was a very usable car, at high speed with all that downforce I haven't driven anything that feels as planted. Very handy on a track too, vipers have a bad rep for being wild and untameable but that was early on in the beginning with the Gen 1 RT/10 of the 90's perhaps. As Harris said he was blown away with how good the car is and he hadn't driven one for a long time, probably the first viper and none of the gen 2/3 or 4 cars. I think many of you would be very surprised if you drive one of these cars now, as a driving experience they are right up there.
EFA : Gen 1 RT/10s had different camber angle to the later Gen II and SRT/10 (Gen 3) Vipers. Also the gearbox gate took some getting used to and new owners of the car would get themselves into trouble shifting from 3rd to 4th (at speed) only to find they had pulled the stick back into 2nd! (rear would lock up and that's when the Viper Bit)! I am an Overseas Car dealer and a year ago I sold one of the first Challenger Hellcats into Italy. The guy who bought ( and loves ) the car has come across this very problem, albeit on a different model. The car developed a misfire on cylinder 4 and whilst the local FCA Dealer is very handy around a 500c, a supercharger 8 banger is different story. Every time he brought it to a garage, the locals would crowd around and exclaim 'sey punto quattro, si?...mamma miaaaa'
Great fun, but he has decided to rest the car until he can get a Certified US mechanic to look at it back in the US when he returns in 6 months.
Great fun, but he has decided to rest the car until he can get a Certified US mechanic to look at it back in the US when he returns in 6 months.
Latest news.......North Carolina Dealer buys 135 Vipers, the last of the GTCs and ACRs all Viper ordering is closed! 5th September 2016
Viper ACR,
"There is a lot of conversation about Gerry Wood Dodge and our recent and sudden acquisition of the 2017 Dodge Viper inventory. With so many opinions and conversation regarding this we felt it was important to lay out some facts, so that any final feelings can be based on facts and not misinformation.
I’d love to say that we ordered so many Vipers because of some conspiracy theory, insider hand-shake, corruption or that we duped the system, but we didn’t. It would be a more interesting story if we did, that’s for sure. It was this simple; I asked my Dodge reps if I could order some cars. They were happy to allow me to order as many as I wanted. It can only assume that the “big” viper dealers have not been placing orders for the cars to fill production, and Dodge was happy a dealer was interested. It should be noted that we have been very quietly selling several vipers on a monthly basis, and for 2016 we were #1 on the Southeastern USA for Viper sales, not garnering or asking for any attention.
How did we get GTC’s for stock? Simple really, Dodge said that with the volume we were buying we could order GTC’s for stock. We think the Viper is truly special, and we also happen to think that our special editions are truly special. Several people happen to agree, and perhaps time will tell what the buyers think as we send the prospective buyers the paint samples and collect deposits and deliver cars.
We initially posted all our orders with VON’s, so that buyers would have the ability to see what we had on order. However as of 10/3/16 72 of the cars have VIN’s and we are in the process of updating the listings. They should all be updated by Thursday morning. The remaining cars with VON’s are guaranteed to be built, as they are all in “C” status which means “scheduled-tentative schedule”. It is important to note that the reason we have not agreed to change our cars on order is really simple – Dodge will not let us. Once it has been picked up with a VIN it’s closed. We are straight-up about what we can and can’t do. If we can, we do. If we can’t, we don’t sugar coat it. I think the consumer would rather know the facts over what they want to hear. We’ll leave that to the politicians.
For those who think we are “cornering the market”, or will mark up our cars you all couldn’t be farther from the truth. I have never mark cars up over MSRP. In fact, you can search out all of our Hellcat buyers who purchased in the heyday of the Hellcat sales and see that not one client was even asked for a premium, clearly placing Gerry Wood Dodge in rare company.
I am very excited to hear that everyone still wants cars, and if we offended anyone then I truly apologize. We just saw that the orders were not being filled and the plant is closing down, so we wanted to make sure all these cars were produced. If anyone wishes to talk badly about us, we will let them get it off their chest without response. It certainly won’t be because they a bad experience in doing business with us. If you want to have fun buying a Viper, from a team of people who absolutely love this car, then we’ll be honored to be your Viper dealer.
Yours truly,
Brad Wood
Gerry Wood Dodge
www.gerrywoodviper.com
704-216-2686
PS: Feel free to call us and have conversations with us. Every car that we have coming has a complete description of all options specified for that exact car, and for one-of-one customer color and stripes even has the AkzoNobel color number listed. We have a Custom Color service whereby we ship to a perspective buyer the actual paint chip that the car is being painted. We will even send you the build sheet! If you like it and want it, simply sign it and send it back. You get that sample when you take delivery to match up with the vehicle. You know 100% what you're buying."
