Age and persepctive
Discussion
[quote] I'm a biker and break the speed limit everywhere, to be fair it's difficult not to. I admit we are pretty much immune to all laws and speed limits, especially using a small rear plate and no front plate.
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Consider another prespective - I want a car to give a rich blend of sensations (and the aural ones are very important to how one experiences the car) - without having to risk life and license by driving at insane speeds. I've nearly lost my license with modern 'performance' cars because they're just so darn dull to drive within a reasonable margin from current speed limits; speed is piled on far too unobtrusively.
You seem to be on a crusade against 'noisy exhausts' just so you can continue to drive/ride at warp speed everywhere; now who's the narcissist?
PS: I'm not a particular fan of the current shock and fart brigade that seeks to 'enhance' the sound of engines that don't sound particularly interesting naturally, either. But ironically it's legislation and the pursuit of theoretical CO2 figures based on a completely unrealistic laboratory test which have brought this upon us...
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Consider another prespective - I want a car to give a rich blend of sensations (and the aural ones are very important to how one experiences the car) - without having to risk life and license by driving at insane speeds. I've nearly lost my license with modern 'performance' cars because they're just so darn dull to drive within a reasonable margin from current speed limits; speed is piled on far too unobtrusively.
You seem to be on a crusade against 'noisy exhausts' just so you can continue to drive/ride at warp speed everywhere; now who's the narcissist?
PS: I'm not a particular fan of the current shock and fart brigade that seeks to 'enhance' the sound of engines that don't sound particularly interesting naturally, either. But ironically it's legislation and the pursuit of theoretical CO2 figures based on a completely unrealistic laboratory test which have brought this upon us...
Edited by 900T-R on Thursday 1st September 09:22
I'm only 26 and don't like ridiculously loud exhausts, so not really an age thing. A wee bit of grunt is nice if its a big V8 or something though. I find it quite nice standing beside a good running petrol and hardly knowing if its running or not. Its a sign of good engineering.
I do a bit of walking along a NSL road and I'd say the worst noise comes from ridiculously over sized tyres roaring past.
I do a bit of walking along a NSL road and I'd say the worst noise comes from ridiculously over sized tyres roaring past.
veccy208 said:
I'm only 26 and don't like ridiculously loud exhausts, so not really an age thing. A wee bit of grunt is nice if its a big V8 or something though. I find it quite nice standing beside a good running petrol and hardly knowing if its running or not. Its a sign of good engineering.
It's not a sign of good engineering it is a sign of a well-silenced exhaust system - there is no such thing as a "loud exhaust" per se, just varying degrees of silencing efficiency which always compromises performance.F1, Moto GP, top fuel dragsters etc. are the pinnacle of engineering within their set regulations and are (or were in the case of F1) painfully loud.
I think the definition of loud needs to be agreed on for this discussion to work.
Last three bikes have all had standard exhausts. I just can't think of any benefit of changing it. Yes, I may save a few kilos but I'm impressively fat. Yes, I may gain another horsepower or two but It's a Fireblade. As for the downsides...
- It would be unpleasant for my neighbours to listen to. I like my neighbours.
- It'd be unpleasant for people in the villages I ride through. I don't want to give them ammunition.
- I don't really want everyone to know I'm coming from 10 miles away.
- They cost money and I'm tight.
- I don't want to talk to my insurance company.
I have a Sierra Cosworth with the usual period things done to it. I'm sure that some others on here are old enough to remember the noise that can be produced by them. It has the obligatory stainless steel exhaust, with two silencers instead of the factory fit five. Quiet it is not.
I an very conscious of my neighbours on early starts or late returns. Importantly, driven with a bit of considerate effort, it's not that bad (I worry more about the chirp from he alarm when I unlock it).
I've also had a standard one, which in comparison, although quieter, sounds rough and even more unrefined. The changes made have made it a much better car to drive.
In summation, changing the exhaust is fine if done properly and not just replacing all of the silencers with a cherry bomb ( remember those), just be considerate as to how, when and where you enjoy it.
I an very conscious of my neighbours on early starts or late returns. Importantly, driven with a bit of considerate effort, it's not that bad (I worry more about the chirp from he alarm when I unlock it).
I've also had a standard one, which in comparison, although quieter, sounds rough and even more unrefined. The changes made have made it a much better car to drive.
In summation, changing the exhaust is fine if done properly and not just replacing all of the silencers with a cherry bomb ( remember those), just be considerate as to how, when and where you enjoy it.
Unfortunately there are some parallels here; having a loud exhaust pipe is OK within reason, it's where you use it. It's similar to swearing, within reason it's OK depending upon the company you're in, I suspect most of us cringe when some shouts at little johnny using the f word etc, but in the pub with your mates surrounded by adults and so others aren't impacted by it it's OK.
Whilst I don't necessarily agree with all of what was mentioned above I'm afraid it does seem we're getting ever more selfish and thoughtless, surely as with anything in life it's all about thinking about others and trying to put yourself in their shoes for a moment.......
I would add though I never really got it on bikes, mine were always plenty loud enough and only served to attract unwanted attention.
Whilst I don't necessarily agree with all of what was mentioned above I'm afraid it does seem we're getting ever more selfish and thoughtless, surely as with anything in life it's all about thinking about others and trying to put yourself in their shoes for a moment.......
I would add though I never really got it on bikes, mine were always plenty loud enough and only served to attract unwanted attention.
Rawwr said:
Last three bikes have all had standard exhausts. I just can't think of any benefit of changing it. Yes, I may save a few kilos but I'm impressively fat. Yes, I may gain another horsepower or two but It's a Fireblade. As for the downsides...
Spot on that man, you summed up my view whilst riding to a tee- It would be unpleasant for my neighbours to listen to. I like my neighbours.
