RE: Tesla announces P100D upgrades
Discussion
When I had a test drive in a P85D and P70 the sales guy suggested that many buyers were coming from X350/X351 Jaguars. He didn't know I had one at the time. I can see why though - the Tesla is a roomy, quiet exec car with great load space, good seats, and cracking performance. Handling is certainly in the ballpark for that class of car. It feels well put together, with some nice touches.
I'm a geek and quite like the touch screen. It lacks interior storage, and the rear folding seats aren't great but still good. Doing 500+ miles a week the saving on fuel makes it very competitive on cost too. It may go like a supercar in a straight line, but I think of it more like an XJR or S65AMG.
I have a mate in the US who has been a BMW for ever, and now has a Tesla. If you can deal with the range/charging needs it's fine - I'd have one in a second if I did the miles.
I'm a geek and quite like the touch screen. It lacks interior storage, and the rear folding seats aren't great but still good. Doing 500+ miles a week the saving on fuel makes it very competitive on cost too. It may go like a supercar in a straight line, but I think of it more like an XJR or S65AMG.
I have a mate in the US who has been a BMW for ever, and now has a Tesla. If you can deal with the range/charging needs it's fine - I'd have one in a second if I did the miles.
98elise said:
cocobongo said:
What they always fail to mention is how the range is compromised by driving around at full bore (ludicrous mode) all the time. A petrol car may well gulp a load of fuel down with hard driving but a quick stop a petrol station and your off again for more fun. With the tesla you have to park up (after finding a charge point) and go for a long lunch or something before play continues!
Do articles mention how long a clutch will last if you do a few full bore standing starts in an ICE Car?
Love it
cocobongo said:
What they always fail to mention is how the range is compromised by driving around at full bore (ludicrous mode) all the time. A petrol car may well gulp a load of fuel down with hard driving but a quick stop a petrol station and your off again for more fun. With the tesla you have to park up (after finding a charge point) and go for a long lunch or something before play continues!
Doesn't seem to make much difference. I can do a few ludicrous launches on the way home and get back having used the same sort of energy as any other day. What affects it more is rain. Noticeably.
The thing goes so fast it's mental to drive it hard all the time anyway.
98elise said:
cocobongo said:
What they always fail to mention is how the range is compromised by driving around at full bore (ludicrous mode) all the time. A petrol car may well gulp a load of fuel down with hard driving but a quick stop a petrol station and your off again for more fun. With the tesla you have to park up (after finding a charge point) and go for a long lunch or something before play continues!
Do articles mention how long a clutch will last if you do a few full bore standing starts in an ICE Car?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DRCTW-Q7o
bp1000 said:
Doesn't seem to make much difference.
I can do a few ludicrous launches on the way home and get back having used the same sort of energy as any other day. What affects it more is rain. Noticeably.
The thing goes so fast it's mental to drive it hard all the time anyway.
That's interesting, first time I've heard that, any ideas why?I can do a few ludicrous launches on the way home and get back having used the same sort of energy as any other day. What affects it more is rain. Noticeably.
The thing goes so fast it's mental to drive it hard all the time anyway.
What's your average experience on actual range vs quoted for your model?
Cheers
I had a go in one a few months ago and was impressed, it's a nice looking car and the interior was also good. The autopilot feature had just been launched and I tested this out too and was very impressed, it's a great feature for a long motorway drive.
The + points for me was it looked well built and featured
I test drove the lowest powered variant and was impressed, performance was good
Their are some things to bear in mind though
This car is not buy plug in and forget
Just like a normal car it needls going down the garage for a service !!
Just like a normal car it depreciates and this will be a major factor in the overall running costs
In fact the only real difference to a normal car is that it's cheaper to fill up, the price you pay is it takes longer to fill up
Their are various incentives in different countries around these types of vehicles but I would not bank on these being their for the long term
My view on the car was it came across as a viable alternative to rival petrol powered cars, but it's definitely not a case of buy and then not have to worry about doing anything other than plug it in.
The + points for me was it looked well built and featured
I test drove the lowest powered variant and was impressed, performance was good
Their are some things to bear in mind though
This car is not buy plug in and forget
Just like a normal car it needls going down the garage for a service !!
Just like a normal car it depreciates and this will be a major factor in the overall running costs
In fact the only real difference to a normal car is that it's cheaper to fill up, the price you pay is it takes longer to fill up
Their are various incentives in different countries around these types of vehicles but I would not bank on these being their for the long term
My view on the car was it came across as a viable alternative to rival petrol powered cars, but it's definitely not a case of buy and then not have to worry about doing anything other than plug it in.
Fire99 said:
Now this is interesting.. Why rain?
Surely wipers don't affect range that much?
