Cars types or manufacturers you would never purchase.
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Anything branded as a 'city car' supermini utter ecotec w
k box.
The likes of the Aygo's, Micra's, HYANDAI i10's oh my god no.
It will be a cold day in hell until I own one of those... If I'm lucky enough to grow old I'd like to think I'll own an old ridiculously spec'd 5 or 7 series. Proper old school cool.
k box.The likes of the Aygo's, Micra's, HYANDAI i10's oh my god no.
It will be a cold day in hell until I own one of those... If I'm lucky enough to grow old I'd like to think I'll own an old ridiculously spec'd 5 or 7 series. Proper old school cool.
TTommy said:
It will be a cold day in hell until I own one of those... If I'm lucky enough to grow old I'd like to think I'll own an old ridiculously spec'd 5 or 7 series. Proper old school cool.
Now you are talking........the E39 was the last of the proper 5 series......along with the E36. These cars, in M5 and M3 form were the last of the proper BMWs (although the e90 specifically and to a lesser extent the e92 M3 are still brilliant) before they morphed into their current meh ism.Had a few M5s back in the day along with an e36 Edition M3.....some cars you remember as being special and these certainly were.
SWoll said:
And your of the opinion your experience is a common one? By all means spend 5 minutes on autotrader and see if you're right, I have.
My current shed 2003 Astra has just turned over 155000.Im not saying that there is anything special about these cars at all & neither is it my daily, but I use the Astra for a 200 mile round trip several times a month, a 100 mile round trip every week & as I have to go to France next month overnight I may take it because of all the issues there right now.
I think they do last, provided they are looked after.
Unlike the 1 Series at work. I really wouldn`t trust it to get me into the next county!
Jim AK said:
SWoll said:
And your of the opinion your experience is a common one? By all means spend 5 minutes on autotrader and see if you're right, I have.
My current shed 2003 Astra has just turned over 155000.Im not saying that there is anything special about these cars at all & neither is it my daily, but I use the Astra for a 200 mile round trip several times a month, a 100 mile round trip every week & as I have to go to France next month overnight I may take it because of all the issues there right now.
I think they do last, provided they are looked after.
Unlike the 1 Series at work. I really wouldn`t trust it to get me into the next county!
Jim AK said:
My current shed 2003 Astra has just turned over 155000.
Im not saying that there is anything special about these cars at all & neither is it my daily, but I use the Astra for a 200 mile round trip several times a month, a 100 mile round trip every week & as I have to go to France next month overnight I may take it because of all the issues there right now.
I think they do last, provided they are looked after.
Unlike the 1 Series at work. I really wouldn`t trust it to get me into the next county!
The Vectra SRi I had (company car from new) went to England (from Scotland) twice.Im not saying that there is anything special about these cars at all & neither is it my daily, but I use the Astra for a 200 mile round trip several times a month, a 100 mile round trip every week & as I have to go to France next month overnight I may take it because of all the issues there right now.
I think they do last, provided they are looked after.
Unlike the 1 Series at work. I really wouldn`t trust it to get me into the next county!
On both occasions it came back on the back of an AA low loader.
It really was a shed - Almost put me off getting the VXR.
av185 said:
the E39 was the last of the proper 5 series......along with the E36. These cars, in M5 and M3 form were the last of the proper BMWs (although the e90 specifically and to a lesser extent the e92 M3 are still brilliant) before they morphed into their current meh ism.
What does that even mean? So tell me why the E46 M3 CSL and E60 V10 M5 weren't proper M cars? Or why the F10 isn't a proper BMW? I keep reading this kind of thing but have never seen the reasoning behind it. 
SWoll said:
I was talking about Citroens, not Vauxhall. Every manufacturer has good and bad cars TBH, just some have more lemons than others.
Maybe i was lucky then.Had 1 BX & 3 Xantia`s, all did 150000+, were purchased with big miles as they were ex fleet where i worked then & policy was 4 years 120000, & had class leading ride IMO.
Only issue i do remember was the BX used to blow a pipe on the suspension that meant the fluid leaked, seemingly on a yearly basis.
Would I get one now? Possibly a DS3, because I like the look.
I wouldn't buy a ssyang Yong or whatever they are. Don't think I buy a Chevrolet or one of the other american branded makes either, even though I know its just a boggo GM or Ford underneath, I don't think the interiors are up to euro market standards.
I never thought I'd own a bmw but have one at the moment.
Life's to short and money to tight for prejudice
I never thought I'd own a bmw but have one at the moment.
Life's to short and money to tight for prejudice
simonr100 said:
I would never own a Volvo - they are associated with those 65+ years of age with no taste and who can't drive(totally unaware of those around them).I would hope that when I am that age that I will still have some sense of style and avoid crap like Volvos! I guess those that buy them also haven't had their life turn out quite as good as they hoped of they would have bought a premium brand rather than a Volvo.
Depends on the Volvo. I don't like the new ones much, but after realising you could go out with a grand or less, spend a couple of hundred on a map and drive off in something which will push out 300 bhp, I was sold. Have had nearly twenty now (mostly T5's) in the last few years. They also simply do not rust if looked after.One of the ones I have now cost 2 grand already tweaked and sat quite comfortably behind a new 30+ grand Civic Type R (the turbo one) recently.
All that fun from something you can throw the dog in and not worry too much if you scrape a few bushes..
Anyway, I would never own anything new(ish) and French.
I see so many on my travels broken down, more so than any other car.
