Why you shouldn't give cyclist a wide berth when passing

[FiF]

Hoofy said:

You're not welcome here with your sense and logic.

Seeing as that's the second time the above, or similar, has been said to me on this thread, not to mention previous threads, then that, ladles and jelly spoons, explains why these threads go round in circles.

[DoubleD]

Mave said:

DoubleD said:

Mave said:

DoubleD said:

Yeah thats true. In that situation once over taken you should just stay behind. Good point.

Who do you think should overtake only once? The cyclist who can improve their average speed by filtering, or the motorist who can't improve their average speed due to congestion?

You said that the average speed of the bike and the car was the same.

Yes, and in that example I also said that they were both overtaking many times. If you stop the car overtaking then their average speed stays the same because their average speed is set by congestion. If you stop the bike overtaking then their average speed drops because their peak speed in between stationary traffic is slower.

But i thought that everyone had to be patient when behind a slower moving vehicle? So surely a bike being held up by a car should just be patient and wait. Its been said many times on this thread that nobodys journey is more important than anyone elses. It works both ways.

[DoubleD]

Mave said:

Hoofy said:

Maybe it should be law that the first person to overtake stays in front. #bewareofcyclistspoppingoutfromsideroadswhenyou'reinslowmovingtraffic

Maybe it should be law that everyone tries all types of transportation so they understand what "considerate" and "inconsiderate" behaviour actually feels like to other forms of transport... :-)

I agree. I bet quite a few cyclists have never driven a car before.

[Hoofy]

FiF said:

Hoofy said:

You're not welcome here with your sense and logic.

Seeing as that's the second time the above, or similar, has been said to me on this thread, not to mention previous threads, then that, ladles and jelly spoons, explains why these threads go round in circles.

A cycle, you might say.

[anonymous-user]

DoubleD said:

I agree. I bet quite a few cyclists have never driven a car before.

I bet quite a few car drivers have never ridden a motorcycle. I bet quite a few motorists haven't become astronauts. I bet the completely baffling links will continue to be posted

[Hoofy]

yonex said:

DoubleD said:

I agree. I bet quite a few cyclists have never driven a car before.

I bet quite a few car drivers have never ridden a motorcycle. I bet quite a few motorists haven't become astronauts. I bet the completely baffling links will continue to be posted

I bet a few camel riders haven't driven a car.

[Mave]

DoubleD said:

Mave said:

DoubleD said:

Mave said:

DoubleD said:

Yeah thats true. In that situation once over taken you should just stay behind. Good point.

Who do you think should overtake only once? The cyclist who can improve their average speed by filtering, or the motorist who can't improve their average speed due to congestion?

You said that the average speed of the bike and the car was the same.

Yes, and in that example I also said that they were both overtaking many times. If you stop the car overtaking then their average speed stays the same because their average speed is set by congestion. If you stop the bike overtaking then their average speed drops because their peak speed in between stationary traffic is slower.

But i thought that everyone had to be patient when behind a slower moving vehicle? So surely a bike being held up by a car should just be patient and wait. Its been said many times on this thread that nobodys journey is more important than anyone elses. It works both ways.

I have absolutely no problem waiting until it's safe to overtake a slow moving car when I'm on my bike, just like I have no problem waiting until it's safe to overtake a slow moving bike when I'm in my car.

The point I was making and you appear to be obtusely misunderstanding is that repeatedly overtaking a vehicle that has a higher average speed than your own is pointless. I know there are examples as suggested by fif where cyclists pointlessly overtake and undertake, particularly near junctions, but in my experience it doesn't make any difference to the average speed of the motorist. If you overtake the same bike 3 or 4 times in close succession, then it's not normally actually them that's slowing you down.

[Mave]

DoubleD said:

I agree. I bet quite a few cyclists have never driven a car before.

Yep, about 20%? Compared to 80% of drivers who don't cycle regularly?

[anonymous-user]

Hoofy said:

I bet a few camel riders haven't driven a car.

I've never fallen off a car.

[brrapp]

yonex said:

Hoofy said:

I bet a few camel riders haven't driven a car.

I've never fallen off a car.

I have, but I've never fallen off a camel. Does that mean I'm an awesome camel rider?

[heebeegeetee]

DoubleD said:

Yeah thats true. In that situation once over taken you should just stay behind. Good point.

Applies to both. In fact, why overtake a cyclist when you know all you're doing is heading to the back of the next queue. It just means you're overtaking and then delaying the person you've overtaken, which to be fair, is something that motorists can specialise in.

[DoubleD]

Mave said:

DoubleD said:

I agree. I bet quite a few cyclists have never driven a car before.

