Tesla P100D 0-60 in 2.5s
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RobDickinson said:
If you drive a bmw V6 how much do you think it would cost to send it back to bmw and get them rip it out and put in a v8 compared to specifying a v8 in the first place?
Probably very little, as you'd have the only example of a V6 BMW in existence. Perhaps Mumsnet is more your scene after all?
RobDickinson said:
s3fella said:
So if you already paid for a battery, it costs twice as much for the new one as if you don't have one already due to recycling costs!
If you drive a bmw V6 how much do you think it would cost to send it back to bmw and get them rip it out and put in a v8 compared to specifying a v8 in the first place?We can take it that at the end of a Tesla battery's life it costs near what a new entire Dacia does just to recycle it. The costs of such processes are bonkers, and it is either due to the complexity of the process or Tesla are just recouping loss leading costs from earlier in the sales cycle.
ex1 said:
A monthly lease isn't the way to go.
We paid £8.5k for a 2013 leaf with no monthly payments and it does 70 miles even in winter. My partner does 300 miles a week and gets free tank of fuel at every service station in the uk. From here on in I can't see it depreciating much different to the golf tdi we had before it. It's already saved us around £1500 over the tdi and is worth around £750 less than we paid for it. I can't see a cheaper way to run a car. Helps to live in the right part of country where there is good infrastructure but that will come along with much better range. No doubt the next Leaf will have 200+ mile range and the rest will soon follow.
Free tank of fuel at every service station in the uk? How does that work with a Nissan Leaf?We paid £8.5k for a 2013 leaf with no monthly payments and it does 70 miles even in winter. My partner does 300 miles a week and gets free tank of fuel at every service station in the uk. From here on in I can't see it depreciating much different to the golf tdi we had before it. It's already saved us around £1500 over the tdi and is worth around £750 less than we paid for it. I can't see a cheaper way to run a car. Helps to live in the right part of country where there is good infrastructure but that will come along with much better range. No doubt the next Leaf will have 200+ mile range and the rest will soon follow.
Anyway, back to the Tesla. When are the first Model 3 cars due?
The Surveyor said:
Electric vehicle sales are primarily driven by the desire for environmentally friendly transport
I think this is the perception that Tesla are trying to change - they're trying to demonstrate that people can buy EVs because they're better cars, not just because they're environmentally friendly. essayer said:
Every EV thread on PH goes the same way.
I think that's largely a positive thing for the manufacturers because it demonstrates that the dedicated ICE fans are feeling threatened. If people genuinely thought EVs were useless, they wouldn't bother to post about them because they wouldn't care about them either way. anonymous said:
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Are they that much worse than any other non-premium mid-sized hatchback? How does a Leaf compare to a Note? Since residuals are largely driven by consumer confidence, I think it's inevitable that they'll rise as older EVs become a more familiar sight on the roads. I guess that's why Tesla feel they can offer the guaranteed 50% buy-back thing; people may not trust EVs enough to support that now but by the time Tesla have the volume of three year old cars out there for it to be an issue, they're assuming confidence will have risen to support those sorts of values.
Of course the UK market is particularly odd for residuals because we, as a nation, seem to have an obsession with having new shiny things. Almost every other major market has considerably stronger residuals across the board than here because people put less intrinsic value on having a brand new car.
RumbleOfThunder said:
Why is this Elon 
quoted on Sky as saying it's the fastest car in the world? Could you be any more disingenuous pal?! Suppose the clientele won't know any better bless em.
Given that from the context he was clearly talking solely about 0-60 times, what's faster in standard form which you can actually buy today? I'm sure the new Bugatti will see it off by a considerably margin when it goes on sale, but right now he's probably right within the very narrow criteria he's using? quoted on Sky as saying it's the fastest car in the world? Could you be any more disingenuous pal?! Suppose the clientele won't know any better bless em. I guess if he's right what he's actually saying in practice is that we're currently in a narrow window with no 4wd hyper-cars available.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 24th August 07:59
s3fella said:
"Tesla customers who have ordered a P90D Ludicrous, but not taken delivery, can upgrade to the 100 kWh pack for $10,000. Existing P90D Ludicrous owners can also upgrade to a 100 kWh pack, but for $20,000, as their used 90 kWh pack will have to be recycled"
So if you already paid for a battery, it costs twice as much for the new one as if you don't have one already due to recycling costs!