SWoll said:
S10GTA said:
Bloke at work is looking for a new car and sent me a link to an 2006 89k BMW 1 series for 3900 and asked what I thought. I couldn't quite believe it was 3100 more than the 2006 92k C4 we'd just picked up for 800.
It's amazing what a badge does to people.
The badge plays it's part of course but you are over simplifying You've not given us the models in question so difficult to compare, the BMW will be far better built and engineered, better to drive and likely last a lot longer also.It's amazing what a badge does to people.
Just have a look at how many Citroens are still on the road at to 10-15 years old or with big mileages as compared to BMW's.
Rammy76 said:
SWoll said:
...the BMW will be far better built and engineered, better to drive and likely last a lot longer also.
Maybe in the past, from what I've seen of modern BMW's I think that's long gone.SWoll said:
av185 said:
the E39 was the last of the proper 5 series......along with the E36. These cars, in M5 and M3 form were the last of the proper BMWs (although the e90 specifically and to a lesser extent the e92 M3 are still brilliant) before they morphed into their current meh ism.
What does that even mean? So tell me why the E46 M3 CSL and E60 V10 M5 weren't proper M cars? Or why the F10 isn't a proper BMW? I keep reading this kind of thing but have never seen the reasoning behind it. The current run of fugly BMW M cars has lost the plot (ref numerous threads) as many have confirmed and from an enthusiastic driving involvement perspective (is this PH...I sometimes wonder?) these cars are waay too detached (not least down to their farty engines in the M3s case ) and very similar to the Audi RS whatever and C63....soporific and no soul. This is why cars like the GT4 have been so well received and still selling second hand at 50% premium...perfect mix of old school involvement with current 'tech'....but don't take my word for it just refer to this years Ecoty where it beat the GT3 RS and £380k Mclaren.
av185 said:
Never owned a CSL unfortunately....but I have owned most M3s and M5s of which I rate the e46 having one of the last but the build quality is nowhere near the quality of the e36 hence my comment also applying to the e39.
The current run of fugly BMW M cars has lost the plot (ref numerous threads) as many have confirmed and from an enthusiastic driving involvement perspective (is this PH...I sometimes wonder?) these cars are waay too detached (not least down to their farty engines in the M3s case ) and very similar to the Audi RS whatever and C63....soporific and no soul. This is why cars like the GT4 have been so well received and still selling second hand at 50% premium...perfect mix of old school involvement with current 'tech'....but don't take my word for it just refer to this years Ecoty where it beat the GT3 RS and £380k Mclaren.
"Not my words Carol, the words of Top Gear magazine"The current run of fugly BMW M cars has lost the plot (ref numerous threads) as many have confirmed and from an enthusiastic driving involvement perspective (is this PH...I sometimes wonder?) these cars are waay too detached (not least down to their farty engines in the M3s case ) and very similar to the Audi RS whatever and C63....soporific and no soul. This is why cars like the GT4 have been so well received and still selling second hand at 50% premium...perfect mix of old school involvement with current 'tech'....but don't take my word for it just refer to this years Ecoty where it beat the GT3 RS and £380k Mclaren.
simonr100 said:
I would never own a Volvo - they are associated with those 65+ years of age with no taste and who can't drive(totally unaware of those around them).I would hope that when I am that age that I will still have some sense of style and avoid crap like Volvos! I guess those that buy them also haven't had their life turn out quite as good as they hoped of they would have bought a premium brand rather than a Volvo.
Earlier this year I spent a week cruising around Tasmania in the passenger seat of a Volvo wagon - and yes, the driver was over 65... but I think he can drive a bit.
I would never say 'never', because things can change. Look at Alfa for example: once great of course, but for years they were purveyors of stylish but dull front wheel drive hatchbacks, and now they've come out with the 8C, 4C and Quadrifoglio!
That said, based on past experience (not any magic that a manufacturer may come up with in the future), I think it's unlikely I'll want to own certain types of car, yes. This especially applies given my lack of money and space to own more than two or three cars. Firstly, anything front wheel drive or four wheel drive - in theory I could love such a car, but based on what I've driven and owned so far, no thanks. Secondly, anything with a roofline higher than my shoulders, so an SUV, MPV, 4x4 etc - again, in theory such a car could be a right laugh, but everything I've driven so far has been massively compromised by its high centre of gravity, and that seems to be getting worse, not better, as new models come out.
That said, based on past experience (not any magic that a manufacturer may come up with in the future), I think it's unlikely I'll want to own certain types of car, yes. This especially applies given my lack of money and space to own more than two or three cars. Firstly, anything front wheel drive or four wheel drive - in theory I could love such a car, but based on what I've driven and owned so far, no thanks. Secondly, anything with a roofline higher than my shoulders, so an SUV, MPV, 4x4 etc - again, in theory such a car could be a right laugh, but everything I've driven so far has been massively compromised by its high centre of gravity, and that seems to be getting worse, not better, as new models come out.
av185 said:
Wouldn't waste my time either reading or watching any Top Gear drivel.
Try watching Ecoty....it may enlighten you as to the requirements and meaning of driving involvement v driving detachment.
I'm fully cognisant of ECOTY and agree it makes for informative reading and viewing. Try watching Ecoty....it may enlighten you as to the requirements and meaning of driving involvement v driving detachment.
I think the fact that it was an Alan Partridge quote in response to your extolling the virtues of the GT4 was lost on you
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