RE: Ford Mustang outsells Audi TT!

[Matt Harper]

ash73 said:

They should make a V8 Mustang that runs on 4 cylinders when you're pootling about, then everyone's a winner. 20-25mpg average is a bit hard to swallow when the dreary VW 2.0TD repmobile next door does a claimed 1 million mpg.

Interesting idea - but practically impossible with quad cam Coyote engine. I have a 6.4l Dodge which has a cylinder deactivation system (MDS) that makes a marginal positive difference - but was utilized only to satisfy US manufacturer's C.A.F..E. mandate - being that the new model's combined ave fuel consumption should be better than the outgoing one (in Mopar's case, the non-MDS 6.1l Apache engine).

C.A.F.E. requirement is why 2017/8 my year Mustang GT will have a 6cyl Ecoboost engine - Ford cannot cost effectively improve Coyote fuel consumption without dropping HP output that would make it uncompetitive with GM/Mopar pushrod offerings.

[Gibbo205]

Merc 450 said:

which is the standard £35K v8, when i looking at the brochure online it was a lot slower 0-60 and top end than my Audi.
Wouldn't put me off though the audi is the ultimate q car (surprises everything it passes) i prefer the louder V8's like my old cerbera
Both would be the best plan and that grey one is the same colour as the Audi
Oh and if we are not comparing like with like Audi do the 530hp RS6 and the 330hp bi turbo diesel as well
Or if you haven't got a dog the 702hp RS7
Even my 300hp 3 litre oil burner sounds good with the exhaust turned up in flappy paddle mode

Diesel sounds junk full stop, I hate it when I have to drive diesels, turbo lag, stupidly short power bands and that sound, oh my I just turn the stereo up loud. Best diesel I drove was the 335D and that was still meh, a friend has an A5 3.0 quattro with remap and its still not close in performance and to drive it is so boring.

R8, RS6 are fast cars, but only the R8 is decent to drive, infact its awesome, but all the other RS Audi's I find them just understeer queens built for those who want to pose, though admittedly they are very nice places to be but they are in my view not fun at all. Mustang, TVR, Lotus, hell even BMW are miles ahead in the smiles per mile.

Also bear in mind throw 10k at a 35k Mustang, will give it great handling and 800 horsepower, that is quarter mile in around 10.5s at 135mph. Still cheaper than an Audi RS and vastly quicker.

[Merc 450]

Gibbo205 said:

Merc 450 said:

which is the standard £35K v8, when i looking at the brochure online it was a lot slower 0-60 and top end than my Audi.
Wouldn't put me off though the audi is the ultimate q car (surprises everything it passes) i prefer the louder V8's like my old cerbera
Both would be the best plan and that grey one is the same colour as the Audi
Oh and if we are not comparing like with like Audi do the 530hp RS6 and the 330hp bi turbo diesel as well
Or if you haven't got a dog the 702hp RS7
Even my 300hp 3 litre oil burner sounds good with the exhaust turned up in flappy paddle mode

Diesel sounds junk full stop, I hate it when I have to drive diesels, turbo lag, stupidly short power bands and that sound, oh my I just turn the stereo up loud. Best diesel I drove was the 335D and that was still meh, a friend has an A5 3.0 quattro with remap and its still not close in performance and to drive it is so boring.

R8, RS6 are fast cars, but only the R8 is decent to drive, infact its awesome, but all the other RS Audi's I find them just understeer queens built for those who want to pose, though admittedly they are very nice places to be but they are in my view not fun at all. Mustang, TVR, Lotus, hell even BMW are miles ahead in the smiles per mile.

Also bear in mind throw 10k at a 35k Mustang, will give it great handling and 800 horsepower, that is quarter mile in around 10.5s at 135mph. Still cheaper than an Audi RS and vastly quicker.

Disagree on the sound of the Audi I love it, 3rd best sounding car I've owned behind a TVR Cerbera with straight through exhaust and a 5.7 hemi v8 Chrysler 300c. Mustang is still on my shortlist along with a secondhand 911 or a secondhand dodge challenger srt(702 horsepower)

[Matt Harper]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Doubtful, I think.

I dont think Ford have the balls to drop a V8 Mustang.

I think it'll be a Coyote but with direct injection.

Doubt all you like, el kapitein, Ford have made no secret that this is absolutely going to happen - and already has, in the case of F150 (including Raptor).

Note that I didn't state there would be no V8 Mustang - there will
, but they will be GT350, Boss 302 etc - not GT.

[Smokey32]

Remap that a6 derv it will be a rocket ship.😂

[MaestroTDI]

Ahh, the clickbait. How nice.