Viper ACR,
"There is a lot of conversation about Gerry Wood Dodge and our recent and sudden acquisition of the 2017 Dodge Viper inventory. With so many opinions and conversation regarding this we felt it was important to lay out some facts, so that any final feelings can be based on facts and not misinformation.
I’d love to say that we ordered so many Vipers because of some conspiracy theory, insider hand-shake, corruption or that we duped the system, but we didn’t. It would be a more interesting story if we did, that’s for sure. It was this simple; I asked my Dodge reps if I could order some cars. They were happy to allow me to order as many as I wanted. It can only assume that the “big” viper dealers have not been placing orders for the cars to fill production, and Dodge was happy a dealer was interested. It should be noted that we have been very quietly selling several vipers on a monthly basis, and for 2016 we were #1 on the Southeastern USA for Viper sales, not garnering or asking for any attention.
How did we get GTC’s for stock? Simple really, Dodge said that with the volume we were buying we could order GTC’s for stock. We think the Viper is truly special, and we also happen to think that our special editions are truly special. Several people happen to agree, and perhaps time will tell what the buyers think as we send the prospective buyers the paint samples and collect deposits and deliver cars.
We initially posted all our orders with VON’s, so that buyers would have the ability to see what we had on order. However as of 10/3/16 72 of the cars have VIN’s and we are in the process of updating the listings. They should all be updated by Thursday morning. The remaining cars with VON’s are guaranteed to be built, as they are all in “C” status which means “scheduled-tentative schedule”. It is important to note that the reason we have not agreed to change our cars on order is really simple – Dodge will not let us. Once it has been picked up with a VIN it’s closed. We are straight-up about what we can and can’t do. If we can, we do. If we can’t, we don’t sugar coat it. I think the consumer would rather know the facts over what they want to hear. We’ll leave that to the politicians.
For those who think we are “cornering the market”, or will mark up our cars you all couldn’t be farther from the truth. I have never mark cars up over MSRP. In fact, you can search out all of our Hellcat buyers who purchased in the heyday of the Hellcat sales and see that not one client was even asked for a premium, clearly placing Gerry Wood Dodge in rare company.
I am very excited to hear that everyone still wants cars, and if we offended anyone then I truly apologize. We just saw that the orders were not being filled and the plant is closing down, so we wanted to make sure all these cars were produced. If anyone wishes to talk badly about us, we will let them get it off their chest without response. It certainly won’t be because they a bad experience in doing business with us. If you want to have fun buying a Viper, from a team of people who absolutely love this car, then we’ll be honored to be your Viper dealer.
Yours truly,
Brad Wood
Gerry Wood Dodge
www.gerrywoodviper.com
704-216-2686
PS: Feel free to call us and have conversations with us. Every car that we have coming has a complete description of all options specified for that exact car, and for one-of-one customer color and stripes even has the AkzoNobel color number listed. We have a Custom Color service whereby we ship to a perspective buyer the actual paint chip that the car is being painted. We will even send you the build sheet! If you like it and want it, simply sign it and send it back. You get that sample when you take delivery to match up with the vehicle. You know 100% what you're buying."
Edited by fatboy18 on Wednesday 5th October 00:18
kambites said:
Goofnik said:
They are unquestionably the least inspiring sounding high-output (in terms of peak power, not specific output) engine currently in production.
You clearly haven't spent enough time around the current crop of stupidly powerful turbocharged four-pot European hot hatches. 
mylesmcd said:
Clivey said:
Vyse said:
8L and they only squeeze 600ish hp out of it.
Not this st again!Generally speaking, the large unstressed engines favoured in the American market last a lot longer than the piddly tempramental and highly strung turbo units we have over here. - Look at Ford Crown Victoria police cars / taxis, for example. The last one I was in had over half a million miles on the clock and I only knew because I asked. That kind of lifespan is partly because they don't expect engines to deliver a high specific output (they're a little over 200 horsepower from a 4.6 V8) and infinite miles per gallon.
- European sports / supercar manufacturers (Ferrari, Porsche etc.) are hardly known as paragons of reliability; Comparing your average 911 repair bills with with a Corvette's I know which I'd rather be paying!
lol, really? waow.
bertie said:
Almost nothing this side of a Tesla is quiet enough for UK tracks these days, most of which operate most of the time on 98db drive by.
Having said that, they also have a limited number of noisy days at 105db and that's loud enough that almost anything is ok.
There are a small number of track days that do not have any noise restrictions or testing at all, those are the ones I normally go to. They usually cost more but you normally share the track with some lovely cars and not as many of them as you would on a bargain track day.Having said that, they also have a limited number of noisy days at 105db and that's loud enough that almost anything is ok.
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