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SonicShadow said:
oilspill said:
I initially pointed out that louder than standard pipes are illegal in the UK and an MOT failure under 7.1 and was derided for it. No agreement needed.
"A silencer in such condition, or of such a type, that the noise emitted from the vehicle is clearly unreasonably above the level expected from a similar vehicle with a standard silencer in average condition."Saying 'louder than standard' is an MOT failure is misleading. Unless you can produce something that defines what is unreasonable.
Unreasonable - in that scenario is the lack of valid reason (no reason), for the system to be clearly louder than the standard system on a equivalent vehicle in similar circumstances.
SonicShadow said:
"A silencer in such condition, or of such a type, that the noise emitted from the vehicle is clearly unreasonably above the level expected from a similar vehicle with a standard silencer in average condition."
Saying 'louder than standard' is an MOT failure is misleading. Unless you can produce something that defines what is unreasonable.
Essex Police use decibel meters and found most performance pipes twice as loud as standard. 10db is a doubling of the level. So 10db is certainly unreasonable. Saying 'louder than standard' is an MOT failure is misleading. Unless you can produce something that defines what is unreasonable.
The old MOT exhaust check was 'at the examiners discretion' so the government have changed it once in recent years. The government know what is going on as the likes of Miltek lobby their ministers, it's simply a case of waiting for the public to complain harder than the performance exhaust makers and decibel meters will be used for the MOT test. Type approval is ridiculously low and the EU are on a mission to get car modding completely banned which France and Italy are already on board with.
Uk law doesnt state 'unreasonably louder' just louder
"You will be breaking the law if you remove a silencer or make any modification that would make that vehicle emit a noise louder than the original exhaust before it was modified."
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/modified-cars...
If I was an activist I would actually drive around with a 'norty' sounding pipe to bring forward the inevitable
oilspill said:
s
t attempt at put-down
good of you to put your cock away for a moment though. or arnt your impressively loud neighbours home yet?
It wasn't a put down at all though? It was more of a question if anything, and with this statement you have cemented yourself as a troll. t attempt at put-down good of you to put your cock away for a moment though. or arnt your impressively loud neighbours home yet?
Subtle.
6/10
ETA: I am curious as to why you're so vitriolic about this though... what did the bad man in the loud car do to you?
Edited by vtecyo on Wednesday 31st August 16:23
My old neighbour had a near mint W116. I want to say it was a 450SEL, but I may be misremembering. Now that he's left, there's just my car and the bloke opposite's SORNed E46 M3 in terms of vaguely interesting cars. Still not such bad going for a few barns on top of a hill in the middle of nowhere, I guess.
There's a house in the nearest village with an R32 gtr outside. I've never seen it on the road, though.
There's a house in the nearest village with an R32 gtr outside. I've never seen it on the road, though.
jayemm89 said:
So, oilspill, given you're a member of Pistonheads... you MUST have something to add to the list. There MUST be some car you see on a regular basis, that if it pulled up next to you in a car park you know you'd have to strike up a conversation with the owner. It can be completely standard and STILL be very desirable, there's often a lot to be said for totally un-modified cars, especially of the classic variety
I work in Switzerland and I see a lot of guys coming down from Norway and Holland to a hotel I stay in with Tesla model S's. I've tried one and they go and feel like fking spaceships. I kept my mouth shut as it quickly became apparent the thread was to admire perceived power' or exotic looks, Tesla's have neither. I also like the idea of pissing all over vastly more expensive cars in stealthy way. What troubles me is by the time I can afford that kind of instant torque, the w
kers who accelerate hard everywhere to show off their loud pipes, popping and banging noises, will have reduced speed limits, lost our rights and have speed bumps everywhere. I'm a long term motorcyclist and admit we are totally immune from speed limits but have always believed on speeding quietly. The same as when I did motocross, keeping our noise, behaviour tidyness to a minimum, yet the few spoilt it. Repacking our baffles (the opposite of what road bikers do) Being asked to pick up our tear-offs after enduros for example and very few bothered (now banned I believe)
vtecyo said:
It wasn't a put down at all though? It was more of a question if anything, and with this statement you have cemented yourself as a troll.
Subtle.
6/10
ETA: I am curious as to why you're so vitriolic about this though... what did the bad man in the loud car do to you?
try to read my posts properly , you dont need to ask at this stage surely?Subtle.
6/10
ETA: I am curious as to why you're so vitriolic about this though... what did the bad man in the loud car do to you?
Edited by vtecyo on Wednesday 31st August 16:23
whats the point of playing the 'bad man' game if you're asking serious questions, or are you the troll?
oilspill said:
I work in Switzerland and I see a lot of guys coming down from Norway and Holland to a hotel I stay in with Tesla model S's. I've tried one and they go and feel like fking spaceships. I kept my mouth shut as it quickly became apparent the thread was to admire perceived power' or exotic looks, Tesla's have neither. I also like the idea of pissing all over vastly more expensive cars in stealthy way.
A Tesla is very cool. I see them everywhere in London and larger cities, but in the little country villages I actually reside in they would be classed as very rare.king spaceships. I kept my mouth shut as it quickly became apparent the thread was to admire perceived power' or exotic looks, Tesla's have neither. I also like the idea of pissing all over vastly more expensive cars in stealthy way. Pistonheads, when done properly, is an acceptance of a large amount of motoring pleasure. I don't see why the fact I enjoy the sound of a V8 at full chat somehow means I'm not allowed to also appreciate the 1939 Topolino owned by a fellow who lives about a mile away from me.
oilspill said:
I work in Switzerland and I see a lot of guys coming down from Norway and Holland to a hotel I stay in with Tesla model S's. I've tried one and they go and feel like fking spaceships. I kept my mouth shut as it quickly became apparent the thread was to admire perceived power' or exotic looks, Tesla's have neither. I also like the idea of pissing all over vastly more expensive cars in stealthy way.
Only up to about 60mph although I can guess what your next point is king spaceships. I kept my mouth shut as it quickly became apparent the thread was to admire perceived power' or exotic looks, Tesla's have neither. I also like the idea of pissing all over vastly more expensive cars in stealthy way. 
TX.
*real world conditions*
Going back about 10 years or so ago a guy who lived just up the road from me would regularly drive past my house in an orange Murcielago.
I suspect he used to be a writer for Evo magazine or at least a contributor with a regular column. I seem to remember something about him driving down to Italy in the old orange car to pick a new white LP640 with the orange one being demoted to doing experience days etc.
Any old readers remember anything along those lines?
I suspect he used to be a writer for Evo magazine or at least a contributor with a regular column. I seem to remember something about him driving down to Italy in the old orange car to pick a new white LP640 with the orange one being demoted to doing experience days etc.
Any old readers remember anything along those lines?
jayemm89 said:
A Tesla is very cool. I see them everywhere in London and larger cities, but in the little country villages I actually reside in they would be classed as very rare.
Pistonheads, when done properly, is an acceptance of a large amount of motoring pleasure. I don't see why the fact I enjoy the sound of a V8 at full chat somehow means I'm not allowed to also appreciate the 1939 Topolino owned by a fellow who lives about a mile away from me.
Very few people here seem to be interested in the sound of engineering. They seem more impressed with the distance from which the exhaust gasses can be heard (the sound of wasted energy from a 30% efficient engine ffs ) " heard from the next village" " heard from a mile away" Yet we live in a society where aircraft are being asked to use quieter engines at incredible costs and are banned from flying at nightPistonheads, when done properly, is an acceptance of a large amount of motoring pleasure. I don't see why the fact I enjoy the sound of a V8 at full chat somehow means I'm not allowed to also appreciate the 1939 Topolino owned by a fellow who lives about a mile away from me.
Last year I was hugely impressed with the sound of air going over the F1 cars when off the throttle and saving fuel. I've always known how many kg they produce but theres always that element of disbelief until you hear it. I understand many F1 fans hate the sound of the new exhausts, yet the cars offer so many new interesting noises. I've also liked the sound of those old chain driven carriages that Ross Brawn drives, was quite amazed at the speeds they picked up.
I'm a 2-stroke fan from my karting days, and much prefer the sound of a standard pipe burble in the expansion chamber and the , jingle, ring ding noise from the high revving top end on road bikes, but it seems many of the lads prefer to drown all this out with a straight through/modified baffle. This is what I dont get. The louder you make the vehicle the less character it has. Especially the case with Porsches. Totally ruined with after market pipes that add clatter.
bobbo89 said:
Going back about 10 years or so ago a guy who lived just up the road from me would regularly drive past my house in an orange Murcielago.
I suspect he used to be a writer for Evo magazine or at least a contributor with a regular column. I seem to remember something about him driving down to Italy in the old orange car to pick a new white LP640 with the orange one being demoted to doing experience days etc.
Any old readers remember anything along those lines?
Yes. I think it's the 6th Gear experience car. I suspect he used to be a writer for Evo magazine or at least a contributor with a regular column. I seem to remember something about him driving down to Italy in the old orange car to pick a new white LP640 with the orange one being demoted to doing experience days etc.
Any old readers remember anything along those lines?
