Tesla P100D 0-60 in 2.5s
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CaptainCosworth said:
On that basis I can't see EV's taking a big share of the market. My original post said perhaps 50% in 30 years, but the more I think about it the more optimistic that sounds. I'm not anti EV, it's just my opinion.
From here Table 2.1:http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation...
2009: Households with garage or off-street parking 17.1m of 26.4m homes.
65%.
19.7m households with a car - but obviously those with parking will over-index the ones without parking, in car ownership.
So far more than 65% of all UK cars will live at homes with a garage or parking.
Slam dunk for >50% of market to be EV in 30 years.
Or possibly Mr Fusion by then.
<50% ICE for sure.
Point of order I feel - just because someone has off-street parking it doesn't mean charging will be in any way practical - our last 2 places had off-street parking, but they were far away enough from the house to make charging woefully impractical, and they are hardly unique in the world of the new build.
Not that I'm in the slightest bothered as Tesco is next door and filling up takes 5 minutes once a week, hardly a chore. Well it is if you use Tesco Pay at Pump with a furl card, but that's a separate issue
Not that I'm in the slightest bothered as Tesco is next door and filling up takes 5 minutes once a week, hardly a chore. Well it is if you use Tesco Pay at Pump with a furl card, but that's a separate issue
bodhi said:
Point of order I feel - just because someone has off-street parking it doesn't mean charging will be in any way practical
Of course, but the fact that people don't have off-street parking doesn't automatically mean charging will impractical either. Don't forget we're not talking about people running extension cables out of their letter boxes here, we're talking about the roll-out of dedicated infrastructure over the next few decades. There's nothing to stop estate builders putting charging points in off-road parking spaces which aren't near the houses which own them. There's no need for them to be tied into the house's meter, they can be separately measured and charged.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 24th August 16:37
walm said:
CaptainCosworth said:
On that basis I can't see EV's taking a big share of the market. My original post said perhaps 50% in 30 years, but the more I think about it the more optimistic that sounds. I'm not anti EV, it's just my opinion.
From here Table 2.1:http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation...
2009: Households with garage or off-street parking 17.1m of 26.4m homes.
65%.
19.7m households with a car - but obviously those with parking will over-index the ones without parking, in car ownership.
So far more than 65% of all UK cars will live at homes with a garage or parking.
Slam dunk for >50% of market to be EV in 30 years.
Or possibly Mr Fusion by then.
<50% ICE for sure.
The thing that is amazing is the 0-60 time, is the fact that in over 10 years gone from nothing to making a car that achieves this. I know Telsa might be a big scam, but the fact they have the balls to make cars like this, makes over manufactures looks like amateurs and I wonder when consumers will start to question the value for money in buying a ICE , when Telsa offer something 1000 times better.
CaptainCosworth said:
walm said:
CaptainCosworth said:
On that basis I can't see EV's taking a big share of the market. My original post said perhaps 50% in 30 years, but the more I think about it the more optimistic that sounds. I'm not anti EV, it's just my opinion.
From here Table 2.1:http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation...
2009: Households with garage or off-street parking 17.1m of 26.4m homes.
65%.
19.7m households with a car - but obviously those with parking will over-index the ones without parking, in car ownership.
So far more than 65% of all UK cars will live at homes with a garage or parking.
Slam dunk for >50% of market to be EV in 30 years.
Or possibly Mr Fusion by then.
<50% ICE for sure.
We'll have to meet back here on our hover boards in 2046 to find out who was right!
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I was under the impression they'd just scrapped the idea of high VED on proper engines, in favour of higher VED for cars over 40k? However if the only prospect of getting someone into a product because they are forced, I would question how appealing the product was in the first place...
rscott said:
The Tesla difference is that you're buying from them directly, not a third party, so they're responsible for fixing problems. Think of it like the iStore concept for Apple.
I don't think Autopilot has particularly tarnished their reputation. They've responded publicly to all the incidents showing it's generally down to people not using it properly.
I understand their business model, however I just checked the Aus website:I don't think Autopilot has particularly tarnished their reputation. They've responded publicly to all the incidents showing it's generally down to people not using it properly.
- No mention of any dealer location that I can find.
- the Australian office is in Japan.
I therefore have no idea where to go to look at one.
Within a 30 min radius of my house there are 2 Toyota dealerships, 3 Holden dealerships, 2 Mazda, 1 Honda, 3 Ford etc. Tesla can't compete with that without using a franchised dealer network.
And what the f
k is a "Bio-weapon defence mode"? Seriously?
CaptainCosworth said:
It won't be easier to charge elsewhere, at least not in the near future. It will be the classic chicken or egg scenario. People won't buy EV's on mass until charging points are easily accessible. But the government won't spend vast amounts of public money until the demand is there. And even then the huge costs for a mass roll-out will be vastly prohibitive.
