Supercars besides the usual Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches etc?

Supercars besides the usual Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches etc?

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caelite

4,273 posts

111 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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Had a ride as a passenger is one of the older base model Evora's. Sitting in the back 'seats' which was... interesting. Still absolutely loved it, everything I would want in a super-ish car. Light,Simple,mid-engined & 2+2 (I like that).



I know you said not the 'usual' Ferrari's which I would define as the 488 or Enzo. This monster... if I had infinite money. So retardedly fast yet so practical at the same time, its like a hot hatch on crack.

generationx

6,644 posts

104 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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+1 for the LFA: V10 Carbon loveliness

DRVR

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266 posts

141 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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caelite said:


I know you said not the 'usual' Ferrari's which I would define as the 488 or Enzo. This monster... if I had infinite money. So retardedly fast yet so practical at the same time, its like a hot hatch on crack.
I meant not any Ferraris at all. So cliche. smile

But oh well, so many are posting just sports cars instead of real supercars. Even Lexus has gotten in. So might as well post Ferraris too. wink

DRVR

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266 posts

141 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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simonr100 said:
I am lucky enough to own 2 very nice cars
1) McLaren 12C Spider
2) Aston Martin DB9

But the supercars that I dream of owning are

Ferrari F40
Porsche 959
Lamborghini countach
Lamborghini miura
Ferrari 250 gt calafornia spider

But maybe that says more about my age than anything....
Or your good taste. wink

DS197

992 posts

105 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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ScoobyChris said:
I quite like the Ascari A10.



Chris
Looks like they've just stuck a pair of 206 morettes for headlights.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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DRVR said:
so many are posting just sports cars instead of real supercars. Even Lexus has gotten in.
Pretty sure the LFA qualifies as a real supercar.

Name of user

175 posts

106 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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DRVR said:
I meant not any Ferraris at all. So cliche. smile

But oh well, so many are posting just sports cars instead of real supercars.
Your set of standards which qualify a car as a supercar may not be shared by (m)any others here.
Since there is nobody who's job it is to identify what cars are supercars and what are not, it is all down to your induvidual interpretation.

Blayney

2,948 posts

185 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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Pagani Zonda



What a machine.

The new Ford GT



This looks really special to me.

Koenigsegg Agera R



Looks very purposeful

I think the Chiron is probably one of the best designs in the last 10 years



It has that "one line" that defines the look of the car... the big swoop!

Add in the very distinctive quad headlamps flanking the traditional Bugatti grille and that sci-fi rear light bar that runs the full width of the car. Brilliant. And I never liked the Veyron after seeing it in the flesh! Hope the same doesn't happen with a Chiron.

Wilmslowboy

4,188 posts

205 months

Sunday 28th August 2016
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DRVR

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266 posts

141 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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Name of user said:
Your set of standards which qualify a car as a supercar may not be shared by (m)any others here.
Since there is nobody who's job it is to identify what cars are supercars and what are not, it is all down to your induvidual interpretation.
True.

It used to be that to make your own car you had to make your own engine. But ever since companies like De Tomaso and Iso started using other companies' engines and making only bodies, sports cars and supercars have become a dime a dozen.

It used to be that supercars also had to win something. Le Mans etc before they would start being hyped.

But now anybody can design a cool looking car and drop a Ford, Chevy, BMW or Mercedes V8 in it, slap a ridiculously expensive price tag on it and self-baptize it a supercar. I'm not sure if De Tomaso and Iso were the first ones, probably not. But that is as far as I can think of since the term supercar was only coined in the 70's.

There are so many "supercars" today that it's hard to keep track. And everyday a new "supercar" prototype is announced and ends up in nothing.

To me to be a true supercar it needs at least these:

1. Be rare and produced in small numbers
2. Not be produced in series (so Audi R8, Gallardo, Huracán and even Murcielogo and Aventador and most Ferraris, Porsches etc do not qualify)
3.Be exotic looking
4.Perform like a race car. I don't mean top speed. So many monster built Corvettes are very fast. Today speed is easy. It needs to be quick, to corner well, stop well etc.
5.Be very expensive. Huracán prices are too cheap. Aventador prices and up.

6. It needs to be exclusive. Not be made by a manufacturer which also makes normal cars like 4-doors, hot hatches etc. I don't care if Toyota puts out a cool car. If I was a billionaire looking to spend a lot of money on a supercar I would not want a Toyota. It needs to be exclusive. Also not manufactures which make cheaper basic sports cars models. It's the same deal. It is still only a TVR or a Porsche etc. My Porsche supercar shares things, whatever it may be with a Boxter. Just doesn't sit well.

