RE: Tesla announces P100D upgrades
Discussion
RobDickinson said:
Yep, but what percentage of the total cars on the road is that?
Most are small/medium sized hatchback things like fiestas/A4's, passats etc.
I totally dont care about the engine in my current car. its there, it does its job. An EV would be quieter, better torque and more efficient.
You're asking the question that I can't answer. If you dont care about engines, cars, then EV may be just the thing. I don't view cars as white goods transport, I wish I did.Most are small/medium sized hatchback things like fiestas/A4's, passats etc.
I totally dont care about the engine in my current car. its there, it does its job. An EV would be quieter, better torque and more efficient.
Another Tesla news and I still don't get it 
Yes, it is fast, all electric cars can be if you can give the electric motor enough energy. That's not something Tesla invented, its just given by physics. To get the range it uses a lot of batteries which are heavy, it is like that for years. Nobody wanted cars like that because of this problem, so no manufacturer made them. Tesla is now putting this quite old design of a fast-but-heavy drivetrain in a luxury car and suddenly they are praised like Jesus himself.
They have advantages and disadvantages, I just don't see the "this is the future!!!" aspect. Is there
Yes, it is fast, all electric cars can be if you can give the electric motor enough energy. That's not something Tesla invented, its just given by physics. To get the range it uses a lot of batteries which are heavy, it is like that for years. Nobody wanted cars like that because of this problem, so no manufacturer made them. Tesla is now putting this quite old design of a fast-but-heavy drivetrain in a luxury car and suddenly they are praised like Jesus himself.
They have advantages and disadvantages, I just don't see the "this is the future!!!" aspect. Is there
Edited by ae2006 on Thursday 25th August 08:34
babatunde said:
Impasse said:
Meh, I still have nowhere to refuel one. There are plenty of petrol stations nearby though.
Because of course your house runs on coal, and you power your computer with petrol 
I get that the very name of this site is all about guzzling V8's, chest wigs and "my other car is considerably faster than yours!" (said in jest chaps, calm down
) but depending on how old you are, it's a pretty safe bet that by the time you reach 55 - 60, if you still want a private vehicle, you'll be filling it up off your mains supply.Most peoples daily journeys are what? less than 30 miles?
As we've already seen, most of the big manufacturers are already building a hybrid vehicle, in another 10 years those ranges will increase to full electric as will volumes.
I predict an electric Porsche soon... oh wait..
ruggedscotty said:
Tesla.....
A 500 mile charge in 15 minutes isnt that far away.
A 200kwh delivery to a battery in 15 minutes (assuming 100% charging efficiency)? That would require some serious ampage and I don't believe we have 100% efficient charging.A 500 mile charge in 15 minutes isnt that far away.
Unless I have got something seriously wrong.
dlockhart said:
A 200kwh delivery to a battery in 15 minutes (assuming 100% charging efficiency)? That would require some serious ampage and I don't believe we have 100% efficient charging.
Unless I have got something seriously wrong.
Current superchargers are 120kw so that would require roughly a five-fold increase in charging rate. Unless I have got something seriously wrong.
stuckmojo said:
When the Model 3 comes to the UK, I'm having one as town car/commute to work etc. This is a step change in the car industry and infrastructure as a whole. Every single one of the arguments against it are fallacious and very defensive. We are already past the turning point.
By the time it comes to the UK, the main players will probably have their versions for sale which will take the shine off Tesla somewhat. Then it will be interesting to see how their sales hold up.
KTF said:
By the time it comes to the UK, the main players will probably have their versions for sale which will take the shine off Tesla somewhat.
Then it will be interesting to see how their sales hold up.
They are going to have a huge advantage in battery production and cost, the main players are far behind at the moment. They could catch up but need to make a serious start soon Then it will be interesting to see how their sales hold up.
kambites said:
mybrainhurts said:
These funds are bottomless, are they?
No, but Musk reckons they're deep enough to achieve that goal; especially when the battery factory opens properly and that side of the organisation moves into the black. I don't think he gives a damn if he loses every penny that he's pumping into the car side of things as long as the market shifts far enough for him to make money selling his batteries.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 24th August 21:21
Polyingticiunts picking and subsidising champions and distorting the unfettered free market is a distortion that means the optimum solution may not be reached. Then again, vested interests have virtually turned the whole 'free market' into a gov't controlled one anyway. But it means the competition between hydrogen energy storage and direct chemical energy storage is being distorted by gov't bias.
Still, Musk's battery management system is very clever and the cars are very interesting, even if their engines are not very clean nor efficient when running largely on coal. We shall need efficient chemical energy accumulators, even if there is a fuel cell stage on top.
KTF said:
stuckmojo said:
When the Model 3 comes to the UK, I'm having one as town car/commute to work etc. This is a step change in the car industry and infrastructure as a whole. Every single one of the arguments against it are fallacious and very defensive. We are already past the turning point.
By the time it comes to the UK, the main players will probably have their versions for sale which will take the shine off Tesla somewhat. Then it will be interesting to see how their sales hold up.
At the moment though, it's not a step change. Tesla sales figures are a sneeze on the end of VW's annual report and it's going to take a decade before the electric car is more than a niche product. In the mean time, everyone in the industry is looking at alternative fuels and drivetrains. Tesla deserves immense praise for changing opinions on electric cars, but their current products are very unlikely to be the end game in personal transport.
Black S2K said:
That is due largely to the Gov't boondoggles Musk receives and that is my only problem with the whole thing.
Hardly unique to Tesla though. The huge majority of Tesla's "government funding" (as in grants rather than loans which have already been repaid) is in the form of tax breaks granted by the State of Nervada for them to build the Gigafactory there. States competing to attract major employers by giving them tax breaks just seems to be how the US economy works. Tuna said:
The Chevy Volt/Bolt (terrible naming, I can never remember which one), pretty much matches the proposed Model 3 spec, and is available to buy now. There is something very Apple-like in the Tesla reality distortion field - they're exceptionally good at grabbing the headlines and sales.
You're thinking of the Bolt, the Volt is the hybrid. Unfortunately the Bolt has the same problem as the i3 - it's mind-bendingly ugly. 
It's also not available in the UK, which makes it a bit of a moot point for us.
OwenK said:
Miles Hardy said:
It makes me angry just thinking about electric cars. Dya know what's more economical. Looking after a decent car for 30 or 40 years. That's probably a trillion times better for the planet than buying 15 new ones. Also, the deaths thing. Horrid. But you must be clinically insane to trust a computer with your life for starters? You can't trust the things to send a sodding email still without having a fit from time to time, letting it drive you at 70mph? You've gotta be mad. Ban them.
Yes an old car is better for the planet than making a new one - but Teslas aren't competing with 10 year old Fiestas, are they? Tesla customers are generally dead set on buying a new car & normally it's going to be a similar expensive luxury saloon. The deaths thing? You mean the incident where someone effectively turned on the glorified cruise control and then stopped paying attention which the car specifically tells you NOT to do? And then the car crashed? Gasp. It's the equivalent of crossing your legs when you engage your normal cruise control & then not being able to brake in time to prevent an accident.
king dangerous and its tempts people not to pay attention - and if you're the one in your 100k tesla it's probably not you who dies in the collision. I think it's unbelievable it's legal to be honest. PunterCam said:
Nah, the autopilot thing should be banned. It's fking dangerous and its tempts people not to pay attention
The same argument was made about cruise control when it first appeared; then adaptive cruise control when that was introduced; then lane assist or whatever it's called when that arrived... Tesla's autopilot isn't a revolutionary thing, it's just another small step down the path that cars have been on for decades. king dangerous and its tempts people not to pay attention Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff