RE: Ford Mustang outsells Audi TT!
Discussion
smithyithy said:
Looks fantastic Gibbo! Do you have, or have you considered, the sequential indicator rear lights?
Yes I shall do a full light conversion in future, so the front tri-bars light up and will be RGB and also have sequential front indicators. I shall also get the rears done too, a chap called Manders is doing a group buy on the Mustang 6G forum, is about £700 all in. 
PanzerCommander said:
Pommygranite said:
A good looking RWD manual 5.0 V8 coupe that has, in every review, done well, is well equipped, handles well, is fun, has a sense of occasion and is less than £40k and people are complaining.
Jesus H Christ.
But it hasn't got the right badge dahhhhling, how on earth can one show off to ones fellow middle class wannabes with a Ford.Jesus H Christ.
The fact that we live in a somewhat brand obsesses society is mildly depressing but a fact of life.
Dave Hedgehog said:
DaveH23 said:
The bit that stood out as a shock to me in the article was the fact you can buy a diesel TT. I assumed they were all petrol.
its like the rocco, they want the badge and to look good for the neighbours but have no interest in driving and want high mpgit should be illegal to make them IMO
Is your surname Hitler or Stalin?
Devil2575 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
DaveH23 said:
The bit that stood out as a shock to me in the article was the fact you can buy a diesel TT. I assumed they were all petrol.
its like the rocco, they want the badge and to look good for the neighbours but have no interest in driving and want high mpgit should be illegal to make them IMO
Is your surname Hitler or Stalin?
swerni said:
In the next measure period it will sell the square root of bugger all.
Same as the 350z, first two batches were pre sold, a large proportion of the people who wanted one now owned one, sales figures fell off a cliff.
Meaningless figures are meaningless
This is the truth I'm afraid to say.Same as the 350z, first two batches were pre sold, a large proportion of the people who wanted one now owned one, sales figures fell off a cliff.
Meaningless figures are meaningless
Thankyou4calling said:
swerni said:
In the next measure period it will sell the square root of bugger all.
Same as the 350z, first two batches were pre sold, a large proportion of the people who wanted one now owned one, sales figures fell off a cliff.
Meaningless figures are meaningless
This is the truth I'm afraid to say.Same as the 350z, first two batches were pre sold, a large proportion of the people who wanted one now owned one, sales figures fell off a cliff.
Meaningless figures are meaningless
Dave Hedgehog said:
Devil2575 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
DaveH23 said:
The bit that stood out as a shock to me in the article was the fact you can buy a diesel TT. I assumed they were all petrol.
its like the rocco, they want the badge and to look good for the neighbours but have no interest in driving and want high mpgit should be illegal to make them IMO
Is your surname Hitler or Stalin?
Dave Hedgehog said:
its like the rocco, they want the badge and to look good for the neighbours but have no interest in driving and want high mpg
it should be illegal to make them IMO
I think that's a bit harsh, although I daresay there is a degree of truth to it in some cases.it should be illegal to make them IMO
Some of us do 20+,000 miles a year and need good mpg. Should we be relegated by default to an appliance-like hatchback?
Limpet said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
its like the rocco, they want the badge and to look good for the neighbours but have no interest in driving and want high mpg
it should be illegal to make them IMO
I think that's a bit harsh, although I daresay there is a degree of truth to it in some cases.it should be illegal to make them IMO
Some of us do 20+,000 miles a year and need good mpg. Should we be relegated by default to an appliance-like hatchback?
Devil2575 said:
PanzerCommander said:
Pommygranite said:
A good looking RWD manual 5.0 V8 coupe that has, in every review, done well, is well equipped, handles well, is fun, has a sense of occasion and is less than £40k and people are complaining.
Jesus H Christ.
But it hasn't got the right badge dahhhhling, how on earth can one show off to ones fellow middle class wannabes with a Ford.Jesus H Christ.
The fact that we live in a somewhat brand obsesses society is mildly depressing but a fact of life.
I bought my first car (back in the day when Ford where winning rallys everywhere with the good 'ole Mk1 Escort) It was a Lotus with a Ford Cosworth lump in the front…. At the same time, Shelby were winning races with the Cobra – powered by Ford… Carroll Shelby also worked his magic on the Mustang from 1965 IIRC… In the late eighties I owned a white ’86 vintage Sierra RS Cosworth, and I clearly remember some bloke in the local tyre place telling me ‘it’s still just a Ford Sierra innit’ not sure he actually said ‘innit’ but it’s how I like to remember it..