- It'd be unpleasant for people in the villages I ride through. I don't want to give them ammunition.
- I don't really want everyone to know I'm coming from 10 miles away.
- They cost money and I'm tight.
- I don't want to talk to my insurance company.
InductionRoar said:
It's not a sign of good engineering it is a sign of a well-silenced exhaust system - there is no such thing as a "loud exhaust" per se, just varying degrees of silencing efficiency which always compromises performance.
F1, Moto GP, top fuel dragsters etc. are the pinnacle of engineering within their set regulations and are (or were in the case of F1) painfully loud.
I think the definition of loud needs to be agreed on for this discussion to work.
ok that was a silly comment! I mean its nice to hear some passenger petrols running like sewing machines. More good design for what they are made for rather than meaning the vehicles at the louder end of the spectrum are badly engineered. F1, Moto GP, top fuel dragsters etc. are the pinnacle of engineering within their set regulations and are (or were in the case of F1) painfully loud.
I think the definition of loud needs to be agreed on for this discussion to work.
oilspill said:
What you describe is deep-rooted into Uk culture and has become contagious in recent years, Playstation generation?
the Police and authorities have given up and even go as far as protecting the fashion industry of loud pipes, keeping the MOT soft and vetoing Eu laws designed to help quality of life.
It's a growth market targeting people with low-self-esteem (check-out Miltek's POP n BANG black box) which the UK, with ever decreasing quality of life and poor quality housing is not short of... Yes, ouch!
I'm sorry but a lot of that is just sthe Police and authorities have given up and even go as far as protecting the fashion industry of loud pipes, keeping the MOT soft and vetoing Eu laws designed to help quality of life.
It's a growth market targeting people with low-self-esteem (check-out Miltek's POP n BANG black box) which the UK, with ever decreasing quality of life and poor quality housing is not short of... Yes, ouch!
t you made up to support your opinion. oilspill said:
I have family abroad and in the UK to make direct comparisons with the youth culture. Im convinced the UKs vile and unique housing estate culture is responsible for a lot of quality of life and behaviour issues. Build them cheap and cram them in. Britain is becoming one big ghetto. No style, or taste except the odd new building or project copied directly from contemporary styles that have been in mainland for decades. Most housing in the Uk is smeared half to death with white UPVC panels wherever they can fit them in by unqualified tasteless window companies.
no pride in neighbourhoods and lack of aspirations is what comes out of UKs housing policy.
Most people I know on mainland have aspirations to build their own houses, to a high standard, quality, which is strangely affordable, by highly qualified builders. Building the communities people have pride in. they don't give 2 sts what image the car portrays. When people live in st housing the car tends to become an important statement. Britain is the most car and motorcycle snobby country Ive been in at the same time becoming one of the most unfriendly towards cars, st roads, lack of parking spaces let alone decent size garages. My Swiss friends in cheaper housing keep their cars in heated basements by default. Wtf arnt UK housing projects built with underground parking like on the mainland?
I was in Malaysia last year and hung round with some bikers, most of which ride smaller cc bikes, nippy little 150cc being very popular and the lads on bigger bikes treated them as equals. Malaysia is the most fun Ive had on bikes, yet In the UK bikers on smaller ccs are looked down on or not worthy (unless its a mini moto which strangely are allowed to be fun) . Everyone needs to get on a bigger bike asap to prove something, wear and fit the aggressive accessories to go with it, then of course the riding style and selfish attitude to finish off...
Good god, do you really think all that or is someone paying you to be a tno pride in neighbourhoods and lack of aspirations is what comes out of UKs housing policy.
Most people I know on mainland have aspirations to build their own houses, to a high standard, quality, which is strangely affordable, by highly qualified builders. Building the communities people have pride in. they don't give 2 s
ts what image the car portrays. When people live in st housing the car tends to become an important statement. Britain is the most car and motorcycle snobby country Ive been in at the same time becoming one of the most unfriendly towards cars, st roads, lack of parking spaces let alone decent size garages. My Swiss friends in cheaper housing keep their cars in heated basements by default. Wtf arnt UK housing projects built with underground parking like on the mainland? I was in Malaysia last year and hung round with some bikers, most of which ride smaller cc bikes, nippy little 150cc being very popular and the lads on bigger bikes treated them as equals. Malaysia is the most fun Ive had on bikes, yet In the UK bikers on smaller ccs are looked down on or not worthy (unless its a mini moto which strangely are allowed to be fun) . Everyone needs to get on a bigger bike asap to prove something, wear and fit the aggressive accessories to go with it, then of course the riding style and selfish attitude to finish off...
Edited by oilspill on Wednesday 31st August 23:23
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another loud pipes fan here. My Lightning is stupidly quiet and so, in a month or so, it's going to get more vocal... at lot more vocal. I'm in my 50's
To be fair though it only gets used a few times a month and maybe once a year an early morning start
To be fair though it only gets used a few times a month and maybe once a year an early morning start
oilspill said:
dont worry they'll be banned in less than 5 years the way things are going.
and I'll promise to only warn people about self-regaultion a couple of times per year.
woops, too late
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/fcb/cars-and-noise.asp
and as for single issue man here - read the article "By 2026 the limit for most new passenger cars will be 68 dB(A)." I suspect that the operative word is 'new'and I'll promise to only warn people about self-regaultion a couple of times per year.
woops, too late
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/fcb/cars-and-noise.asp
Edited by oilspill on Thursday 1st September 00:59
Devil2575 said:
Johnnytheboy said:
If oilspill has alienated Devil2575 as well as everyone else on PH, there really isn't much hope for him. 
I just haven't read such ludicrous diatribe for a long time. The guys clearly not stable.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff