Car seat needed for 1 year old any help appreciated!
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thanks, one definitely good thing I got from this is the securatot website which seems to explain and group things well compared to some sites!
I think we are almost there with the Joie Spin 360 as it covers most of the things we need, will go out tomorrow to try and find one to test particularly before having to buy 2 it looks like!
I think we are almost there with the Joie Spin 360 as it covers most of the things we need, will go out tomorrow to try and find one to test particularly before having to buy 2 it looks like!
832ark said:
We just got a Recaro Monza Nova IS for our 17 month old. Its interesting that it uses a crash pad rather than straps. Very impressed so far and she seems to love it. Will do her until 12 or 135cm.
We've got the same (had it 2.5 years) and are about to buy another for no.2.Not cheap but very good.
Cosatto Zoomi Group 123 Anti Escape Car Seat (Cuddle Monster 2) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B017Z36Z4Y/ref=cm_sw_r...
We have this one, it works well for us... Works all the way till he doesn't need it. Well made and easy to clean. Not too bad to swap between cars.
I once asked a lady in the know about isofix she said it gave a marginal increase in lateral stability in a side impact. Price wasn't an issue for us but the big con over a different base for each stage and playing on your fears meant we just went cheap cheerful and long lasting.
We have this one, it works well for us... Works all the way till he doesn't need it. Well made and easy to clean. Not too bad to swap between cars.
I once asked a lady in the know about isofix she said it gave a marginal increase in lateral stability in a side impact. Price wasn't an issue for us but the big con over a different base for each stage and playing on your fears meant we just went cheap cheerful and long lasting.
Wow, have things changed so much in the last year or so? Our nearly 4 year old is in Maxi Cosi Axis / Tobi depending on which car she is in, front facing. Before, she was in another Maxi Cosi rear facing baby seat and changed over to front facing at 9 months because she hated not being able to see anything. FWIW she has never struggled in the car or been unhappy in the seat.
I can't help thinking it's so crash dependant. If you get rear ended then is front facing better? Something better will come along in a couple of years and it will be all change again!
I can't help thinking it's so crash dependant. If you get rear ended then is front facing better? Something better will come along in a couple of years and it will be all change again!
ScoobyChris said:
Rear facing rules are for height based seats (i-Size) and not for all seats.We use Cybex Juno/Pallas for our toddler as they had the best reviews and ratings from Which. They are forward facing but use an impact cushion which reduces whiplash in a crash. Which are renowned for doing crash tests at 40mph and multiple angles rather than the "standard" which is 30mph and front&side only. The German tests are much stricter so can be a good source of info as they usually get published in English too.
I cannot tell you how complicated all the legislation is, it appears cut and dry but to the poorly informed it is a minefield.
My wife took one of the cars down today to well know national retailer who sell car seats and fit them). Having literally spent hours deciding on the Joie Spin my wife was told they would not fit the seat to the car as it was not a approved vehicle on the Joie list! Contrary to all our research! Ahhhh
The assistant also told my wife the car (an 08 A6 saloon) doesn't have isofix. My wife said she was sure it did (it does, as do all cars after 2007 I believe)! However the girl said that as the car wasn't on the approved list there was no point in checking!
Anyway after an irate phone call it would appear that the child serving my wife was poorly informed! Now we have to wait a whole week to have the time to check.
What a minefield!
My wife took one of the cars down today to well know national retailer who sell car seats and fit them). Having literally spent hours deciding on the Joie Spin my wife was told they would not fit the seat to the car as it was not a approved vehicle on the Joie list! Contrary to all our research! Ahhhh
The assistant also told my wife the car (an 08 A6 saloon) doesn't have isofix. My wife said she was sure it did (it does, as do all cars after 2007 I believe)! However the girl said that as the car wasn't on the approved list there was no point in checking!
Anyway after an irate phone call it would appear that the child serving my wife was poorly informed! Now we have to wait a whole week to have the time to check.
What a minefield!
strath44 said:
I cannot tell you how complicated all the legislation is, it appears cut and dry but to the poorly informed it is a minefield.
My wife took one of the cars down today to well know national retailer who sell car seats and fit them). Having literally spent hours deciding on the Joie Spin my wife was told they would not fit the seat to the car as it was not a approved vehicle on the Joie list! Contrary to all our research! Ahhhh
The assistant also told my wife the car (an 08 A6 saloon) doesn't have isofix. My wife said she was sure it did (it does, as do all cars after 2007 I believe)! However the girl said that as the car wasn't on the approved list there was no point in checking!
