RE: New Land Rover Discovery teaser
Discussion
RobDown said:
PH forums coming good again. So many useful comments above 
Personally I'll wait to
a) see one in the flesh before judging and
b) check out the practicality. I need it to be a genuine 7 seater (why I have a Disco 4 and not a RRS), I'm a little concerned at first glance that it has a flat roof-line which suggests the third row of seats may not be quite as optimum as they could be. But hopefully LR have done something clever with the packaging
But this is Pistonheads, not only that it's a Pistonheads thread about an "suv" so naturally the majority of posters are people who have neither experience of , nor desire for, such a vehicle ! No doubt any minute now some ranting buffoon will be along with the cut and paste "this is PH the home of people who talk about sportscars not (insert derisory suv cliche here) grrr grrrr grrr etc". Personally I'll wait to
a) see one in the flesh before judging and
b) check out the practicality. I need it to be a genuine 7 seater (why I have a Disco 4 and not a RRS), I'm a little concerned at first glance that it has a flat roof-line which suggests the third row of seats may not be quite as optimum as they could be. But hopefully LR have done something clever with the packaging
There's clearly no place here for posters who might bring both a common sense view and that of an existing or potential owner's
Oh and by the way I couldn't agree more with you
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 6th September 15:03
suffolk009 said:
I'm not a fan.
Is it Julian Thomson's work? (I think he did the squished little Evoque)
Gerry McGovern. He's now responsible for all the cars in the LR line up.Is it Julian Thomson's work? (I think he did the squished little Evoque)
Is it sad that I'm mourning the demise of the Discovery 4 more than I did the Defender?
I remember the upset when the D3 was launched, this is just another change of direction, nothing wrong there.
Look forward to seeing one up close.
vz-r_dave said:
suffolk009 said:
vz-r_dave said:
PH really is hilarious, people calling it ugly from a single image..... pathetic pessimist galore....
You should all be grateful they are even making it!
As I said in the 7th or 8th post, "I'm not a fan". Just my subjective opinion.You should all be grateful they are even making it!
Not quite sure why I should "be grateful they are even making it".
As for being grateful, this is PH, a place where vehicles such as the Disco are (or should be) celebrated in an age where niche (crude) models are dying by the way side.... but you go ahead and not be grateful.. ;~)
From the pics of the side view alone posted on here I would defy anyone to have been able to identify it as the new Disco, or even a Land Rover.
But, hey, I realise I'm no longer Land Rover's target market. So what do I care.
bakerstreet said:
jamespink said:
Oh no, another ugly, low power school run bus. Happy is my friend who specialises in repairing Land Rover cars, he earns a fortune by rebuilding these fragile, cheaply built, unreliable, self destructing machines. Eaten a turbo? No problem, body off, replace whole engine, that'll be £8k please... Suspension sagging, no problem... and so on. Happy man!
Turbo can be done with the body on these days. I'll give you the suspension. Its one of the D3's biggest issues. Prices on them are tumbling too. This Disco will go the way of every other Disco. People will say they are super reliable for the first five years, then expect the issues to start appearing thick and fast.
From the photos I have seen, I think it looks pretty good. Looking forward to seeing the interior
Andy Wheel's Discovery 3 design under Geoff Upex's direction was a masterpiece, clearly functionally-led and contained lots of cues to the earlier models.
Never before or since have I managed to drive something with a more practical load area that wasn't marketed as a van.
This? It could be anything. No visible cues to previous Discovery models, horrible over-styled features, and follows the 'different sizes of Evoque' design language. Criminally, it seems to have lost the clear functionally-led design philosophy.
No thanks from me, but they'll sell by the bucketload.
Never before or since have I managed to drive something with a more practical load area that wasn't marketed as a van.
This? It could be anything. No visible cues to previous Discovery models, horrible over-styled features, and follows the 'different sizes of Evoque' design language. Criminally, it seems to have lost the clear functionally-led design philosophy.
No thanks from me, but they'll sell by the bucketload.
jamespink said:
bakerstreet said:
jamespink said:
Oh no, another ugly, low power school run bus. Happy is my friend who specialises in repairing Land Rover cars, he earns a fortune by rebuilding these fragile, cheaply built, unreliable, self destructing machines. Eaten a turbo? No problem, body off, replace whole engine, that'll be £8k please... Suspension sagging, no problem... and so on. Happy man!
Turbo can be done with the body on these days. I'll give you the suspension. Its one of the D3's biggest issues. Prices on them are tumbling too. This Disco will go the way of every other Disco. People will say they are super reliable for the first five years, then expect the issues to start appearing thick and fast.