Yep, about 20%? Compared to 80% of drivers who don't cycle regularly?

Never driven or riden, not hardly ever.

[Hoofy]

brrapp said:

yonex said:

Hoofy said:

I bet a few camel riders haven't driven a car.

I've never fallen off a car.

I have, but I've never fallen off a camel. Does that mean I'm an awesome camel rider?

There's also a chance you could be an amazing space shuttle pilot, too.

[DoubleD]

Mave said:

I have absolutely no problem waiting until it's safe to overtake a slow moving car when I'm on my bike, just like I have no problem waiting until it's safe to overtake a slow moving bike when I'm in my car.

The point I was making and you appear to be obtusely misunderstanding is that repeatedly overtaking a vehicle that has a higher average speed than your own is pointless. I know there are examples as suggested by fif where cyclists pointlessly overtake and undertake, particularly near junctions, but in my experience it doesn't make any difference to the average speed of the motorist. If you overtake the same bike 3 or 4 times in close succession, then it's not normally actually them that's slowing you down.

It just seems like this thread is full of people saying that 1 road user needs to be patient of the other road user, but not the other way around.

All types of road user need to show patience and care for the other. Also all types of road users need to allow quicker users to get safely past. The reason i am flipping your argument around is to show this. On both sides you get good and bad, thats life im afraid.

[DoubleD]

yonex said:

I've never fallen off a car.

I have, but thats for another thread!

[Antony Moxey]

DoubleD said:

yonex said:

I've never fallen off a car.

I have, but thats for another thread!

Haha - no it isn't! C'mon, spill the beans!

[WinstonWolf]

Antony Moxey said:

DoubleD said:

yonex said:

I've never fallen off a car.

I have, but thats for another thread!

Haha - no it isn't! C'mon, spill the beans!

My car drove off without me once, in a graveyard. . . But that's a story for another day

[FiF]

DoubleD said:

Mave said:

I have absolutely no problem waiting until it's safe to overtake a slow moving car when I'm on my bike, just like I have no problem waiting until it's safe to overtake a slow moving bike when I'm in my car.

The point I was making and you appear to be obtusely misunderstanding is that repeatedly overtaking a vehicle that has a higher average speed than your own is pointless. I know there are examples as suggested by fif where cyclists pointlessly overtake and undertake, particularly near junctions, but in my experience it doesn't make any difference to the average speed of the motorist. If you overtake the same bike 3 or 4 times in close succession, then it's not normally actually them that's slowing you down.

It just seems like this thread is full of people saying that 1 road user needs to be patient of the other road user, but not the other way around.

All types of road user need to show patience and care for the other. Also all types of road users need to allow quicker users to get safely past. The reason i am flipping your argument around is to show this. On both sides you get good and bad, thats life im afraid.

Exactly, well said, straight to the heart of the matter.

[DoubleD]

Antony Moxey said:

DoubleD said:

yonex said:

I've never fallen off a car.

I have, but thats for another thread!

Haha - no it isn't! C'mon, spill the beans!

When i was younger and even more stupid than now ha ha

In a field my drunk mate decided to teach another drunk mate how to drive, me, also drunk, decided that it would be a good idea to lie on the roof of the car and do some "body boarding"

All very stupid and not to be recomended


But if the fun police arent listening........it was a right laugh.

[Mave]

FiF said:

DoubleD said:

Mave said:

I have absolutely no problem waiting until it's safe to overtake a slow moving car when I'm on my bike, just like I have no problem waiting until it's safe to overtake a slow moving bike when I'm in my car.

The point I was making and you appear to be obtusely misunderstanding is that repeatedly overtaking a vehicle that has a higher average speed than your own is pointless. I know there are examples as suggested by fif where cyclists pointlessly overtake and undertake, particularly near junctions, but in my experience it doesn't make any difference to the average speed of the motorist. If you overtake the same bike 3 or 4 times in close succession, then it's not normally actually them that's slowing you down.

It just seems like this thread is full of people saying that 1 road user needs to be patient of the other road user, but not the other way around.

All types of road user need to show patience and care for the other. Also all types of road users need to allow quicker users to get safely past. The reason i am flipping your argument around is to show this. On both sides you get good and bad, thats life im afraid.

Exactly, well said, straight to the heart of the matter.

This thread has also got people borderline condoning dangerous driving in response to percieved inconsiderate behaviour, without considering or acknowledging why they are behaving in that way. Seems that cyclists need to behave the way motorists want, even if that doesn't actually help the motorist, just to get some motorists to reach the basic minimum expected standard of safety let alone reciprocation of consideration.