RE: Ford Mustang outsells Audi TT!
Discussion
Pommygranite said:
J4CKO said:
lee_erm said:
I heard rumour the Mustang GT will come with the 1.0 ecoboost next year.
With 140 bhp it wouldnt be fast, but probably faster than a lot of older Mustangs, there is a 125 bhp 1 litre Mondeo available, they did the Capri with a 50 odd bhp 1.3 originally, even the V6 was only 130 ish but obviously a lot lighter than the Mustang, still, I bet they would sell the odd one, the majestic roar of the straight 3 
Probably about 12 to sixty, the actual Ecoboost wouldnt seem like such a poor relation then I expect.
Weird how perception is altered when there is a higher powered option, the Focus RS is a bit more powerful but nobody says that is gutless, especially when you see what the Americans are doing with the Ecoboost.
I love the fact that a 300 bhp Audi diesel manages to be quicker "on paper", would be interesting to see on tarmac, a 120 bhp power disadvantage would put me off.
You can have most of the right ingredients but ultimately unless you have all of them it's not the real deal.
I would rather have a V8 version but plenty would be happy with the 4 cyl and not even think about it, Ford make a range to service a market they have identified, there are diesel oupes and convertibles and people buy them, not everyone is obsessed with cylinder counts and noise, or cant actually afford one.
I am enjoying running a V8 myself but it isnt for everyone, 20 mpg, more insurance, £500 VED, higher servicing costs.
I personally wouldnt buy an Ecoboost Mustang, I would get the V8 or nothing but I can see things from other people perspective.
AndySheff said:
MarshPhantom said:
It's certainly nothing new, the Mustang has been available with the 2.3 4 pot since 1974.
Eeerrmmm, what ? WAS available with a 4 pot for a brief time !?......Available with a 4 cyl engine through both 2nd generation and 3rd generation between 1974 and 1993, so almost 20 years, is hardly what I'd call brief period!!
AndySheff said:
MarshPhantom said:
It's certainly nothing new, the Mustang has been available with the 2.3 4 pot since 1974.
Eeerrmmm, what ? WAS available with a 4 pot for a brief time !?......So V8 with 160 bhp or 4 cyl with 310 ?
aeropilot said:
Depends on your definition of 'brief'...!!
Available with a 4 cyl engine through both 2nd generation and 3rd generation between 1974 and 1993, so almost 20 years, is hardly what I'd call brief period!!
Yeah but 'since 74'implies it was available from then to now. And did it really live to 93 ?Available with a 4 cyl engine through both 2nd generation and 3rd generation between 1974 and 1993, so almost 20 years, is hardly what I'd call brief period!!
AndySheff said:
aeropilot said:
Depends on your definition of 'brief'...!!
Available with a 4 cyl engine through both 2nd generation and 3rd generation between 1974 and 1993, so almost 20 years, is hardly what I'd call brief period!!
Yeah but 'since 74'implies it was available from then to now. And did it really live to 93 ?Available with a 4 cyl engine through both 2nd generation and 3rd generation between 1974 and 1993, so almost 20 years, is hardly what I'd call brief period!!
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Smokey32 said:
I cant see the point in a 4 cylinder mustang. I just cant. Its not a Mustang without a v8. The 4 cylinder is hardly a ford fiesta to run.
I can see a few circumstances where it fits - for young drivers who cant get insured on the V8 for example, or even for those (few) who prefer the I4T power delivery to the big V8NA.However, those who buy on the grounds of running costs and fuel economy have made a mistake. Looking around the M6G forums, EBs seem to average around the same as the V8, especially when they are pushed a bit. Servicing costs the same (or more), and theres a lot more mechanical stuff to worry about IMO.
Worth mentioning though, that in some markets the price difference between the EB and the GT is vast (due to Co2 taxation), which prices the V8 out of the market. Here in NL:
EB manual: 45k euro
EB auto: 70k euro
GT manual: 110k euro
GT auto: 115k euro
Add on another 5k for the cabrio and another 3-5k for options.