[PorkInsider]

Matt Bird said:

PorkInsider said:

MustardCutter said:

I'm pretty sure I could come up with some criteria in the same vein as used to write this headline to show I can run faster than Usain Bolt.

Yup.

It's piss-boiling click-bait, isn't it.

Formula: compare Mustang sales with TT sales. Include all Mustang sales and exclude all TT sales except for the very top model currently available.

I honestly think that PH's journalism is about as poor as any on the 'net.

They should just go with the 'Unbelievable moment when...' bks and be done with it, like all the other click-baiters.

Sorry, I'm not having this. Sure, I wrote the headline to attract people to the story because I always think it's entertaining to poke a bit of fun at the established popular sports cars. But I've also said in the first paragraph exactly what the criteria Ford worked with and how the general TT range is most likely selling more than the Mustang. Of course Ford are going to want to tilt things in their favour but we've also outlined all the facts we had available to show how it's a very specialised field.

You do realise that is exactly what click-bait is, don't you?

[Fats25]

Matt Harper said:

Doubt all you like, el kapitein, Ford have made no secret that this is absolutely going to happen - and already has, in the case of F150 (including Raptor).

Rumour I hear is that the F150 will come back in V8 for next year.......... Read elsewhere on PH.

[lee_erm]

I heard rumour the Mustang GT will come with the 1.0 ecoboost next year.

[aeropilot]

^



What it will come with next year is a new auto gearbox......a 10-speed one.

Perhaps the most interesting thing about that, is that this new gearbox is a joint development venture between Ford and GM.......!!!!!!

That would have been an unthinkable proposition back in the heyday of the original Mustang.

[peter450]

Merc 450 said:

Gibbo205 said:

Merc 450 said:

which is the standard £35K v8, when i looking at the brochure online it was a lot slower 0-60 and top end than my Audi.
Wouldn't put me off though the audi is the ultimate q car (surprises everything it passes) i prefer the louder V8's like my old cerbera
Both would be the best plan and that grey one is the same colour as the Audi
Oh and if we are not comparing like with like Audi do the 530hp RS6 and the 330hp bi turbo diesel as well
Or if you haven't got a dog the 702hp RS7
Even my 300hp 3 litre oil burner sounds good with the exhaust turned up in flappy paddle mode

Diesel sounds junk full stop, I hate it when I have to drive diesels, turbo lag, stupidly short power bands and that sound, oh my I just turn the stereo up loud. Best diesel I drove was the 335D and that was still meh, a friend has an A5 3.0 quattro with remap and its still not close in performance and to drive it is so boring.

R8, RS6 are fast cars, but only the R8 is decent to drive, infact its awesome, but all the other RS Audi's I find them just understeer queens built for those who want to pose, though admittedly they are very nice places to be but they are in my view not fun at all. Mustang, TVR, Lotus, hell even BMW are miles ahead in the smiles per mile.

Also bear in mind throw 10k at a 35k Mustang, will give it great handling and 800 horsepower, that is quarter mile in around 10.5s at 135mph. Still cheaper than an Audi RS and vastly quicker.

Disagree on the sound of the Audi I love it, 3rd best sounding car I've owned behind a TVR Cerbera with straight through exhaust and a 5.7 hemi v8 Chrysler 300c. Mustang is still on my shortlist along with a secondhand 911 or a secondhand dodge challenger srt(702 horsepower)

He's right diesels sound naff, people buy them with an eye on their wallets that's it, sales were virtually zero before the govt stepped in with loads of tax incentives and the situation is much the same across Europe.

[J4CKO]

lee_erm said:

I heard rumour the Mustang GT will come with the 1.0 ecoboost next year.

With 140 bhp it wouldnt be fast, but probably faster than a lot of older Mustangs, there is a 125 bhp 1 litre Mondeo available, they did the Capri with a 50 odd bhp 1.3 originally, even the V6 was only 130 ish but obviously a lot lighter than the Mustang, still, I bet they would sell the odd one, the majestic roar of the straight 3

Probably about 12 to sixty, the actual Ecoboost wouldnt seem like such a poor relation then I expect.

Weird how perception is altered when there is a higher powered option, the Focus RS is a bit more powerful but nobody says that is gutless, especially when you see what the Americans are doing with the Ecoboost.

I love the fact that a 300 bhp Audi diesel manages to be quicker "on paper", would be interesting to see on tarmac, a 120 bhp power disadvantage would put me off.

[NJH]

A mate of mine had a baby Capri, fairly sure he I can remember him stepping into the engine bay to work on it (that may be a bit of a 25+ years ago so its hazy extrapolation from the truth, lol). Its hard to imagine a car and an engine more mismatched.

