Cars types or manufacturers you would never purchase.
Discussion
Vitorio said:
swerni said:
Cause a 2.0 diesel jag is really exciting..... 
Id prefer the Jag over a 2.0 diesel mazda/toyota/lexus, wouldnt you?powerstroke said:
simonr100 said:
vixen1700 said:
"People aspire to own an Audi"
That statement just makes me quite sad really.
I agree but I know lots of people that do aspire to own them.That statement just makes me quite sad really.
nothing shouts I'm mr average like an Audi...
simonr100 said:
powerstroke said:
simonr100 said:
vixen1700 said:
"People aspire to own an Audi"
That statement just makes me quite sad really.
I agree but I know lots of people that do aspire to own them.That statement just makes me quite sad really.
nothing shouts I'm mr average like an Audi...
Were you run over by 760 in your childhood or something? I ask as you seem to have an irrational level of dislike for something I'd assume you've never actually experienced?
Lester H said:
HustleRussell said:
Audi. Range Rover. All show.
How can you dislike a proper full-fat Rangie?Edited by SWoll on Sunday 28th August 18:55
Peugeot,
I've been driving my girlfriends 59' 207 for a while and it's bloody horrible, loud, gutless (even in the more powerful 1.6 HDI form) thanks to those stupid panoramic windscreen that's a few miles in front of myself you can see left or right... it's like wearing blinkers for a horse... ( Peugeot could have advertised that the wind screen doubles as a squash court) also because of this stupid windscreen you can't see the front of the car, it's loud inside, quite large for a small car yet cramped inside (i'm only 5'11 yet when i'm in the back my head becomes part of the roof, all the automated functions like wipers turn themselves off when you switch the engine off, then have to be turned back on next time you drive and lastly horrible build quality for a car that cost 21k new!
I've been driving my girlfriends 59' 207 for a while and it's bloody horrible, loud, gutless (even in the more powerful 1.6 HDI form) thanks to those stupid panoramic windscreen that's a few miles in front of myself you can see left or right... it's like wearing blinkers for a horse... ( Peugeot could have advertised that the wind screen doubles as a squash court) also because of this stupid windscreen you can't see the front of the car, it's loud inside, quite large for a small car yet cramped inside (i'm only 5'11 yet when i'm in the back my head becomes part of the roof, all the automated functions like wipers turn themselves off when you switch the engine off, then have to be turned back on next time you drive and lastly horrible build quality for a car that cost 21k new!
SWoll said:
simonr100 said:
powerstroke said:
simonr100 said:
vixen1700 said:
"People aspire to own an Audi"
That statement just makes me quite sad really.
I agree but I know lots of people that do aspire to own them.That statement just makes me quite sad really.
nothing shouts I'm mr average like an Audi...
Were you run over by 760 in your childhood or something? I ask as you seem to have an irrational level of dislike for something I'd assume you've never actually experienced?
Lester H said:
HustleRussell said:
Audi. Range Rover. All show.
How can you dislike a proper full-fat Rangie?Edited by SWoll on Sunday 28th August 18:55
Now that I am older I see Volvos for what they represent to people - just a mundane car to travel in, no style but safety. Nothing to say I chose this car because I could, it's more because I had no choice. A BMW is far better made, a better drive, better looking etc. A Mercedes is better engineered still with more safety features.
You might not like the reality but that's how many people perceive Volvo drivers- unable to get better or unable to obtain anything more desirable. Or simply saving to get a premium car.
Sure they might go on for a while in mileage terms but what a dull place to be. I am done here, I just gave a basic opinion but others forced me to say more derogatory things which was not my intention. I didn't want to upset anyone.
Buy a Volvo and be happy, just watch others snigger behind your back but don't care because it was your choice.
swerni said:
Vitorio said:
swerni said:
Cause a 2.0 diesel jag is really exciting.....
Id prefer the Jag over a 2.0 diesel mazda/toyota/lexus, wouldnt you?Maybe when i'm in my 60's I might consider a 2.0 diesel jag, but I doubt it.