Then there’s Fords involvement in motor racing… maybe the modern day badge snobs as they’re being called know nothing about that…. Oh well….
When I see this new Mustang it reminds me of the heritage this iconic car has, and what Ford has bought to motorsport over many many years (not mentioning the GT40 and Le Mans)…
I’m also not going to mention the new TVR which will be powered by a Ford V8 breathed on by Cosworth….
Badge snobbery? Clearly these people who consider Ford to be a lesser thing have no idea.. poor blinkered souls…..
I'm just coming to the end of a three week test in a V8 (Black Fastback). My (individual) feelings on it;
I didn't get on with it at first but it's steadily grown on me. In manual at least I don't find the performance is readily available and you have to work it to get it going. It doesn't have an air of sophistication where with a mere throttle press the car knows that you want to drive it hard, but it does have some positive handling characteristics if you push it hard enough.
It's odd because I don't think the V8 is anywhere near as good as what you would deem it's competitors (thinking big engined, 4 seat Coupes so C63, Lexus RCF, RS5, M4) but it is a LOT less money than all of them. The one I have with me is worth £37k and has everything you'd ever need (I particularly like the cooled seats). I'm not sure what the next cheapest would be but I'm guessing £55k minimum?
It's by no means a terrible car, in fact it's amazing for the price. It just doesn't beat an M4 for handling, a C63 for noise or any of them for performance really. It does have something subjective about it though, it's imposing if not pretty, has real road presence and charm.
Whilst I don't agree with my Dads suggestion that I should be wearing a 10 gallon hat while driving it, it does bring something to Europe that a lot of other makes don't bring. It's not been made with feedback from Focus groups or by bean counters in an office, it's a Mustang, just get one if you want and don't if you don't.
Where I find myself scratching my head is the Ecoboost. Granted, my time in the ecoboost was only a few hours on closed roads but it didn't have that same charm. Its more sensible (yet was still a ridiculous size for our roads). It was like the Mustang but without some of the positive bits and some of the faults you forgive ,because it's a Mustang, were a bit tougher to swallow.
I didn't get on with it at first but it's steadily grown on me. In manual at least I don't find the performance is readily available and you have to work it to get it going. It doesn't have an air of sophistication where with a mere throttle press the car knows that you want to drive it hard, but it does have some positive handling characteristics if you push it hard enough.
It's odd because I don't think the V8 is anywhere near as good as what you would deem it's competitors (thinking big engined, 4 seat Coupes so C63, Lexus RCF, RS5, M4) but it is a LOT less money than all of them. The one I have with me is worth £37k and has everything you'd ever need (I particularly like the cooled seats). I'm not sure what the next cheapest would be but I'm guessing £55k minimum?
It's by no means a terrible car, in fact it's amazing for the price. It just doesn't beat an M4 for handling, a C63 for noise or any of them for performance really. It does have something subjective about it though, it's imposing if not pretty, has real road presence and charm.
Whilst I don't agree with my Dads suggestion that I should be wearing a 10 gallon hat while driving it, it does bring something to Europe that a lot of other makes don't bring. It's not been made with feedback from Focus groups or by bean counters in an office, it's a Mustang, just get one if you want and don't if you don't.
Where I find myself scratching my head is the Ecoboost. Granted, my time in the ecoboost was only a few hours on closed roads but it didn't have that same charm. Its more sensible (yet was still a ridiculous size for our roads). It was like the Mustang but without some of the positive bits and some of the faults you forgive ,because it's a Mustang, were a bit tougher to swallow.
MustardCutter said:
I'm pretty sure I could come up with some criteria in the same vein as used to write this headline to show I can run faster than Usain Bolt.
Yup.It's piss-boiling click-bait, isn't it.
Formula: compare Mustang sales with TT sales. Include all Mustang sales and exclude all TT sales except for the very top model currently available.
I honestly think that PH's journalism is about as poor as any on the 'net.
They should just go with the 'Unbelievable moment when...' b
ks and be done with it, like all the other click-baiters.PorkInsider said:
MustardCutter said:
I'm pretty sure I could come up with some criteria in the same vein as used to write this headline to show I can run faster than Usain Bolt.
Yup.It's piss-boiling click-bait, isn't it.
