RE: Tesla announces P100D upgrades
Discussion
Miles Hardy said:
It makes me angry just thinking about electric cars. Dya know what's more economical. Looking after a decent car for 30 or 40 years. That's probably a trillion times better for the planet than buying 15 new ones. Also, the deaths thing. Horrid. But you must be clinically insane to trust a computer with your life for starters? You can't trust the things to send a sodding email still without having a fit from time to time, letting it drive you at 70mph? You've gotta be mad. Ban them.
Odd post.What has a EV drivetrain got to do with a vehicle lifecyle, or computers? Autonomy has nothing to do with the drive train.
ReaperCushions said:
peter450 said:
Mike_C said:
KTF said:
I don't know if they should be applauded for their honesty or if buyers wont be pleased to know that they are subsidising the cheaper models.
>100,000 Model S sold so far globally, and full order books for both Model S and Model X suggests people are quite happy to.It's not yet certain that Tesla can establish themselves as a viable player, the next few years will be crucial for them IMO
- Were not the first to produce an electric car, much like Apple were not the first to produce the first smart phone
- Both products are impressive technically, expensive and appeal to a tech savvy market
- Both have 'fan boi' type followings
- They inspire bigger manufacturers to join in and make better products (iPhone is typically behind Samsung devices for example)
- Market shifts to the new technology, inspired by the trendy (but expensive) leaders, but buy in to the mass market
- New technology has its draw backs (ironically on both products its battery related), but people put up with it for the benefits of the new technology
- Old technology still exists, but used in specific circumstances / use cases
- CEO is seen as visionary leader in the field and God like in the eyes
- I know a few Apple 'Fan Boi's who are also ordering Teslas of various models
Interesting comparisons on the mentality, culture and psychology of both businesses / products / buyers I think.
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Be interesting to see how it works for them over the next few years, if they pull it off and establish themselves as a profitable car maker then it will be quite some achievement.
Miles Hardy said:
It makes me angry just thinking about electric cars. Dya know what's more economical. Looking after a decent car for 30 or 40 years. That's probably a trillion times better for the planet than buying 15 new ones. Also, the deaths thing. Horrid. But you must be clinically insane to trust a computer with your life for starters? You can't trust the things to send a sodding email still without having a fit from time to time, letting it drive you at 70mph? You've gotta be mad. Ban them.
Trust a computer with your life ?You best never go in an airliner then !
cho said:
Great way of advertising. Tweak some software to make your car faster so the vloggers and miffed supercar owners will pit them against one another and stick it on YouTube to get loads of free publicity and keep it in the forefront every time a supercar is mentioned
Apart from its not a software tweak.Miles Hardy said:
It makes me angry just thinking about electric cars. Dya know what's more economical. Looking after a decent car for 30 or 40 years. That's probably a trillion times better for the planet than buying 15 new ones.
Instead of buying that 30 or 40 year old escort brand new in 1976 or 1986, it would have been more economical to buy a car made in 1946 or 1956. The snake is eating its tail with that reasoning.Miles Hardy said:
Also, the deaths thing. Horrid. But you must be clinically insane to trust a computer with your life for starters? You can't trust the things to send a sodding email still without having a fit from time to time, letting it drive you at 70mph? You've gotta be mad. Ban them.
I find people who are desperate to ban things are usually a bit afraid of that thing simply because the don't really understand it.RobDickinson said:
Yep, but what percentage of the total cars on the road is that?
Most are small/medium sized hatchback things like fiestas/A4's, passats etc.
I totally dont care about the engine in my current car. its there, it does its job. An EV would be quieter, better torque and more efficient.
You're asking the question that I can't answer. If you dont care about engines, cars, then EV may be just the thing. I don't view cars as white goods transport, I wish I did.Most are small/medium sized hatchback things like fiestas/A4's, passats etc.
I totally dont care about the engine in my current car. its there, it does its job. An EV would be quieter, better torque and more efficient.
yonex said:
You're asking the question that I can't answer. If you dont care about engines, cars, then EV may be just the thing.
So you ask 1000 random people if they want their car quieter/silent, faster, simpler, more efficient and cheaper to run.What do you thing the percentage of yes's would be?
Would you want an EV F type or aston? yean nah probably not. but then hypercars are already working down that path too..
Next time you are driving anywhere look at the cars around you, imagine what the people who own/drive them care about. Its not pistons thats for sure.
yonex said:
Is it only me that finds Tesla uniquely boring? They're just an appliance, massively fast, but I respect them like my Miele washing machine, nothing more.
Exactly. Motor Trend review summary against 700bhp ICE car.https://youtu.be/RWQ-dnpplaA?t=945
They also say the P85D is a bit crap around corners also. Being good in a straight line only is not something I think should be the be all and end all, not when you have so many good B roads in the UK.
People on here are getting too fixated with a one trick silent pony....
RobDickinson said:
yonex said:
You're asking the question that I can't answer. If you dont care about engines, cars, then EV may be just the thing.
So you ask 1000 random people if they want their car quieter/silent, faster, simpler, more efficient and cheaper to run.