Because tye tyres are pumping gallons of water round in circles as well as moving the car, cycling is more tiring in the rain and ice cars lose mpg, but ev drivers pay more attention to range in general so are more likely to notice than ice drivers.Surely wipers don't affect range that much?
Derek Chevalier said:
98elise said:
cocobongo said:
What they always fail to mention is how the range is compromised by driving around at full bore (ludicrous mode) all the time. A petrol car may well gulp a load of fuel down with hard driving but a quick stop a petrol station and your off again for more fun. With the tesla you have to park up (after finding a charge point) and go for a long lunch or something before play continues!
Do articles mention how long a clutch will last if you do a few full bore standing starts in an ICE Car?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DRCTW-Q7o
peter450 said:
I had a go in one a few months ago and was impressed, it's a nice looking car and the interior was also good. The autopilot feature had just been launched and I tested this out too and was very impressed, it's a great feature for a long motorway drive.
The + points for me was it looked well built and featured
I test drove the lowest powered variant and was impressed, performance was good
Their are some things to bear in mind though
This car is not buy plug in and forget
Just like a normal car it needls going down the garage for a service !!
Just like a normal car it depreciates and this will be a major factor in the overall running costs
In fact the only real difference to a normal car is that it's cheaper to fill up, the price you pay is it takes longer to fill up
Their are various incentives in different countries around these types of vehicles but I would not bank on these being their for the long term
My view on the car was it came across as a viable alternajtive to rival petrol powered cars, but it's definitely not a case of buy and then not have to worry about doing anything other than plug it in.
They actually need minimal servicing. Some of the items listed on EV services are a joke. Tesla don't actually require you to service the car to maintain the warranty. If you look at what's done its minimal anyway.The + points for me was it looked well built and featured
I test drove the lowest powered variant and was impressed, performance was good
Their are some things to bear in mind though
This car is not buy plug in and forget
Just like a normal car it needls going down the garage for a service !!
Just like a normal car it depreciates and this will be a major factor in the overall running costs
In fact the only real difference to a normal car is that it's cheaper to fill up, the price you pay is it takes longer to fill up
Their are various incentives in different countries around these types of vehicles but I would not bank on these being their for the long term
My view on the car was it came across as a viable alternajtive to rival petrol powered cars, but it's definitely not a case of buy and then not have to worry about doing anything other than plug it in.
ETA...
Tesla service schedule
Annual service...
Multi point inspection (w/ tire rotation and alignment check)
Cabin air filter replacement
Wiper blade set replacement
Key fob battery replacement (set)
Plus Every 2 years...
Brake fluid replacement
A/C service
Plus every 4 years..
Battery coolant replacement
And none of that is required to maintain the warranty.
Edited by 98elise on Sunday 28th August 15:22
RobDickinson said:
mybrainhurts said:
If Musky is relying on battery sales to support his business, he'd better watch out for those pesky Chinese who're developing liquid electricity.
If someone comes along with a better battery/energy store I'm sure Musk would love it tbh.The entire USP for the Tesla, acceleration. Sums it up.
Just put over a ton of batteries shipped from half way round the world in an otherwise completely conventionally designed and built car.
Why not put in 1,5 tons and make it really quick.
In comparison to the i3 this is a Buick from the 70's and deserves the same kind of reputation.
See quite a lot of them here being driven 95% of the time with the driver only and mostly driven very short distances.
Tesla has no chance once the likes of VW Group start flexing their muscles. Especially given that their key supplier, Bosch designs and builds the hybrid systems for both Audi and Porka in the WEC and has just built a modular system for both energy delivery, recovery and management. JLR are racing electric cars and using Williams. MC Laren have Honda who finally are getting to the top of the time sheets in F1. Might be why no one has licensed Tesla's electric tech.
There used to be two electric car manufacturers in the US. Now there is one and it is not profitable.
Just put over a ton of batteries shipped from half way round the world in an otherwise completely conventionally designed and built car.
Why not put in 1,5 tons and make it really quick.
In comparison to the i3 this is a Buick from the 70's and deserves the same kind of reputation.
See quite a lot of them here being driven 95% of the time with the driver only and mostly driven very short distances.
Tesla has no chance once the likes of VW Group start flexing their muscles. Especially given that their key supplier, Bosch designs and builds the hybrid systems for both Audi and Porka in the WEC and has just built a modular system for both energy delivery, recovery and management. JLR are racing electric cars and using Williams. MC Laren have Honda who finally are getting to the top of the time sheets in F1. Might be why no one has licensed Tesla's electric tech.
There used to be two electric car manufacturers in the US. Now there is one and it is not profitable.