And I think he's on here.
IIRC the orange one got to something ludicrous like 200000 miles.
I'm in a little village in Suffolk.
My immediate neighbours have an old Honda Civic on one side and Dacia Sandything on the other. There are lots of old people around here, so it does look a bit like a Waitrose carpark!
But there's some lovely classics too: Caterhams, Lotus Elise and Exige, Jag 140, little old Fiats, Volvo Amazon, Porsches, Ginetta, old series Landies, Merc SLs, and one guy (in the next village) collects old Astons - I think he's had them all since before they became valuable. There are also more old MG Midgets and MGBs than I can count, and the young mums have a thing for 15 year old MX5s right now.
Best of all, there's a smart gastro-pub (hate that term), and most weekends there are some old classics and/or top notch exotica parked up out front.
My immediate neighbours have an old Honda Civic on one side and Dacia Sandything on the other. There are lots of old people around here, so it does look a bit like a Waitrose carpark!
But there's some lovely classics too: Caterhams, Lotus Elise and Exige, Jag 140, little old Fiats, Volvo Amazon, Porsches, Ginetta, old series Landies, Merc SLs, and one guy (in the next village) collects old Astons - I think he's had them all since before they became valuable. There are also more old MG Midgets and MGBs than I can count, and the young mums have a thing for 15 year old MX5s right now.
Best of all, there's a smart gastro-pub (hate that term), and most weekends there are some old classics and/or top notch exotica parked up out front.
Only interesting metal is a cosmetically challenged Chrysler Avenger estate. Only loud thing is my Minor with a badly blowing exhaust (I should visit Oilspill's gaff).
Sad case when we are the interesting house and we only own 5 Morris Minors. Nearest other interesting stuff is owned by a friend 5 mins away
Sad case when we are the interesting house and we only own 5 Morris Minors. Nearest other interesting stuff is owned by a friend 5 mins away
Quite a lot of nice stuff around me, my personal favourite being a Guards Red 1970s 911 coupe in what seems to be full "road rally" spec. It doesn't have a standard exhaust though so needless to say I've phoned the DVLA and the car will be crushed next week. I explained the full MOT test rules to the owner in a nasal voice beforehand, so he's had fair warning. I also gave him a homemade pamphlet on ways to improve his self-esteem.
I've let the standard-exhausted late-90s Maserati Quattroporte survive. For now.
I've let the standard-exhausted late-90s Maserati Quattroporte survive. For now.
A neighbour across the road has a bug-eye Subaru Impreza with a lot of Prodrive bits and pieces, sounds great (
), blue with gold of course. Then a guy up the hill has a WW2 Jeep in light blue/red cross livery. He has a mate with a full size WW2 Ford 6x6 army truck which is way cool but blocks out the sun when he visits!
There's a GT-R35 at the bottom of the hill, and a Mercedes SLS GT rounds the corner. And a nice bloke at the top of the hill has a very custom Harley chopper.
), blue with gold of course. Then a guy up the hill has a WW2 Jeep in light blue/red cross livery. He has a mate with a full size WW2 Ford 6x6 army truck which is way cool but blocks out the sun when he visits!There's a GT-R35 at the bottom of the hill, and a Mercedes SLS GT rounds the corner. And a nice bloke at the top of the hill has a very custom Harley chopper.
Edited by generationx on Wednesday 31st August 17:28
_Neal_ said:
.. It doesn't have a standard exhaust though so needless to say I've phoned the DVLA and the car will be crushed next week. I explained the full MOT test rules to the owner in a nasal voice beforehand, so he's had fair warning. I also gave him a homemade pamphlet on ways to improve his self-esteem.
I've let the standard-exhausted late-90s Maserati Quattroporte survive. For now.
lol I've let the standard-exhausted late-90s Maserati Quattroporte survive. For now.
Terminator X said:
Only up to about 60mph although I can guess what your next point is
TX.
*real world conditions*
you obviously haven't read my previous posts TX.
*real world conditions*
'real world conditions' piss me off more than obnoxiously loud pipes 
when back in the UK, I honestly think Id have more fun on an old Vespa, from someone who still thinks they look better going off a cliff. I genuinely believe government should subsidise track-days and build more tracks for people to let their hair down (loud pipes included) in all types of vehicle, then clean up the roads of all the s
t and wkers making getting from A to B more difficult and stressful .We should start wondering were all our cars will go if the government's wishes of all electric by 2040 come true. Then theres the ever increasing urgency to bring in self-driving vehicles.
None of this looks good for the ICE car enthusiast and particularly those who want to stretch and break the laws, which is just ammo for activists.
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