Just a thought, because I suspect that some will hear "Ecoboost" and assume 4 cylinders.
The engine that Mustang GT will have in 2017/8 M/Y is the 3.5L V6 Nano as per:
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en...
It is already in 2016/7 F150.
If Ford is truly committed to wringing-out development of the DOHC V8 - they would have utilized an iteration of in in the next gen Ford GT, being their performance halo.
The engine that Mustang GT will have in 2017/8 M/Y is the 3.5L V6 Nano as per:
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en...
It is already in 2016/7 F150.
If Ford is truly committed to wringing-out development of the DOHC V8 - they would have utilized an iteration of in in the next gen Ford GT, being their performance halo.
Matt Harper said:
Just a thought, because I suspect that some will hear "Ecoboost" and assume 4 cylinders.
The engine that Mustang GT will have in 2017/8 M/Y is the 3.5L V6 Nano as per:
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en...
It is already in 2016/7 F150.
If Ford is truly committed to wringing-out development of the DOHC V8 - they would have utilized an iteration of in in the next gen Ford GT, being their performance halo.
Sadly I have to agree with you. Imho If it doesn't happen in the later S550 mustangs; 2020 onwards I can see it happening in its successor which going by previous iterations will be late 2024. The lineup will change to:The engine that Mustang GT will have in 2017/8 M/Y is the 3.5L V6 Nano as per:
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en...
It is already in 2016/7 F150.
If Ford is truly committed to wringing-out development of the DOHC V8 - they would have utilized an iteration of in in the next gen Ford GT, being their performance halo.
Base model: Ecoboost I4
GT: Ecoboost V6
SVT/Shelby: Ecoboost/Supercharged V8 of some description.
Ford won't can the V8 totally just yet.
There is one caveat to that though (again imho) and it also depends on what Chevy and Dodge do with the Camaro and the Challenger. If they don't drop the V8 in their GT equivalents I doubt Ford will as they will lose sales to them, they may gain some sales from other areas of the market too but give the option of a boosted V6 Mustang GT and a N/A V8 competitor I know where my money would go if I were in the market.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
I can see a few circumstances where it fits - for young drivers who cant get insured on the V8 for example, or even for those (few) who prefer the I4T power delivery to the big V8NA.
However, those who buy on the grounds of running costs and fuel economy have made a mistake. Looking around the M6G forums, EBs seem to average around the same as the V8, especially when they are pushed a bit. Servicing costs the same (or more), and theres a lot more mechanical stuff to worry about IMO.
This is the problem for me. At first I thought why bother with the ecoboost, clearly if you want a Mustang, you want a V8. I agree that your thoughts on this might differ if you are from US where Mustangs are more mainstream, but in the UK, right now, they are still niche, and people still think back to the classic muscle / pony cars so V8 it is.However, those who buy on the grounds of running costs and fuel economy have made a mistake. Looking around the M6G forums, EBs seem to average around the same as the V8, especially when they are pushed a bit. Servicing costs the same (or more), and theres a lot more mechanical stuff to worry about IMO.
Then I started to think about it more. I was looking for a nice, fun car capable of seating 4 adults. Something that was a bit special for highdays and holidays. The 2005 on Mustang did come into consideration, especially as the thought of using one daily entered my mind. My budget not stretching to a new one, though I was put off mainly by the LHD for daily use, and wasn't sure it was special enough otherwise..
Anyway, looking at my situation now, I have a few cars in my garage, and I honestly struggle to think what I'd replace them with.
My 2 regular use cars are a Panda 100hp (my daily) and an Alfa 159 1.9jtdm (family car / wife's daily). I have a 2.5 year old.
In a few years time, when the little one is old enough to climb in and out of the car, a 4 seat coupe would do the trick.
An Ecoboost Mustang sounds very appealing (assuming there is space in the back!)
Well, that is until someone says they don't cost much less than the V8 to run...
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