Anyway after an irate phone call it would appear that the child serving my wife was poorly informed! Now we have to wait a whole week to have the time to check.
What a minefield!
Indeed. Doesn't surprise me though as can you imagine the trouble they could get into if they incorrectly advised you and something happened? All an arse covering exercise, as this new legislation does, as always, seem to have massively complicated rather than simplified things...My wife took one of the cars down today to well know national retailer who sell car seats and fit them). Having literally spent hours deciding on the Joie Spin my wife was told they would not fit the seat to the car as it was not a approved vehicle on the Joie list! Contrary to all our research! Ahhhh
The assistant also told my wife the car (an 08 A6 saloon) doesn't have isofix. My wife said she was sure it did (it does, as do all cars after 2007 I believe)! However the girl said that as the car wasn't on the approved list there was no point in checking!
Anyway after an irate phone call it would appear that the child serving my wife was poorly informed! Now we have to wait a whole week to have the time to check.
What a minefield!
Balls to rear facing. Our lad is 2, there's no way on earth he'd fit rear facing and not end up with no legroom / front seat touching the dash.
Any ways, I'm more likely to be rear ended than stuff it front on. You drive carefully when you have bairns in the car. That makes fr safer than rf. Not sure these twisty ones are any benefit - he could self install way before he got too heavy.
Overall, if they sell it then it's certified safe. Buy the one you like.
Any ways, I'm more likely to be rear ended than stuff it front on. You drive carefully when you have bairns in the car. That makes fr safer than rf. Not sure these twisty ones are any benefit - he could self install way before he got too heavy.
Overall, if they sell it then it's certified safe. Buy the one you like.
Some Gump said:
Balls to rear facing. Our lad is 2, there's no way on earth he'd fit rear facing and not end up with no legroom / front seat touching the dash.
Granddaughter is coming up to 2, but is as big as a typical 2.5yr old and sits rear facing in a Nuna Rebl no problem. It is a physically big seat but front seats can still be put in a reasonable position in daughter's Honda Jazz and in our Tiguan.Due to its weight and bulk, and the 'fiddlyness' of getting it out it's not a seat that you'd want to be swapping between cars with any regularity.
The approval thing seems random - the seat isn't shown as approved for Jazz but seems to fit fine and Mothercare were happy to sell it and fit it.
Edited by Sheepshanks on Sunday 28th August 20:56
Some Gump said:
Balls to rear facing. Our lad is 2, there's no way on earth he'd fit rear facing and not end up with no legroom / front seat touching the dash.
Any ways, I'm more likely to be rear ended than stuff it front on. You drive carefully when you have bairns in the car. That makes fr safer than rf. Not sure these twisty ones are any benefit - he could self install way before he got too heavy.
Overall, if they sell it then it's certified safe. Buy the one you like.
All of the accident statistics + safety testing that has been done suggest that you're wrong I'm afraid and they are designed with legroom in mind for upto 4 year olds. Just because they sell it means it meets the minimum requirements for safety, that's all. Personally I'd be investing in the one with the best safety rating I can afford due to what I'm putting in it. I'd also want to personally check that the belts and clips had been done up properly rather than entrust the job to a < 5 year old so in that case the twist base would definitely be of benefit.Any ways, I'm more likely to be rear ended than stuff it front on. You drive carefully when you have bairns in the car. That makes fr safer than rf. Not sure these twisty ones are any benefit - he could self install way before he got too heavy.
Overall, if they sell it then it's certified safe. Buy the one you like.
SWoll said:
Some Gump said:
Balls to rear facing. Our lad is 2, there's no way on earth he'd fit rear facing and not end up with no legroom / front seat touching the dash.
Any ways, I'm more likely to be rear ended than stuff it front on. You drive carefully when you have bairns in the car. That makes fr safer than rf. Not sure these twisty ones are any benefit - he could self install way before he got too heavy.
Overall, if they sell it then it's certified safe. Buy the one you like.