Why on earth would anyone "licence" Tesla's technology when it's freely available? smilo996 said:
The entire USP for the Tesla, acceleration. Sums it up.
Just put over a ton of batteries shipped from half way round the world in an otherwise completely conventionally designed and built car.
Why not put in 1,5 tons and make it really quick.
In comparison to the i3 this is a Buick from the 70's and deserves the same kind of reputation.
See quite a lot of them here being driven 95% of the time with the driver only and mostly driven very short distances.
Tesla has no chance once the likes of VW Group start flexing their muscles. Especially given that their key supplier, Bosch designs and builds the hybrid systems for both Audi and Porka in the WEC and has just built a modular system for both energy delivery, recovery and management. JLR are racing electric cars and using Williams. MC Laren have Honda who finally are getting to the top of the time sheets in F1. Might be why no one has licensed Tesla's electric tech.
There used to be two electric car manufacturers in the US. Now there is one and it is not profitable.
VW better hurry up, so far they have slapped an electric motor in a Golf, they are too busy reeling fromt he emissions scandal and the rest dont seem to have a product in the market, not one comparable to the model S, there are the Zoe and the Leaf, decent but a bit of a mundane hatchback, the Volt, only seen one, BMW are are the nearest I reckon but not seen many i3's, fair few i8's but seen loads of Model S's, even if it is based on Kojaks car.Just put over a ton of batteries shipped from half way round the world in an otherwise completely conventionally designed and built car.
Why not put in 1,5 tons and make it really quick.
In comparison to the i3 this is a Buick from the 70's and deserves the same kind of reputation.
See quite a lot of them here being driven 95% of the time with the driver only and mostly driven very short distances.
Tesla has no chance once the likes of VW Group start flexing their muscles. Especially given that their key supplier, Bosch designs and builds the hybrid systems for both Audi and Porka in the WEC and has just built a modular system for both energy delivery, recovery and management. JLR are racing electric cars and using Williams. MC Laren have Honda who finally are getting to the top of the time sheets in F1. Might be why no one has licensed Tesla's electric tech.
There used to be two electric car manufacturers in the US. Now there is one and it is not profitable.
Not sure why you would expect a Tesla driver to carry more people than the average car and not do short journies, that is just what people do with cars generally.
The car is fairly conventional apart from the electronics and packaging, was it meant to look like a spacecraft ? it is an electric motor(s), batteries and all the normal stuff, dont think anyone else is doing much different ?
Not profitable, yet, however I dont think the main manufacturers are exactly raking it in, they had bailouts not that long ago.
smilo996 said:
The entire USP for the Tesla, acceleration. Sums it up.
Just put over a ton of batteries shipped from half way round the world in an otherwise completely conventionally designed and built car.
Why not put in 1,5 tons and make it really quick.
In comparison to the i3 this is a Buick from the 70's and deserves the same kind of reputation.
See quite a lot of them here being driven 95% of the time with the driver only and mostly driven very short distances.
Tesla has no chance once the likes of VW Group start flexing their muscles. Especially given that their key supplier, Bosch designs and builds the hybrid systems for both Audi and Porka in the WEC and has just built a modular system for both energy delivery, recovery and management. JLR are racing electric cars and using Williams. MC Laren have Honda who finally are getting to the top of the time sheets in F1. Might be why no one has licensed Tesla's electric tech.
There used to be two electric car manufacturers in the US. Now there is one and it is not profitable.
Tesla's USP is being an EV that's viable as normal car. Up to now they have been too compromised. The acceleration is just a party piece for the performance models. As to the weight look up the weight of any saloon car of that size. Then look at any big 4wd (which the performance models are).Just put over a ton of batteries shipped from half way round the world in an otherwise completely conventionally designed and built car.
Why not put in 1,5 tons and make it really quick.
In comparison to the i3 this is a Buick from the 70's and deserves the same kind of reputation.
See quite a lot of them here being driven 95% of the time with the driver only and mostly driven very short distances.
Tesla has no chance once the likes of VW Group start flexing their muscles. Especially given that their key supplier, Bosch designs and builds the hybrid systems for both Audi and Porka in the WEC and has just built a modular system for both energy delivery, recovery and management. JLR are racing electric cars and using Williams. MC Laren have Honda who finally are getting to the top of the time sheets in F1. Might be why no one has licensed Tesla's electric tech.
There used to be two electric car manufacturers in the US. Now there is one and it is not profitable.
Oil is shipped half way round the world, and you have to keep shipping it every time you fill up. Gigafactory will build them locally, and more factories will be built across the world.
If the likes of VW step in and build better EV's to outsell Tesla, then Elon Musk will have achieved what he set out to do. As so one else said, there is no need to licence the technology as its all been free to use.
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