I think I'd rather have a buss pass
And sure, i wouldnt pick a jag if i needed a 4 pot diesel barge, but lets not pretend it is a car without merit or redeeming qualities
swerni said:
J4CKO said:
I dont think most people actually remember the old Skoda jokes, or are at least smart enough to realise that seventies jokes by Jasper Carrott were referencing the old cars which were *slightly* better Lada alternative.
Also, Volvo owners obviously aspire to own one as they bought one, I dont think they are all driving round wishing they had something German, I think a lot actively dont want something German, perhaps finding them a bit vulgar and obvious, the X5 and Q7 are nice cars but they do come with some image baggage, the XC90 is a lot less of a statement and I think they seem classier for it.
Speak for yourself.Also, Volvo owners obviously aspire to own one as they bought one, I dont think they are all driving round wishing they had something German, I think a lot actively dont want something German, perhaps finding them a bit vulgar and obvious, the X5 and Q7 are nice cars but they do come with some image baggage, the XC90 is a lot less of a statement and I think they seem classier for it.
What do you call a convertible Skoda? - a skip
How do you double the price of a Skoda? - fill up the tank with fuel
etc etc etc
Both Skoda and Volvo have a stigma for people who grew up in a certain era.
There isn't manufacturer I can think of that I wouldn't buy.
As for type, cars with crappy little diesel engines, life is too short.
I remember them all well into the 90's. They all have a stigma. Just buy what you like.
My opinion really doesn't matter - the OP asked it and I responded. No offence to anyone. Some of the cars I have owned in the past have been dreadful too but I have always aimed higher.
Vitorio said:
swerni said:
Now if they made a GT3 RS model of the Cayman..
By contrast, the fantastic GT4....Ecoty winner over the GT3 RS and £400k Maclaren has a maximum price of c £115k....simply because it is a Cayman. Stunning road car btw, incredible value and probably provides everything you could ever need for rapid and involving UK road use.......but not meant to be and in no way a hardcore 911 GT3 and by some margin.
simonr100 said:
Actually as a 7 year old child I remember trying to encourage my dad to buy a Volvo after seeing adverts on tv where a Volvo was parked and another car reversed into a space next to it, hit the Volvo and damaged itself but no damage to the Volvo. I have been driven in a Volvo and it was a dull sad drive, uninspiring, lacking of any feel or desire, it did the job but that was it.
Now that I am older I see Volvos for what they represent to people - just a mundane car to travel in, no style but safety. Nothing to say I chose this car because I could, it's more because I had no choice. A BMW is far better made, a better drive, better looking etc. A Mercedes is better engineered still with more safety features.
You might not like the reality but that's how many people perceive Volvo drivers- unable to get better or unable to obtain anything more desirable. Or simply saving to get a premium car.
Sure they might go on for a while in mileage terms but what a dull place to be. I am done here, I just gave a basic opinion but others forced me to say more derogatory things which was not my intention. I didn't want to upset anyone.
Buy a Volvo and be happy, just watch others snigger behind your back but don't care because it was your choice.
Others forced you to say more derogatory things? I'd expect my 12 year old son to come up with something better than that.Now that I am older I see Volvos for what they represent to people - just a mundane car to travel in, no style but safety. Nothing to say I chose this car because I could, it's more because I had no choice. A BMW is far better made, a better drive, better looking etc. A Mercedes is better engineered still with more safety features.
You might not like the reality but that's how many people perceive Volvo drivers- unable to get better or unable to obtain anything more desirable. Or simply saving to get a premium car.
Sure they might go on for a while in mileage terms but what a dull place to be. I am done here, I just gave a basic opinion but others forced me to say more derogatory things which was not my intention. I didn't want to upset anyone.
Buy a Volvo and be happy, just watch others snigger behind your back but don't care because it was your choice.
Not a Volvo man personally, but if I decided it was the right car for me I'm grown up enough to not be concerned about sniggering or the opinions of others. Not that I've ever seen that kind of attitude towards them anyway TBH.
av185 said:
Apart from the track use only Clubsport, it won't ever happen. Too threatening against the mighty 911. Basically, the premium on the 911 is effectively unlimited. Witness the recent 911 R.... the first ones over £1million.
By contrast, the fantastic GT4....Ecoty winner over the GT3 RS and £400k Maclaren has a maximum price of c £115k....simply because it is a Cayman. Stunning road car btw, incredible value and probably provides everything you could ever need for rapid and involving UK road use.......but not meant to be and in no way a hardcore 911 GT3 and by some margin.
Yeah, Porsche will happily keep compromising their top end sportscar by putting the engine in the wrong place to keep it "authentic"By contrast, the fantastic GT4....Ecoty winner over the GT3 RS and £400k Maclaren has a maximum price of c £115k....simply because it is a Cayman. Stunning road car btw, incredible value and probably provides everything you could ever need for rapid and involving UK road use.......but not meant to be and in no way a hardcore 911 GT3 and by some margin.
Im not their target public for the 911 anyway, havent got the money, but a used cayman in a few years.. sounds awesome
J4CKO said:
We have just bought a Vauxhall, an Astra SRi for my eldest and I quite like it, was avoiding Vauxhalls and was determined to go for a Honda Civic but they were all dog rough, got this Astra and have had a good look over it and it is pretty well mint despite 85,000 miles, it sits next to my Mercedes, My Wifes Ford and the Citroen shopping car. I just buy the right car for the job and my budget and dont owe a penny on any of them.
The older couple next door have an Astra, still looks exactly like when they bought it in 2001, has never given any trouble, my brother has one he was given by his in laws, it has not given any hassle either, he is saving for something else but it has given us an appreciation that though a little rough and ready they are decent enough cars.
Oh, and if you would like to join in on this "council estate", the house across the road is up for 750 grand.
I've done well buying Vauxhalls for next to nothing and having no problems with them at all over hundreds of thousands of miles. They're alright for me The older couple next door have an Astra, still looks exactly like when they bought it in 2001, has never given any trouble, my brother has one he was given by his in laws, it has not given any hassle either, he is saving for something else but it has given us an appreciation that though a little rough and ready they are decent enough cars.
Oh, and if you would like to join in on this "council estate", the house across the road is up for 750 grand.
swerni said:
Both Skoda and Volvo have a stigma for people who grew up in a certain era.
There isn't manufacturer I can think of that I wouldn't buy.
As for type, cars with crappy little diesel engines, life is too short.
That stigma was forgotten about years ago, or so I thought. Even Clarkson hasn't bothered rolling those jokes out for 5-10 years which must say something surely?There isn't manufacturer I can think of that I wouldn't buy.
As for type, cars with crappy little diesel engines, life is too short.
Thought I'd have a look at your profile as assumed you were one of the 'has to be a 4.0 V8 or bigger' crowd that are always bemoaning modern diesel engines they've never tried. Apparently not though eh?
swerni said:
SWoll said:
swerni said:
Both Skoda and Volvo have a stigma for people who grew up in a certain era.
There isn't manufacturer I can think of that I wouldn't buy.
As for type, cars with crappy little diesel engines, life is too short.
That stigma was forgotten about years ago, or so I thought. Even Clarkson hasn't bothered rolling those jokes out for 5-10 years which must say something surely?There isn't manufacturer I can think of that I wouldn't buy.
As for type, cars with crappy little diesel engines, life is too short.
Thought I'd have a look at your profile as assumed you were one of the 'has to be a 4.0 V8 or bigger' crowd that are always bemoaning modern diesel engines they've never tried. Apparently not though eh?
I had an E220 for a couple of years, it was very competent and as dull as ditchwater.
I also owned an older A6 1.9TDI with wasn't as good as the Merc but equally as dull.
I'm much happier spending my time in a V8
Vitorio said:
Porsche will happily keep compromising their top end sportscar by putting the engine in the wrong place
Is there a 'right' place......clearly not. So rear engined is not compromised then...in fact with long established proven advantages for both race and road cars.Anyway the 991 911 is rear/slightly mid engined with some distribution ahead of the rear wheels giving both rear and mid engine advantages.
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