Tesla P100D 0-60 in 2.5s

[rscott]

So this new P100D has a realistic range of about 300 miles between recharges - that's pretty much the same as the PH answer to everything car related... The MX-5 .

[Evanivitch]

rampageturke said:

Except the cheaper 60/60D have a quoted range of about 100 miles less than the 90D which is around £85k IIRC. It's not more "economical" (range wise) to buy the cheaper one which is usually the reverse for ICE cars. And the 60D is around £50k I think

Eh? Bigger car, bigger tank, bigger range.

Try getting 600 miles out of a small petrol city car. A Passat TDI bluemotion has the record for longest journey without refuelling. Hardly bargain basement.

[walm]

rscott said:

So this new P100D has a realistic range of about 300 miles between recharges - that's pretty much the same as the PH answer to everything car related... The MX-5 .

Despite the fact that hardly anyone ever drives more than 300 miles, the EV-deniers will still whinge that you can re-fuel an MX5 in 3 mins rather than the longer period needed for EVs.

They never stop for a coffee or wee. Just refuel and drive.
So EVs will never catch on and will be consigned to the bin of history because NO ONE WANTS ONE.
Other than all the people who want one. They're just wrong.

[essayer]

No EV can drive 1,000 miles in a day with a kitchen worktop in the back, therefore all EVs are pointless.

[rampageturke]

Evanivitch said:

Eh? Bigger car, bigger tank, bigger range.

Try getting 600 miles out of a small petrol city car. A Passat TDI bluemotion has the record for longest journey without refuelling. Hardly bargain basement.

I should have said "In its market" since neither a small petrol city car or a passat tdi are in the same market as a high end luxury car which range from diesels on the cheap end which can do 55mpg all day, and big V8s and such which probably struggle to do 30

Nanook said:

"Economical" (range wise)?

Ok then.

When you refer to MPG (and range subsequently) if you got 50mpg, you'd say it's economical, so getting 100 miles less wouldn't be as economical. I know it's not really the right word, hence the ""

[kambites]

essayer said:

No EV can drive 1,000 miles in a day with a kitchen worktop in the back, therefore all EVs are pointless.

Actually I think a Tesla probably could do 1000 miles in a day with at least a small piece of kitchen worktop in the back.

[rscott]

kambites said:

essayer said:

No EV can drive 1,000 miles in a day with a kitchen worktop in the back, therefore all EVs are pointless.

Actually I think a Tesla probably could do 1000 miles in a day with at least a small piece of kitchen worktop in the back.

Give it a few years - haven't they announced plans for a pickup based around the Model X?

[kambites]

rscott said:

Give it a few years - haven't they announced plans for a pickup based around the Model X?

Yep, although I doubt we'll see it in the UK.

[tankplanker]

I've had a test drive in the 90 with ludicrous mode, crazy fast car and I think in certain situations it makes a lot more sense than other big, fast cars.

However I couldn't get over how little feel the car had, frankly it is light years behind any modern Audi in terms of driver engagement and Audi's get a battering for being remote and understeery. If I was buying a big, performance car, I'd be looking elsewhere such as a M5 or a E65S as I'd want something that has a better sense of connection than the Model S offers.

[Simond S]

If UK pricing ever matches or comes close to US pricing i'll buy one, but currently we are paying a 40% premium.

The pricing ad finance options in the US make it an easy decision, in the UK it works out far too expensive when compared to BMW 6 or similar.

[ex1]

anonymous said:

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Trade cap clean is just under 7k. There are only two 2nd Gen Acentas for sale under £7.5k and they both have higher mileage. I suspect the majority on Speakev bought new and have been hit by the early deprectiation.

[ex1]

rampageturke said:

Both Mercedes and BMW have both dabbled in EVs which is most likely leading to further development, Merc have already been thinking about haulage https://www.daimler.com/products/trucks/mercedes-b...

Merc own 10% of Tesla. The pure EV Merc cars are Tesla tech under the bonnet.

[kambites]

tankplanker said:

If I was buying a big, performance car, I'd be looking elsewhere such as a M5 or a E65S as I'd want something that has a better sense of connection than the Model S offers.

But would you buy a big performance car at all? Personally, I'd hate to drive a Tesla day in day out but then I wouldn't want to drive an M5 or E63 either so that's a bit of a moot point. I think the sorts of people who buy £100k luxury saloons, even very fast ones, are no more likely to be driving enthusiasts than those who buy any other sort of mainstream car and as such are highly unlikely to care.

[The Surveyor]

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Nope...

I have no problem with Tesla making elegant, silent, high quality, prestige vehicles which are by nature very desirable, if not expensive. A genuine real-world alternative to petrol or diesel cars and I wish them every success.

My problem comes with the headline grabbing, attention seeking tosh about 0-60 times rather than making a decently quick car that has a much better range, or batteries with a longer life, or which charge realistically quickly. It's the same reason why I think an AMG S Class Merc and the SVR Range Rover are flawed, trying to be something they aren't for nothing other than pub bragging rights IMHO. If I want a sports car, i'll buy a sports car, and if I want a luxury efficient limo, i'll buy a limo.....

[ex1]

RumbleOfThunder said:

Why is this Elon quoted on Sky as saying it's the fastest car in the world? Could you be any more disingenuous pal?! Suppose the clientele won't know any better bless em.

Only the 918 and La Ferrari are quicker and I don't think either of them are still in production?

[RobDickinson]

ex1 said:

Merc own 10% of Tesla. The pure EV Merc cars are Tesla tech under the bonnet.

No they dont. They owned about 4-5% a long time ago but sold.

[Mr GrimNasty]

The joker Musk is claiming this new battery pack is a milestone - surely he meant millstone!

"Mr Musk said that in cool weather, a driver could travel from San Francisco to Los Angeles."

Can you imagine the conversation, "Shall we pop down to visit your parents this weekend dear? Hold on, I'll just check the weather is forecast to be between 15 and 20C for 56 hours!"

More pointless toys for the elite bankrolled by the taxpayer and the cult followers.

[PhillipM]

The Surveyor said:

Nope...

I have no problem with Tesla making elegant, silent, high quality, prestige vehicles which are by nature very desirable, if not expensive. A genuine real-world alternative to petrol or diesel cars and I wish them every success.

My problem comes with the headline grabbing, attention seeking tosh about 0-60 times rather than making a decently quick car that has a much better range, or batteries with a longer life, or which charge realistically quickly. It's the same reason why I think an AMG S Class Merc and the SVR Range Rover are flawed, trying to be something they aren't for nothing other than pub bragging rights IMHO. If I want a sports car, i'll buy a sports car, and if I want a luxury efficient limo, i'll buy a limo.....

With battery and motor tech, that extra range and efficience comes with better performance, better discharge bursts and hence more power capability and faster 0-60's. So an improvement in charging times or range generally gives an increase in burst/sustained power output...

Guess which people are more interested in?

[Dave Hedgehog]

Simond S said:

If UK pricing ever matches or comes close to US pricing i'll buy one, but currently we are paying a 40% premium.

The pricing ad finance options in the US make it an easy decision, in the UK it works out far too expensive when compared to BMW 6 or similar.

unlikely since the sterling / dollar rate collapsed thanks to the brexit xenophobes

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 24th August 10:48

[otolith]

The Surveyor said:

My problem comes with the headline grabbing, attention seeking tosh about 0-60 times rather than making a decently quick car that has a much better range, or batteries with a longer life, or which charge realistically quickly. It's the same reason why I think an AMG S Class Merc and the SVR Range Rover are flawed, trying to be something they aren't for nothing other than pub bragging rights IMHO. If I want a sports car, i'll buy a sports car, and if I want a luxury efficient limo, i'll buy a limo.....

It's a fair point, although purchase cost implications aside, the more powerful electric vehicles don't come with the downside of the large engined ICE alternatives - they're as efficient as the slower models. And while it's childish and irresponsible, having the ability to smoke an AMG at the lights (or pretty much anything else) will sell cars. Particularly in the US.