I had hesitated including criteria 6 because there would be a few exceptions. Such as Ferrari. They make cheaper models like the 488 and anything not Laferrari at the moment. But the Laferrari IS a supercar. It's Ferrari after all. Same thing with Lamborghini and the Veneno. Supercar! Even the Ford GT is a supercar, because it has heritage. So there are a few exceptions in criteria 6. It's just there to exclude cheap fiberglass sports cars or put together sports cars manufactures which may release a souped up version of their cheaper cars trying to call it a supercar wink

At least these 5 prerequisites for me. Otherwise it's just an expensive sports car.

Edited by DRVR on Monday 29th August 12:22

Name of user

175 posts

106 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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DRVR said:
Name of user said:
Your set of standards which qualify a car as a supercar may not be shared by (m)any others here.
Since there is nobody who's job it is to identify what cars are supercars and what are not, it is all down to your induvidual interpretation.
True.

It used to be that to make your own car you had to make your own engine. But ever since companies like De Tomaso and Iso started using other companies' engines and making only bodies, sports cars and supercars have become a dime a dozen.

It used to be that supercars also had to win something. Le Mans etc before they would start being hyped.

But now anybody can design a cool looking car and drop a Ford, Chevy, BMW or Mercedes V8 in it, slap a ridiculously expensive price tag on it and self-baptize it a supercar. I'm not sure if De Tomaso and Iso were the first ones, probably not. But that is as far as I can think of since the term supercar was only coined in the 70's.

There are so many "supercars" today that it's hard to keep track. And everyday a new "supercar" prototype is announced and ends up in nothing.

To me to be a true supercar it needs at least these:

1. Be rare and produced in small numbers
2. Not be produced in series (so Audi R8, Gallardo, Huracán and even Murcielogo and Aventador and most Ferraris, Porsches etc do not qualify)
3.Be exotic looking
4.Perform like a race car. I don't mean top speed. So many monster built Corvettes are very fast. Today speed is easy. It needs to be quick, to corner well, stop well etc.
5.Be very expensive. Huracán prices are too cheap. Aventador prices and up.

At least these 5 prerequisites for me. Otherwise it's just an expensive sports car.
I see your point, but that list may be verging onto "hypercar" territory, which is a whole other ball game!

parabolica

6,703 posts

183 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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You never see the Ford GT or Alfa 8c mentioned in supercar threads either.

daveofedinburgh

556 posts

118 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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SteveSteveson said:
I have a soft spot for the Venturi Atlantique

Gosh darn it, beaten to the punch for the Atlantique.

Also beaten to the Ascari A10.

Gumpert Apollo.

LFA would be my choice, mainly for that insane V10 and the accompanying sound.

Can modern Vipers be considered proper supercars? Had a real soft spot for the original, and still do even though I now recognise it's rather shonky. New one lacks the character of the original, but is a far better product.

On the subject of old supercars that I love but now know to be shonky, Weigerts are rather wonderful things.


Löyly

17,990 posts

158 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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SteveSteveson said:
I have a soft spot for the Venturi Atlantique

Yes, a favourite of mine.

Esceptico

7,334 posts

108 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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[quote=Löyly]

Yes, a favourite of mine.
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Looks like a slightly less attractive 355. Similar performance but fibreglass, French and has a turbo engine rather than a lovely high revving (and glorious sounding) NA V8. Not sure I see the attraction except that it isn't a Ferrari and you are unlikely to see another one when you are driving it.

Pulse

10,922 posts

217 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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Blayney said:
Pagani Zonda

A million times yes! Having seen my first one properly in person in London a little while back, nothing prepares you for just how mental this car is, whilst still being styled well. Often you only get one or t'other.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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simonr100 said:
I am lucky enough to own 2 very nice cars
1) McLaren 12C Spider
2) Aston Martin DB9

But the supercars that I dream of owning are

Ferrari F40
Porsche 959
Lamborghini countach
Lamborghini miura
Ferrari 250 gt calafornia spider

But maybe that says more about my age than anything....
I'm 28 and would love to own any of those cars, wink

Vitorio

4,296 posts

142 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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cloud9 absolutely gorgeous

Honourable mentions to the Maserati 300S and Gran Turismo, and the Aston V12 Zagato

GT6 Jonsey

845 posts

121 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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k-ink

9,070 posts

178 months

Monday 29th August 2016
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I am honestly not interested in super cars or hyper cars. I'd prefer to have some ultra light machine and learn how to extract the most from it on track.

So I'd like a Ginetta G40 for the retro looks and amazing track ability. Although with enough budget I'd have it upgraded massively: racing spec dampers, brakes, cage, maybe even one of those tiny £25k V8 engines made from bike components. Essentially it would be a super car in terms of track performance, but with down to earth running costs and simple mechanics.

I'd add a lifetime of miles onto such a car, on road trips, as a daily, track work, the lot.