All of the accident statistics + safety testing that has been done suggest that you're wrong I'm afraid and they are designed with legroom in mind for upto 4 year olds. Just because they sell it means it meets the minimum requirements for safety, that's all. Personally I'd be investing in the one with the best safety rating I can afford due to what I'm putting in it. I'd also want to personally check that the belts and clips had been done up properly rather than entrust the job to a < 5 year old so in that case the twist base would definitely be of benefit.Any ways, I'm more likely to be rear ended than stuff it front on. You drive carefully when you have bairns in the car. That makes fr safer than rf. Not sure these twisty ones are any benefit - he could self install way before he got too heavy.
Overall, if they sell it then it's certified safe. Buy the one you like.
Long live the ill-informed FaceBook generation; who needs facts when opinions are so plentiful!!
^thanks chief!
For the record I've not seen any convincing research or evidence for much. Most of the stuff online is propaganda from a few non impartial lobbying bodies, manufacturers etc. Many suggest that the safety difference is that in frontal impacts, the average speed is higher and that's driving the comparison.
'To ther bloke said that he has no issue with rear face in a couple of large cars, e.g a Tiguan / touran. Fine if that is what you have. We run an rs4 and a boxster. No legal way of having a rear facet in the boxster, and no physical way of having passenger + rear racer in the RS. If this makes me the most ignorant poster you've read on pistonheads, I can heartily reccomend sp+l. I'm only marginally retarded in that company
Ps - when I grew up, things like seat belts were rare never mind child seats. I only died once, so it must have been ok.
For the record I've not seen any convincing research or evidence for much. Most of the stuff online is propaganda from a few non impartial lobbying bodies, manufacturers etc. Many suggest that the safety difference is that in frontal impacts, the average speed is higher and that's driving the comparison.
'To ther bloke said that he has no issue with rear face in a couple of large cars, e.g a Tiguan / touran. Fine if that is what you have. We run an rs4 and a boxster. No legal way of having a rear facet in the boxster, and no physical way of having passenger + rear racer in the RS. If this makes me the most ignorant poster you've read on pistonheads, I can heartily reccomend sp+l. I'm only marginally retarded in that company
Ps - when I grew up, things like seat belts were rare never mind child seats. I only died once, so it must have been ok.
Some Gump said:
'To ther bloke said that he has no issue with rear face in a couple of large cars, e.g a Tiguan / touran.
I said Tiguan and Jazz - no way are they "large"! I put them as examples of pretty small cars.I will say your comment about being more likely to be rear-ended makes me think of the posts you see from people who want the best tyres on the front of their (not very) hot hatch because they can "drive through" skids.
Anyway, some people seem to think that if you don't put your kids in a full size RangeRover then they should be taken away.
Some Gump said:
^thanks chief!
For the record I've not seen any convincing research or evidence for much. Most of the stuff online is propaganda from a few non impartial lobbying bodies, manufacturers etc. Many suggest that the safety difference is that in frontal impacts, the average speed is higher and that's driving the comparison.
'To ther bloke said that he has no issue with rear face in a couple of large cars, e.g a Tiguan / touran. Fine if that is what you have. We run an rs4 and a boxster. No legal way of having a rear facet in the boxster, and no physical way of having passenger + rear racer in the RS. If this makes me the most ignorant poster you've read on pistonheads, I can heartily reccomend sp+l. I'm only marginally retarded in that company
Ps - when I grew up, things like seat belts were rare never mind child seats. I only died once, so it must have been ok.
You're more likely to have a front impact whilst at speed and possibly with another vehicle coming straight at you therefore possibly doubling the force of impact whereas being rear ended is most likely to happen whilst stationary or at a low speed moving away from the direction of impact so very different forces involved.For the record I've not seen any convincing research or evidence for much. Most of the stuff online is propaganda from a few non impartial lobbying bodies, manufacturers etc. Many suggest that the safety difference is that in frontal impacts, the average speed is higher and that's driving the comparison.
'To ther bloke said that he has no issue with rear face in a couple of large cars, e.g a Tiguan / touran. Fine if that is what you have. We run an rs4 and a boxster. No legal way of having a rear facet in the boxster, and no physical way of having passenger + rear racer in the RS. If this makes me the most ignorant poster you've read on pistonheads, I can heartily reccomend sp+l. I'm only marginally retarded in that company
Ps - when I grew up, things like seat belts were rare never mind child seats. I only died once, so it must have been ok.
I'm not surprised the Boxster is an issue but do find it surprising that they don't fit in the RS4 TBH as if that is the case the manufacturers are really limiting their sales opportunities to large executive cars and above, which seems odd. Perhaps trying a few different models might help as they seem to vary in size?
