Engine carbon Clean - snake oil?
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My Cynicism meter was spinning like a spinny thing when i saw the advert below on facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/enginecarbonclean
Am I wrong to be cynical? Apparently they clean the engine using hydrogen gas...... how the merry heck would Hydrogen gas dissolve carbon deposits?
https://www.facebook.com/enginecarbonclean
Am I wrong to be cynical? Apparently they clean the engine using hydrogen gas...... how the merry heck would Hydrogen gas dissolve carbon deposits?
No one is talking about dpf regeneration, what people seem to think that happened is that bits of carbon were pushed out the engine and into the dpf, blocking it and the car trying to do a regen while stationary and catching fire . The guy did indeed go for carbon clean and not to fix the dpf.
If you want a carbon clean, remove the inlet manifold and egr valve and soak them in diesel and elbow grease. Its half a day and the car will feel much better
If you want a carbon clean, remove the inlet manifold and egr valve and soak them in diesel and elbow grease. Its half a day and the car will feel much better
Countdown said:
My Cynicism meter was spinning like a spinny thing when i saw the advert below on facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/enginecarbonclean
Am I wrong to be cynical? Apparently they clean the engine using hydrogen gas...... how the merry heck would Hydrogen gas dissolve carbon deposits?
You aren't wrong, just another snake oil peddler. Hydrogen appears to be the new universal tonic for all ailments.https://www.facebook.com/enginecarbonclean
Am I wrong to be cynical? Apparently they clean the engine using hydrogen gas...... how the merry heck would Hydrogen gas dissolve carbon deposits?
What I want to know is why everyone thinks their engine needs decarbonising all of a sudden, it want out of fashion about 30 years ago... These days, unless you've got something with a primitive direct injection arrangement of a really badly running diesel, it's not at all necessary.
The Spruce goose said:
2nd post (just to be clear, (a regen is the same as a clean in both removed carbon deposits)
Not the same in this sense. These snake oil products (including Terraclean) are designed to remove carbon deposits within the engine itself, nothing to do with cleaning out DPFs.HustleRussell said:
What I want to know is why everyone thinks their engine needs decarbonising all of a sudden,
Because certain snake oil peddlers are telling us so, and plenty of people are ignorant/gullible enough to fall for it.HustleRussell said:
What I want to know is why everyone thinks their engine needs decarbonising all of a sudden, it want out of fashion about 30 years ago... These days, unless you've got something with a primitive direct injection arrangement of a really badly running diesel, it's not at all necessary.
Because of the proliferation of engines with dodgy EGR valves that fill their intake tracts full of sludgy soot, or various DI petrol engines that seem rather good at turning said inlet tracts into a soot filled mess. That said, BS 'treatments' will never work on these, simple old dismantling is required..HustleRussell said:
What I want to know is why everyone thinks their engine needs decarbonising all of a sudden, it want out of fashion about 30 years ago... These days, unless you've got something with a primitive direct injection arrangement of a really badly running diesel, it's not at all necessary.
Mini cooper s engines from 08 to 2012 certainly need it, inlet valves get very clogged up and cause running issue's, many more petrol direct injection engine's of modern manufacture suffer the same.Sebring440 said:
You really have no idea what a DPF regeneration is, do you?
As per the website ' 'Carbon build-up leads to potentially expensive issues such as Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Valves, Diesel Particulate Filters (DPF filters), Turbo issues, inlet manifold and injector problems.These may all be cured by the Engine Carbon Clean service if due to carbonisation, and then prevented from recurring by having a regular clean. Read more about cleaning engine components.'
So again as per my posts I said this is similar to how a regen removes carbon from the dpf. I wasn't talking about the engine.
I know a lot about dpf cleans I owned a 2.2 hdi which had a very early system around 2001 and used the PSA software to force regen on the dpf to clean it when I had issues.
the difference is a regen uses heat to remove the carbon from the dpf and these snake oil does it using hydrogen.
the 2.2 hdi used eloys fluid to achieve higher temp on regen to burn off soot/carbon in dpf.
Edited by The Spruce goose on Sunday 28th August 07:01
HustleRussell said:
What I want to know is why everyone thinks their engine needs decarbonising all of a sudden, it want out of fashion about 30 years ago... These days, unless you've got something with a primitive direct injection arrangement of a really badly running diesel, it's not at all necessary.
The growth in direct injection petrol engines which means that heads get clogged from oily vapours that used to be washed away by the fuel. Clogged EGRs are a red herring as they are generally easy to access to replace or clean.Some cars do get significant carbon build up though.
The Audi RS4 V8 is notorious for it, and many cars require a (£600) decode to replace lost power.
http://www.amdtuning.com/rs4-de-coke
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=125...
Cheaper if you can get the gaskets etc, and do it yourself though.
The Audi RS4 V8 is notorious for it, and many cars require a (£600) decode to replace lost power.
http://www.amdtuning.com/rs4-de-coke
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=125...
Cheaper if you can get the gaskets etc, and do it yourself though.
That seems pretty shocking if that's a quirk of the design
There's a video on Youtube somewhere of someone putting Seafoam in a brand spanking new engine and it still spat out filthy smoke.
When I had a Boxster I put a can of BG44K in it @ around 40k and whilst it may have been placebo it did seem to make it feel a little "crisper" and freer, not sure how to word it tbh.
I drive a diesel now and have just run it on V Power from new so figure I can't do a fat lot more.
There's a video on Youtube somewhere of someone putting Seafoam in a brand spanking new engine and it still spat out filthy smoke.
When I had a Boxster I put a can of BG44K in it @ around 40k and whilst it may have been placebo it did seem to make it feel a little "crisper" and freer, not sure how to word it tbh.
I drive a diesel now and have just run it on V Power from new so figure I can't do a fat lot more.
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