From the photos I have seen, I think it looks pretty good. Looking forward to seeing the interior
The body-off doesn't actually take long, and leaves you with very easy access to complete the complex engine work - as long as you've got a 2/4-post lift to leave the body on it's a much more sensible option than scrabbling around in cramped access doing a turbo change.
jamespink said:
thiscocks said:
jamespink said:
these fragile, cheaply built, unreliable, self destructing machines.
erm... ok. Let me guess your a bmw fan?Edited by jamespink on Tuesday 6th September 12:06
If he's on his 5th box, then I'd suggest his useage is far far from what they're designed to cope with, or your pal who looks after it isn't doing a very good job.
New Disco, I like it and hope it does well, I hope they offer a V8 petrol, I think the family face is just that bit too similar to the other models even though it does look good.
Krikkit said:
Which is true of any modern turbodiesel, failure rates on discos are no different than anything else.
The body-off doesn't actually take long, and leaves you with very easy access to complete the complex engine work - as long as you've got a 2/4-post lift to leave the body on it's a much more sensible option than scrabbling around in cramped access doing a turbo change.
I dunno, I'd much rather not have to take my entire vehicle to bits to replace a part the size of a water-melon. The body-off doesn't actually take long, and leaves you with very easy access to complete the complex engine work - as long as you've got a 2/4-post lift to leave the body on it's a much more sensible option than scrabbling around in cramped access doing a turbo change.
To be fair I've not come across many TDV6s with wrecked turbos - mainly electrical gremlins and stupid electronic parking brake thingies packing in. Very complex bits of kit (even by modern car standards) and many maintenance jobs are well beyond the realms of the DIY mechanic-owner. D4s are even more so, the D5 will probably require a legion of teenage computing graduates on-hand in order to reset the brake wear indicators....
(I'll stick to my dinosaur - thanks).
ks have never been lookers 
jamespink said:
The body has to come off to replace the whole engine... result of the turbo letting go.
It's quite possible to replace the turbos on the 3.0 without removing the body. If your mechanic is quoting for that expensive operation then he's either not up to speed or pulling a fast one, I'm afraid.
The way I see it (even as a Land Rover Die Hard) is this;
Firstly, it's extremely ugly, compared to most JLR offerings it looks like it was designed by David Blunkett.
Also, the way the Disco is moving so upmarket, surely it conflicts ever more with the Range Rover Sport (which is also now available with seven seats, a feature previously only the Discovery and Defender 110 had).
Aside from buyers who really need the best off road ability on the market (which no doubt this will have) I don't see who it's pitched at?
Land Rover 'fans' will most likely buy the more prestige RRS, a more fickle buyer who just wants 'a badge' may get a Q7 or an X5 and most other customers will buy the infinitely less ugly Volvo XC90?
The original Discovery buyers, (of which my family were in the early 90's) have of course long since moved into Shoguns, Sorento's and Santa Fe's several years ago.
I fear that its looks may polarise opinion significantly enough to harm sales, however I've been wrong about pretty much every new Land Rover before, so I hope I'm proved wrong!
Firstly, it's extremely ugly, compared to most JLR offerings it looks like it was designed by David Blunkett.
Also, the way the Disco is moving so upmarket, surely it conflicts ever more with the Range Rover Sport (which is also now available with seven seats, a feature previously only the Discovery and Defender 110 had).
Aside from buyers who really need the best off road ability on the market (which no doubt this will have) I don't see who it's pitched at?
Land Rover 'fans' will most likely buy the more prestige RRS, a more fickle buyer who just wants 'a badge' may get a Q7 or an X5 and most other customers will buy the infinitely less ugly Volvo XC90?
The original Discovery buyers, (of which my family were in the early 90's) have of course long since moved into Shoguns, Sorento's and Santa Fe's several years ago.
I fear that its looks may polarise opinion significantly enough to harm sales, however I've been wrong about pretty much every new Land Rover before, so I hope I'm proved wrong!
AJordan said:
The way I see it (even as a Land Rover Die Hard) is this;
Firstly, it's extremely ugly, compared to most JLR offerings it looks like it was designed by David Blunkett.
Also, the way the Disco is moving so upmarket, surely it conflicts ever more with the Range Rover Sport (which is also now available with seven seats, a feature previously only the Discovery and Defender 110 had).
Aside from buyers who really need the best off road ability on the market (which no doubt this will have) I don't see who it's pitched at?
Land Rover 'fans' will most likely buy the more prestige RRS, a more fickle buyer who just wants 'a badge' may get a Q7 or an X5 and most other customers will buy the infinitely less ugly Volvo XC90?