On the subject of Mustang sales though, it goes someway towards restoring my faith in the British public that they are selling strongly and people are mostly going for the V8. I've seen and heard a couple of them now and was not disappointed.
Edited by MustardCutter on Thursday 25th August 16:22
Gibbo205 said:
I am loving mine, when its on the road but thats another story:
This, for me, is the best looking 'stang since Steve McQueen's fastback in Bullit and Eleanor in Gone in Sixty Seconds In fact I'd go as far as to say it's the best looking motor to ever come out of the good ole US of A.... No really If you can tune the suspension (as in the one above) and give it some proper power then it really is a winner... all IMO.. Whoever designed this knew how to pen a good looking car...
Edited to add, an article on how well the new Mustang is selling really, really didn't need any contrived numbers or even mention of Audi TT's.... Horrible nasty little hairdressers cars that they are... and diesel versions? Unbelievable....
Edited by ChilliWhizz on Thursday 25th August 16:56
Devil2575 said:
However once the novelty factor wears off and everyone realises it is just a Ford a lot of that attention will be lost. There's a reason why companies spend money on branding, it works. Many people buy cars pretty much on the strength of the brand alone even if they wouldn't admit it. If it wasn't for branding no one would have bought a 116i for example.It has nothing to do with quality and everything to do the BMW badge being seen as a status symbol, despite what the well heeled on PH might say.
Truth is many people won't even know what a Mustang is and when you tell them it's a Ford they will not be that impressed.
Coupes not that popular in the 90s? How many 3 series coupes did BMW sell? A coupe is all about image and Ford just doesn't say that you're doing well.
Are coupes really becoming that much cooler now? I also bet the vast majority of coupes sold today are diesels and German.
How exactly have the Americans owned the sector?
I can't really take you seriously. if you think you're not part of the problem because "it's just a Ford", there is no point arguing about it.Truth is many people won't even know what a Mustang is and when you tell them it's a Ford they will not be that impressed.
Coupes not that popular in the 90s? How many 3 series coupes did BMW sell? A coupe is all about image and Ford just doesn't say that you're doing well.
Are coupes really becoming that much cooler now? I also bet the vast majority of coupes sold today are diesels and German.
How exactly have the Americans owned the sector?
People LEASE BMWs rather than buy them.
I agree there must be an imagined status as none would sell on looks or performance, bar the M4.
Funnily enough, I do a lot of car shows and people do love and know their Mustangs and no matter how many times you mention it is a Ford, no-one seems to care nor does it alter their perception, nor do they care about any BMW (or even 911) parked next to it.
That said, the new Mustang is very Audi-ish and I have seen many and thought it an A5, from a distance. Shame.
By coupes, I didn't mean two door saloons like BMW make, it was always hard to tell them apart. I mean nobody ever called a 2 door Cortina a coupe, that was a German thing. If it hadn't been for the M3, I doubt anyone would notice.
Then we had the pseudo-coupe like the Scirocco which is just a hatchback.
You are of course right that most of these "aspirational" coupes have tractor engines and I shudder to think that Ford might suddenly come over all mainstream sales and plonk one in.
Americans have owned the sector because, not for one second have they contemplated fitting a diesel, not for one second have they lay down and rolled in laurels and let the product become stagnant. What is amazing is that the Mustang has continued to sell in huge numbers in the US, even when it was a crappy little base spec V6, even when they tried to replace it with the Probe, even when the base v8, in 2005, produced a reasonable 300hp, they evolved and increased the power and capacity. The Mustang single-handedly brought back the Challenger and the Camaro from the dead.
In Europe, the TT has sold from a high of around 38000 cars in 07 to 22000 cars in 2015. In 205, the Mustang only sold just under 5000 units in its first year.
However, in the US, the TT managed 1167 in the US while the Mustang sold 122,000 cars in 2015 (a high of 160,000 cars in 2006) which is not bad for a car with a base engine of 3.7 litres making 305hp. Even the Camaro only managed 77000 in the US in 2015.
By comparison, BMW sold 140,000 3 and 4 series cars in the US - that's for every model though - coupe, sedan, convertible etc.
Finally, it "owns the sector" in terms of what you get for your money - £37k gets you the square root of sod all in the BMW line-up.
I also think people fool themselves - i don't know of anyone who is impressed by anyone having a BMW or an Audi - they seem to fool themselves that others are impressed - but people generally assume they are leased or on PCP, regardless.
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