RE: Alfa Giulia sets 7:32 Nurburgring lap

[Mintbird]

Jimbo. said:

Reliable or not, should that happen with your GT3 (first world problems and all that), then Porsche (usually) won't look at you like you've just shat on the table at Christmas dinner, when you go to the dealers.

Alfa/Maserati will do just that AND take a st on the table at your Christmas dinner just because you asked...

funny you should say that, since Porsche introduced a new clause from 2015 GT3 saying tracking your car will void the warranty, including engine failures. so there.

[powerstroke]

Mintbird said:

Jimbo. said:

Reliable or not, should that happen with your GT3 (first world problems and all that), then Porsche (usually) won't look at you like you've just shat on the table at Christmas dinner, when you go to the dealers.

Alfa/Maserati will do just that AND take a st on the table at your Christmas dinner just because you asked...

funny you should say that, since Porsche introduced a new clause from 2015 GT3 saying tracking your car will void the warranty, including engine failures. so there.

Sounds like they have confidence in the product !!!!

[Oilchange]

My Alfa v6 is on 117,000 miles and counting. It starts and runs really well and I thrash it all the time btw.

[mikearwas]

Mintbird said:

funny you should say that, since Porsche introduced a new clause from 2015 GT3 saying tracking your car will void the warranty, including engine failures. so there.

That is disgraceful. Wasn't aware they'd done that.

[k-ink]

mikearwas said:

Mintbird said:

funny you should say that, since Porsche introduced a new clause from 2015 GT3 saying tracking your car will void the warranty, including engine failures. so there.

That is disgraceful. Wasn't aware they'd done that.

So there is no point buying a GT3 then. One less car to muddy the decision for those lucky enough to afford cars at that level.

[Pdelamare]

The way it rips up through the revs reminds me of my 700hp E63, if that's only 500hp I'll be surprised.

The euro market get the option of RWD whereas we only get the AWD version, that looked like the rear drive only version due to him appearing to be in complete control for only half the lap. Certainly after foxhole he wasn't in any form of control of it for a while lol.

[DukeDickson]

Jam12321 said:

DukeDickson said:

No and yes.

There's gut feel and there's also informed gut feel, possible knowledge and maybe actual knowledge. It may not be 100% accurate, but recall a quote along the lines of in F1, if the right person saw the right photo, they could generally get close to reality about a rivals engine in terms of power, torque, reliability and so on.


The other element is simple common sense. I just happened to watch an Evo drag race video earlier where an RS3 with similar lots of things beat an AMG45 with lots of similar things & by a sufficient margin, with apparently a few horses less. Is it really running 10hp less - not likely!

Somewhat conservative hp claims seem to be the new black, white, whatever. Can the current M3 do 8 something times to 100 with 'only' 10 horses more than its predecessor? Going lower and further back - Focus RS Mk2 vs Mountune ST. Somebody was doing well and somebody wasn't.


Telling porkies about horsepower (or it will still put out stated hp at 20,000ft, running on piss & at 50c) seems to be the new norm with many. Makes a change from the old Italian view of horses, I guess .

I can believe the right engineer looking at a pic of an engine of a competitor might be able to make certain informed guesses about it.

In your example of the rs3,there is far more to a 0-100 sprint then just power. A pair of cars may run similar HP figures but what about tyres, gear ratios & software setup, peak torque figures and when that arrives in the rev range and how long for. What about weight distribution in relation to which road wheels receive how much power/torque. What about the stretch of road they are on? What about the drivers reactions etc..?

If the components, software and test situation for both cars were identical then you can safely assume that one is making more power than the other.

Simply put there are too many variables. I really don't think many people are in a position where they can guess specific HP figures from a video with little experience of the car itself.

Edited by Jam12321 on Saturday 10th September 12:50

The F1 thing was an off-hand quote in Car some time back & I can well believe it, given how protective F1 teams can become when the trying to be part of 'the show, or at least their attempt at that, has the line crossed.


As for the A45 vs RS4, if we were talking either of those vs a 1/2 BM equivalent with the traction thing, or the Golf R with a fair few horses less, or the Focus RS (which is down on power, heavier than claimed or something), then I could understand. However, they are very similar, the Merc has a claimed 10 additional ponies & possibly weighs 50kg less. Yet it loses by a decent margin.

A bit like the Nissan GTR vs Porsche thing, someone isn't being entirely truthful.

[peter450]

thegreenhell said:

kambites said:

SimonTheSailor said:

So what is it some V6 twin turbo thing ?

Yes, a new unit developed for this car.

It's a 90 degree V6 built by Ferrari specifically for this car. It has the same engine code name (F154) as the twin turbo V8 in the 488 and California T, and is essentially 75% of that engine.

They should have saved on the development budget and just stuck in a detuned Ferrari v8

[smm3008]

Pdelamare said:

The euro market get the option of RWD whereas we only get the AWD version, that looked like the rear drive only version due to him appearing to be in complete control for only half the lap. Certainly after foxhole he wasn't in any form of control of it for a while lol.

It's the other way around, we only get the option for an automatic RWD car, out in Europe they get the option for manual and 4WD

Sam

[smm3008]

peter450 said:

They should have saved on the development budget and just stuck in a detuned Ferrari v8

Rumour has it that they couldn't get the Ferrari V8 to fit, so they cut two cylinders off to make the 2.9L V6 that they have now

[DeltaEvo2]

The driver said: "the tyres used were the Pirelli Corsa the Giulia comes with..."

[k-ink]

Let's be honest, whatever Alfa do it won't be enough for some. Many will only buy German as they are addicted to the marketing hype and mega repair bills

[foxsasha]

Every aspect of the attempt is so Italian, it's superb. Instant respect and love for Alfa and if I was in the market for such a car I'd be looking at the Giulio first.

[krallicious]

alexkeramidas said:

Regarding the tires used

Well that would explain some of the understeer in the final third of the lap. Impressive.

[StescoG66]

Ali_T said:

LOL, you acrualky think VW used a standard car? They're the worst for overboosting press cars, never mind laptime cars.

So they lie about that too......... Wonder what other porkies VAG tell then..........

[StescoG66]

smm3008 said:

peter450 said:

They should have saved on the development budget and just stuck in a detuned Ferrari v8

Rumour has it that they couldn't get the Ferrari V8 to fit, so they cut two cylinders off to make the 2.9L V6 that they have now

There is talk of an even hotter version. Wonder if the V8 could be it??

[sx187]

k-ink said:

So there is no point buying a GT3 then. One less car to muddy the decision for those lucky enough to afford cars at that level.

Not a bad idea to keep a close eye on the front suspension top plates either.They seem a little prone to breaking up;)

[Terminator X]

DukeDickson said:

The other element is simple common sense. I just happened to watch an Evo drag race video earlier where an RS3 with similar lots of things beat an AMG45 with lots of similar things & by a sufficient margin, with apparently a few horses less. Is it really running 10hp less - not likely!

O/T but the RS3's seem to dyno at 390-400hp so yes they run more power as standard than Audi let on.

TX.

[smm3008]

StescoG66 said:

smm3008 said:

peter450 said:

They should have saved on the development budget and just stuck in a detuned Ferrari v8

Rumour has it that they couldn't get the Ferrari V8 to fit, so they cut two cylinders off to make the 2.9L V6 that they have now

There is talk of an even hotter version. Wonder if the V8 could be it??

I doubt they'd put the V8 in there, but it'd be amazing if they made a GTA version which was lightened and had the V8 installed. Maybe they'll wait till they release the coupe before they do it?

Sam

[generationx]

Ordered one last weekend...