For example, my local Tesco has about 300 parking spaces. I can imagine perhaps 5 charging points being installed within the next 10 years. I would also expect that every owner of an EV would park in one of those spaces if they could, just to "top up", even if their vehicle already had a relatively full charge. So someone who was considering an EV would walk past and think "those spaces are always full so I will never get the chance to charge my car, so I'll stick with petrol/diesel". To make charging in the supermarket car park practical you would probably need 30-40 charging points, and that's just one supermarket car park...
The tech is there (or will be there soon), the money is not.
You couldn't be more wrong. Charge infrastructure is a gold rush style land grab at the moment. Lots of private money pouring in. Like petrol stations in the 50/60s except it's more profitable, much easier to transport, far easier to maintain, is easier and cheaper to set up and requires no staff at pos. Combine that with £600m of government money and it's appealing place to invest.For example, my local Tesco has about 300 parking spaces. I can imagine perhaps 5 charging points being installed within the next 10 years. I would also expect that every owner of an EV would park in one of those spaces if they could, just to "top up", even if their vehicle already had a relatively full charge. So someone who was considering an EV would walk past and think "those spaces are always full so I will never get the chance to charge my car, so I'll stick with petrol/diesel". To make charging in the supermarket car park practical you would probably need 30-40 charging points, and that's just one supermarket car park...
The tech is there (or will be there soon), the money is not.
CaptainCosworth said:
It won't be easier to charge elsewhere, at least not in the near future. It will be the classic chicken or egg scenario. People won't buy EV's on mass until charging points are easily accessible. But the government won't spend vast amounts of public money until the demand is there. And even then the huge costs for a mass roll-out will be vastly prohibitive.
For example, my local Tesco has about 300 parking spaces. I can imagine perhaps 5 charging points being installed within the next 10 years. I would also expect that every owner of an EV would park in one of those spaces if they could, just to "top up", even if their vehicle already had a relatively full charge. So someone who was considering an EV would walk past and think "those spaces are always full so I will never get the chance to charge my car, so I'll stick with petrol/diesel". To make charging in the supermarket car park practical you would probably need 30-40 charging points, and that's just one supermarket car park...
The tech is there (or will be there soon), the money is not.
You couldn't be more wrong. Charge infrastructure is a gold rush style land grab at the moment. Lots of private money pouring in. Like petrol stations in the 50/60s except it's more profitable, much easier to transport, far easier to maintain, is easier and cheaper to set up and requires no staff at pos. Combine that with £600m of government money and it's appealing place to invest.For example, my local Tesco has about 300 parking spaces. I can imagine perhaps 5 charging points being installed within the next 10 years. I would also expect that every owner of an EV would park in one of those spaces if they could, just to "top up", even if their vehicle already had a relatively full charge. So someone who was considering an EV would walk past and think "those spaces are always full so I will never get the chance to charge my car, so I'll stick with petrol/diesel". To make charging in the supermarket car park practical you would probably need 30-40 charging points, and that's just one supermarket car park...
The tech is there (or will be there soon), the money is not.
CaptainCosworth said:
For example, my local Tesco has about 300 parking spaces. I can imagine perhaps 5 charging points being installed within the next 10 years. I would also expect that every owner of an EV would park in one of those spaces if they could, just to "top up"
You think? I dont.If I had a Tesla like range (200miles+) and my daily commute was average (say 20-40 miles) - that I charge up overnight at home, why would I bother with the bother of taking up an EV charge spot at the supermarket and cabling up etc.
I'd probably be charging at home overnight once or twice a week, probably again on a Friday night so I have a full car for the weekend.
Edited by RobDickinson on Thursday 25th August 20:32
ex1 said:
Blaster72 said:
ex1 said:
A monthly lease isn't the way to go.
We paid £8.5k for a 2013 leaf with no monthly payments and it does 70 miles even in winter. My partner does 300 miles a week and gets free tank of fuel at every service station in the uk. From here on in I can't see it depreciating much different to the golf tdi we had before it. It's already saved us around £1500 over the tdi and is worth around £750 less than we paid for it. I can't see a cheaper way to run a car. Helps to live in the right part of country where there is good infrastructure but that will come along with much better range. No doubt the next Leaf will have 200+ mile range and the rest will soon follow.
Free tank of fuel at every service station in the uk? How does that work with a Nissan Leaf?We paid £8.5k for a 2013 leaf with no monthly payments and it does 70 miles even in winter. My partner does 300 miles a week and gets free tank of fuel at every service station in the uk. From here on in I can't see it depreciating much different to the golf tdi we had before it. It's already saved us around £1500 over the tdi and is worth around £750 less than we paid for it. I can't see a cheaper way to run a car. Helps to live in the right part of country where there is good infrastructure but that will come along with much better range. No doubt the next Leaf will have 200+ mile range and the rest will soon follow.
Anyway, back to the Tesla. When are the first Model 3 cars due?
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