The original Discovery buyers, (of which my family were in the early 90's) have of course long since moved into Shoguns, Sorento's and Santa Fe's several years ago.
I fear that its looks may polarise opinion significantly enough to harm sales, however I've been wrong about pretty much every new Land Rover before, so I hope I'm proved wrong!
I think you're right and you're wrong here. I have to confess I'm interloping here from the Aston Martin forums, and there you will see that many do indeed have the RRS as the second more practical car. Indeed that would be that car that I would buy if I could. So you're right there. Firstly, it's extremely ugly, compared to most JLR offerings it looks like it was designed by David Blunkett.
Also, the way the Disco is moving so upmarket, surely it conflicts ever more with the Range Rover Sport (which is also now available with seven seats, a feature previously only the Discovery and Defender 110 had).
Aside from buyers who really need the best off road ability on the market (which no doubt this will have) I don't see who it's pitched at?
Land Rover 'fans' will most likely buy the more prestige RRS, a more fickle buyer who just wants 'a badge' may get a Q7 or an X5 and most other customers will buy the infinitely less ugly Volvo XC90?
The original Discovery buyers, (of which my family were in the early 90's) have of course long since moved into Shoguns, Sorento's and Santa Fe's several years ago.
I fear that its looks may polarise opinion significantly enough to harm sales, however I've been wrong about pretty much every new Land Rover before, so I hope I'm proved wrong!
But I can't buy a RRS, for the simple reason that it's nowhere near practical enough. The idea that its a seven seater is like saying the DB9 is a four seater. Yes for a trip down the pub, but no more than that. The second row is really only comfortable for 2 people. And the fold down third row in the back are only usuable for more than 10 minutes if you have no legs. So if you want a genuine 7 seater, its got to be the Disco. As I said above, what worries me from these pictures though, is that the third row in the new car will be more RRS like than Disco 4. And if that's the case I may need to go down the Volvo route (please no!)
AJordan said:
The way I see it (even as a Land Rover Die Hard) is this;
Firstly, it's extremely ugly, compared to most JLR offerings it looks like it was designed by David Blunkett.
Also, the way the Disco is moving so upmarket, surely it conflicts ever more with the Range Rover Sport (which is also now available with seven seats, a feature previously only the Discovery and Defender 110 had).
Aside from buyers who really need the best off road ability on the market (which no doubt this will have) I don't see who it's pitched at?
Land Rover 'fans' will most likely buy the more prestige RRS, a more fickle buyer who just wants 'a badge' may get a Q7 or an X5 and most other customers will buy the infinitely less ugly Volvo XC90?
The original Discovery buyers, (of which my family were in the early 90's) have of course long since moved into Shoguns, Sorento's and Santa Fe's several years ago.
I fear that its looks may polarise opinion significantly enough to harm sales, however I've been wrong about pretty much every new Land Rover before, so I hope I'm proved wrong!
Not sure I agree with all of that.Firstly, it's extremely ugly, compared to most JLR offerings it looks like it was designed by David Blunkett.
Also, the way the Disco is moving so upmarket, surely it conflicts ever more with the Range Rover Sport (which is also now available with seven seats, a feature previously only the Discovery and Defender 110 had).
Aside from buyers who really need the best off road ability on the market (which no doubt this will have) I don't see who it's pitched at?
Land Rover 'fans' will most likely buy the more prestige RRS, a more fickle buyer who just wants 'a badge' may get a Q7 or an X5 and most other customers will buy the infinitely less ugly Volvo XC90?
The original Discovery buyers, (of which my family were in the early 90's) have of course long since moved into Shoguns, Sorento's and Santa Fe's several years ago.
I fear that its looks may polarise opinion significantly enough to harm sales, however I've been wrong about pretty much every new Land Rover before, so I hope I'm proved wrong!
The Disco moved progressively upmarket in terms of spec and cost from generation to generation. To put that in context the last D4 we bought had a list price of approx £60k but this didn't seem to impact sales.
So who buys these cars ? In my opinion it's people who want luxury and practically, who value the LR heritage versus other marques and more than the naysayers would have you believe also value the off road capabilities. We recently moved to a FFRR which is a step up in tems of refinement and overall luxury but we miss the 7 genuinely usable seven seats (those in the RRS and Disco Sport are occasional use/child use only), the massive luggage compartment when in 5 seat mode and the cabin festooned with family friendly nooks crannies and various storage bins etc. Theer's every chance we'll be in a D5 next time we change.
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