And the future of motoring lies in these batteries I presume? How fking ridiculous. Green my arse
Hmmm that's an interesting perspective, the newest downside to EV's is that the manufacturer wants customers to pay "more for more" how dare they So if you already paid for a battery, it costs twice as much for the new one as if you don't have one already due to recycling costs!
And the future of motoring lies in these batteries I presume? How f
king ridiculous. Green my arse 
babatunde said:
Hmmm that's an interesting perspective, the newest downside to EV's is that the manufacturer wants customers to pay "more for more" how dare they
To be fair, internal combustion engine manufacturers generally don't offer this sort of option at all; clearly consumer choice is a bad thing. 
s3fella said:
RobDickinson said:
s3fella said:
So if you already paid for a battery, it costs twice as much for the new one as if you don't have one already due to recycling costs!
If you drive a bmw V6 how much do you think it would cost to send it back to bmw and get them rip it out and put in a v8 compared to specifying a v8 in the first place?We can take it that at the end of a Tesla battery's life it costs near what a new entire Dacia does just to recycle it. The costs of such processes are bonkers, and it is either due to the complexity of the process or Tesla are just recouping loss leading costs from earlier in the sales cycle.
eg.
New Tesla with small battery is £90k
New Tesla with big battery is £100k
List price of the big battery alone is, lets say £30k, but if you want to upgrade your existing small battery to a big one, it'll only be £20k as Tesla will save £10k by recycling the old one. Not something you'd be able to do if you asked BMW to replace your 'v6' (
) with an 8 pot. The recycling saves you £10k, not costs you £10kEdited by 5lab on Wednesday 24th August 08:09
http://www.evo.co.uk/tesla/model-s/18191/tesla-mod...
Why do people on PH when talking about EVs range they choose the 315 instead of the 380. Every other car discussed always talks about the quoted range knowing full well that it will be less yet EVs PH like taking about the lower end...
Just sayin.
Good on Tesla 2.5 to 60mph is bonkers fast
Why do people on PH when talking about EVs range they choose the 315 instead of the 380. Every other car discussed always talks about the quoted range knowing full well that it will be less yet EVs PH like taking about the lower end...
Just sayin.
Good on Tesla 2.5 to 60mph is bonkers fast
Welshbeef said:
http://www.evo.co.uk/tesla/model-s/18191/tesla-mod...
Why do people on PH when talking about EVs range they choose the 315 instead of the 380. Every other car discussed always talks about the quoted range knowing full well that it will be less yet EVs PH like taking about the lower end...
Just sayin.
Because thats what Teslas own press release says:Why do people on PH when talking about EVs range they choose the 315 instead of the 380. Every other car discussed always talks about the quoted range knowing full well that it will be less yet EVs PH like taking about the lower end...
Just sayin.
"The 100 kWh battery also increases range substantially to an estimated 315 miles on the EPA cycle and 613 km on the EU cycle, making it the first to go beyond 300 miles and the longest range production electric vehicle by far."
RobDickinson said:
"The 100 kWh battery also increases range substantially to an estimated 315 miles on the EPA cycle and 613 km on the EU cycle, making it the first to go beyond 300 miles and the longest range production electric vehicle by far."
Well it says both; it just doesn't cater for the UK very well because we're weird and use NEDC and miles. Still that should mean 300+ miles on a charge is a reasonable day-to-day expectation rather than a "might get it once in your entire ownership of the car" sort of figure.
I love the tech, really do, and would buy one if I had the money.
Can't help thinking that this kind of performance is going to be dangerous though, a ham fisted oaf in a saloon ''slips' on the 'go faster' pedal and 2.5 seconds later he's got 2 tons of metal doing 60mph towards something vulnerable.
How do these things do in the wet? Surely the tyres are going to be the limiting factor before long with the amount of power and torque available in an instant?
Can't help thinking that this kind of performance is going to be dangerous though, a ham fisted oaf in a saloon ''slips' on the 'go faster' pedal and 2.5 seconds later he's got 2 tons of metal doing 60mph towards something vulnerable.
How do these things do in the wet? Surely the tyres are going to be the limiting factor before long with the amount of power and torque available in an instant?
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