Your Ps is just silly and pointless so I won't bother responding to that.
Some Gump said:
^thanks chief!
For the record I've not seen any convincing research or evidence for much. Most of the stuff online is propaganda from a few non impartial lobbying bodies, manufacturers etc. Many suggest that the safety difference is that in frontal impacts, the average speed is higher and that's driving the comparison.
'To ther bloke said that he has no issue with rear face in a couple of large cars, e.g a Tiguan / touran. Fine if that is what you have. We run an rs4 and a boxster. No legal way of having a rear facet in the boxster, and no physical way of having passenger + rear racer in the RS. If this makes me the most ignorant poster you've read on pistonheads, I can heartily reccomend sp+l. I'm only marginally retarded in that company
Ps - when I grew up, things like seat belts were rare never mind child seats. I only died once, so it must have been ok.
The rear facing Britax swivel seat fits perfectly well in an S3 with room for a passenger in front. I'm pretty sure an RS4 will be as good or better. Fair enough on the Boxster. With regards to leg room for the child, there's adequate, although facing forward will obviously have more leg room for the child.For the record I've not seen any convincing research or evidence for much. Most of the stuff online is propaganda from a few non impartial lobbying bodies, manufacturers etc. Many suggest that the safety difference is that in frontal impacts, the average speed is higher and that's driving the comparison.
'To ther bloke said that he has no issue with rear face in a couple of large cars, e.g a Tiguan / touran. Fine if that is what you have. We run an rs4 and a boxster. No legal way of having a rear facet in the boxster, and no physical way of having passenger + rear racer in the RS. If this makes me the most ignorant poster you've read on pistonheads, I can heartily reccomend sp+l. I'm only marginally retarded in that company
Ps - when I grew up, things like seat belts were rare never mind child seats. I only died once, so it must have been ok.
You're free to decide whether to have your boy front or rear facing but all evidence suggests that in a front on collision he will be far safer facing rearwards - you're arguing against proven facts there. Of course the chances of having that high speed front on collision are very small anyway so you're balancing up risk against child comfort, convenience and practicalities, which is fine - just say that, rather than dismissing the research.
Anyway, to the OP, the Britax Dualfix that we have works well. Easy to get in and out and the option of front or rear facing to four years. It'll fit in your A6 and do the job well. Has a few downsides in that it can be fiddly and you can't really move it between cars but we found them all to be like that. Definitely get one that swivels!
I'm not convinced by the I-size, research may say whatever but it has been OK for years before to have them forward facing.. Who does the research, seat manufacturers? So they can charge hundreds and hundreds for new seas...
When I looked briefly, it didn't say it was compulsory to have them rear facing..
I wouldn't buy into the swivel seats either, my daughter is 22 months and she happily jumps in and out of her seat to save my back then all I do is fasten it up.
We have 2 X Britax Duo Plus isofix, would recommend to anyone.
When I looked briefly, it didn't say it was compulsory to have them rear facing..
I wouldn't buy into the swivel seats either, my daughter is 22 months and she happily jumps in and out of her seat to save my back then all I do is fasten it up.
We have 2 X Britax Duo Plus isofix, would recommend to anyone.
philmots said:
I'm not convinced by the I-size, research may say whatever but it has been OK for years before to have them forward facing.. Who does the research, seat manufacturers? So they can charge hundreds and hundreds for new seas...
When I looked briefly, it didn't say it was compulsory to have them rear facing..
i-Size mandates isofix - OK, PHer's know how to fit a car seat, but many people don't. Isofix makes it less likely the seat is fitted incorrectly. i-Size also test for side impact - the older regs don't.When I looked briefly, it didn't say it was compulsory to have them rear facing..
It's confusing because i-Size (based on height) runs in parallel with the old (based on weight) regulations. From a UK legal point of view you choose to follow either.
It's compulsory even under the old regs to be rear facing until 9kg.
Another thing coming up is the "booster seat ban" which is causing even more confusion as it's suggested that booster seats already in use can continue to be used. Supposedly from December, backless booster seats will only be approved for use by children taller than 125cm and weighing more than 22kg. Currently children as young as 3, or 15kg, are able to use a backless booster seat.
It's causing quite an issue amongst people of a certain mind-set, who regard getting rid of car-seats as a significant step in their child's development.
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