[aeropilot]

NJH said:

A mate of mine had a baby Capri, fairly sure he I can remember him stepping into the engine bay to work on it (that may be a bit of a 25+ years ago so its hazy extrapolation from the truth, lol). Its hard to imagine a car and an engine more mismatched.

You could certainly do that with the early Mk1's with the V4 engine - I remember a mate doing the same.

[NJH]

Brilliant, thanks for that made my night.

Seems ridiculous now looking back, you can barely get your hands down into the engine bay in most modern cars.

[Merc 450]

peter450 said:

Merc 450 said:

Gibbo205 said:

Merc 450 said:

which is the standard £35K v8, when i looking at the brochure online it was a lot slower 0-60 and top end than my Audi.
Wouldn't put me off though the audi is the ultimate q car (surprises everything it passes) i prefer the louder V8's like my old cerbera
Both would be the best plan and that grey one is the same colour as the Audi
Oh and if we are not comparing like with like Audi do the 530hp RS6 and the 330hp bi turbo diesel as well
Or if you haven't got a dog the 702hp RS7
Even my 300hp 3 litre oil burner sounds good with the exhaust turned up in flappy paddle mode

Diesel sounds junk full stop, I hate it when I have to drive diesels, turbo lag, stupidly short power bands and that sound, oh my I just turn the stereo up loud. Best diesel I drove was the 335D and that was still meh, a friend has an A5 3.0 quattro with remap and its still not close in performance and to drive it is so boring.

R8, RS6 are fast cars, but only the R8 is decent to drive, infact its awesome, but all the other RS Audi's I find them just understeer queens built for those who want to pose, though admittedly they are very nice places to be but they are in my view not fun at all. Mustang, TVR, Lotus, hell even BMW are miles ahead in the smiles per mile.

Also bear in mind throw 10k at a 35k Mustang, will give it great handling and 800 horsepower, that is quarter mile in around 10.5s at 135mph. Still cheaper than an Audi RS and vastly quicker.

Disagree on the sound of the Audi I love it, 3rd best sounding car I've owned behind a TVR Cerbera with straight through exhaust and a 5.7 hemi v8 Chrysler 300c. Mustang is still on my shortlist along with a secondhand 911 or a secondhand dodge challenger srt(702 horsepower)

He's right diesels sound naff, people buy them with an eye on their wallets that's it, sales were virtually zero before the govt stepped in with loads of tax incentives and the situation is much the same across Europe.

Eye on there wallet, there not cheap mine was £42K new and cost me £28K as a two year old

[Pommygranite]

J4CKO said:

lee_erm said:

I heard rumour the Mustang GT will come with the 1.0 ecoboost next year.

With 140 bhp it wouldnt be fast, but probably faster than a lot of older Mustangs, there is a 125 bhp 1 litre Mondeo available, they did the Capri with a 50 odd bhp 1.3 originally, even the V6 was only 130 ish but obviously a lot lighter than the Mustang, still, I bet they would sell the odd one, the majestic roar of the straight 3

Probably about 12 to sixty, the actual Ecoboost wouldnt seem like such a poor relation then I expect.

Weird how perception is altered when there is a higher powered option, the Focus RS is a bit more powerful but nobody says that is gutless, especially when you see what the Americans are doing with the Ecoboost.

I love the fact that a 300 bhp Audi diesel manages to be quicker "on paper", would be interesting to see on tarmac, a 120 bhp power disadvantage would put me off.

Perception hey - a dude gets a fake pair of tits put in and apparently he's a chick with a dick. No he's just a dude with tits.

You can have most of the right ingredients but ultimately unless you have all of them it's not the real deal.

[drpep]

They're a lovely shapen bit of kit; perfect here in the US but a bit big and unwieldy for UK roads. I wouldn't fancy attacking a B-road in one. That said, for cheap, naturally aspirated V8-ness which is surely now one of the last of it's kind, go for it - you won't be able to in 10 years.

[aeropilot]

drpep said:

That said, for cheap, naturally aspirated V8-ness which is surely now one of the last of it's kind, go for it - you won't be able to in 10 years.

Not sure you'll be able to in 5 years time, let alone 10!!

[Dave Hedgehog]

aeropilot said:

drpep said:

That said, for cheap, naturally aspirated V8-ness which is surely now one of the last of it's kind, go for it - you won't be able to in 10 years.

Not sure you'll be able to in 5 years time, let alone 10!!

even if they stop selling new ones your not going to have problems getting parts for rebuilds or crate engines from the US, its such a massive market out there