405dogvan said:
Tesla is NOT a vanity project by any means at all
A loaded Model S is well over £100K and they can sell every one they make - an exec car which looks like a Mazda, costs over £100K and sells - erm - vanity project? NO
The silly doors on the X may have cost them a year+ of work but they sell the car to the sort of people who like that s
t in a sector which is used to spending silly money on pointless nonsense - vanity project? NO
They ANNOUNCE a 'regular car' (that is announce, not actually release) and they have queues of people handing over actual money YEARS ahead of any cars being available - vanity project? NO
Tesla has pushed the electric car market forward for sure but it's not some sort of charity drive - it's a solid business/brand in a world where brand/customers are almost more valuable than the product itself...
All of that is funding their expansion in 'more regular' cars and it's all feeding into their battery business
Whooahhhh, easy tiger! I love Tesla and what they're doing. I meant it in the sense that it's all happening because Musk wants it to, he stumps up cash whenever it needs it, he's playing the long game of trying to change the world because he wants to and he believes in it - which happens to involve selling loads of cars. He doesn't care if it makes a profit, or at least, certainly not to the same degree as say BMW's shareholders do. A loaded Model S is well over £100K and they can sell every one they make - an exec car which looks like a Mazda, costs over £100K and sells - erm - vanity project? NO
The silly doors on the X may have cost them a year+ of work but they sell the car to the sort of people who like that s
t in a sector which is used to spending silly money on pointless nonsense - vanity project? NOThey ANNOUNCE a 'regular car' (that is announce, not actually release) and they have queues of people handing over actual money YEARS ahead of any cars being available - vanity project? NO
Tesla has pushed the electric car market forward for sure but it's not some sort of charity drive - it's a solid business/brand in a world where brand/customers are almost more valuable than the product itself...
All of that is funding their expansion in 'more regular' cars and it's all feeding into their battery business
That is a great car.
I'd love one if I were in the market for a large saloon.
When the Model 3 comes to the UK, I'm having one as town car/commute to work etc. This is a step change in the car industry and infrastructure as a whole. Every single one of the arguments against it are fallacious and very defensive. We are already past the turning point.
And before you bloodthirsty planet killers call me a tree hugger, I'm also keeping the G55 AMG, the Harley and the Porsche.
Shell's pension fund investor can sleep sound.
I'd love one if I were in the market for a large saloon.
When the Model 3 comes to the UK, I'm having one as town car/commute to work etc. This is a step change in the car industry and infrastructure as a whole. Every single one of the arguments against it are fallacious and very defensive. We are already past the turning point.
And before you bloodthirsty planet killers call me a tree hugger, I'm also keeping the G55 AMG, the Harley and the Porsche.
Shell's pension fund investor can sleep sound.
Tesla.....
No matter what we think of the guy company car, it is a game changer company. It brought about a paragon shift in the automotive industry, other car makers tried and then quietly dropped or didnt market their products as aggressively. They have a fear - the car industry revolves around hydrocarbons. They need the drip gained from serving and keeping these cars on the road. An electric vehicle drops that feed. Hence a lot of interest in range extenders - keep an ic engine in the mix so you keep them comming back.
The way forward is to white goods them - you buy a washing machine its not being taken for an oil change every 6000 washes.... An annual service ? Pffft.... They tried to keep that part very low key, but as people wake up to the whole life cost and realise that the high sticker price is offset by the running costs then they start to notice. Why do you think other car manufacturers are now trying to play catch up ? The race is on to get on top of the game with EV's city center emissions are going to get draconian as we become more populated and people will turn to ev's nothing about the green credentials but simply that the ev is a much cheaper option.
Batteries are improving, power density is increasing and weight is decreasing. range is also on the up. a 500 mile charge in 15 minutes isnt that far away.
covering a 100k milage with an ic car what would the cost be ? oil changes filters fuel brakes etc
they are saying an electric car could cover 300k pretty easily. 20 year ownership at 15k miles a year. Yes the Tesla inside is pretty dire compared to Merc Audi and BMW. But thats changing, The car industry when it finds itself again will pretty much eat into Tesla, its an apple style company and there are a lot of Samsungs out there....
No matter what we think of the guy company car, it is a game changer company. It brought about a paragon shift in the automotive industry, other car makers tried and then quietly dropped or didnt market their products as aggressively. They have a fear - the car industry revolves around hydrocarbons. They need the drip gained from serving and keeping these cars on the road. An electric vehicle drops that feed. Hence a lot of interest in range extenders - keep an ic engine in the mix so you keep them comming back.
The way forward is to white goods them - you buy a washing machine its not being taken for an oil change every 6000 washes.... An annual service ? Pffft.... They tried to keep that part very low key, but as people wake up to the whole life cost and realise that the high sticker price is offset by the running costs then they start to notice. Why do you think other car manufacturers are now trying to play catch up ? The race is on to get on top of the game with EV's city center emissions are going to get draconian as we become more populated and people will turn to ev's nothing about the green credentials but simply that the ev is a much cheaper option.
Batteries are improving, power density is increasing and weight is decreasing. range is also on the up. a 500 mile charge in 15 minutes isnt that far away.
covering a 100k milage with an ic car what would the cost be ? oil changes filters fuel brakes etc
they are saying an electric car could cover 300k pretty easily. 20 year ownership at 15k miles a year. Yes the Tesla inside is pretty dire compared to Merc Audi and BMW. But thats changing, The car industry when it finds itself again will pretty much eat into Tesla, its an apple style company and there are a lot of Samsungs out there....
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