Ferrari Mondial

[anonymous-user]

cat with a hat said:

It use to irritate me, but since taking my bike test 3-4 years ago, its quite hilarious to spectate.

I simply see cars as a-b transport now as they arent nearly as involving and dare I say enjoyable or value for money compared to cars.

st cars no.

[anonymous-user]

Pretty much agree I remember them at £15k - Christ even £10k!! And they weren't exactly shifting then. Time hasn't been kind to them, they still look too ungainly and awkward. Same applies for the 400.

I really don't know who is buying them at £50k+

The only 'budget' Ferrari that justified its price increase is the 456 IMO - and they're still relatively reasonable around £60k or so.

[Bonefish Blues]

Olivera said:

Like other Ferraris such as the 400i and Dino GT4.

Now they are esteemed heritage vehicles offering a wonderful investment opportunity...

Some people always had these two in their top 3 Ferraris, but I accept we were a tiny tiny minority

[dbdb]

Bonefish Blues said:

Olivera said:

Like other Ferraris such as the 400i and Dino GT4.

Now they are esteemed heritage vehicles offering a wonderful investment opportunity...

Some people always had these two in their top 3 Ferraris, but I accept we were a tiny tiny minority

I like the 400 a great deal. They were well regarded at one time - it was only much later they became an 'embarrassing Ferrari'. The 400 is one of the few Ferraris I actually like. I love the shape of them.

[Wills2]

A rising tide lifts all the boats and even the leaky ones stay afloat for a while.

Same with the unloved Dino 308GT4, wheeler dealers bought for less than 8k IIRC on an episode a few years ago, they're now offered at up to 60k.

Edited by Wills2 on Sunday 11th September 22:44

[Bonefish Blues]

dbdb said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Olivera said:

Like other Ferraris such as the 400i and Dino GT4.

Now they are esteemed heritage vehicles offering a wonderful investment opportunity...

Some people always had these two in their top 3 Ferraris, but I accept we were a tiny tiny minority

I like the 400 a great deal. They were well regarded at one time - it was only much later they became an 'embarrassing Ferrari'. The 400 is one of the few Ferraris I actually like. I love the shape of them.

Indeed they were, I remember two things about them - the Car article which was, as you say, very complimentary, and also filling one (actually the 365) when I was a pump boy.

[mizx]

I always thought they looked ok, though they have not-so-good angles. Nothing on some other Ferraris from that era, but has it's charms imho.

My money would still go on an 355 F1 Spider in one of the Grigio/Azzurro colours or TDF blue, ~£85k+ now. That other thread about the crazy prices these days got me thinking, despite ownership no doubt being a money pit, they never seemed out of the realms of possibility when they were at 35-40k

[MitchT]

Love these in dark, metallic colours. Superb car to drive on the limit by all accounts.

[RobDickinson]

rossub said:

They are not worth £50k ffs - who the hell would pay £50k for a bloody Ferrari Mondial.

Pretty easy to not buy one...

[Ozzie Osmond]

An article here from 2012 gives some background on "cheap" Ferraris, including Mondial. The prices are way out of date both for the cars and, more particularly, for annual running costs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufactur...

"Engine out" servicing will empty your wallet very quickly,

http://www.cs.unc.edu/~keller/cars/Repair.html

[anonymous-user]

rossub said:

Jesus H there's one for £90k

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-mondial-3-4T-onl...

The owner thought it was so crap they only drove it 13k miles

[nct001]

AVV EM said:

rossub said:

Jesus H there's one for £90k

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-mondial-3-4T-onl...

The owner thought it was so crap they only drove it 13k miles

A late model Mondial T Convertible like that example was £50k 10 plus years ago - they just were significantly more expensive than the earlier cars. I'm no expert but they probably only made a few hundred UK T Convertibles.

I had a 1985 in chiaro blue quattrovalvolve or whatever it was calIed paid £10k for it in 2005 and unless you have driven one you just can't slate one. The sheer child like amusement from the engine note and exhaust and the clunk from the gearbox gate and the smell of a Ferrari ... No sincro in first and steering so heavy I used to get it stuck in car parks as the visibility was so poor...

Great fun, very fast and a car of its time and that's why they have appreciated.

[LotusOmega375D]

I was casually looking at adverts for these 3 or 4 years ago, as a weekend family classic. No Mondial was over 30K: even for the mintest low mileage T cabrio (probably about 27K at a dealer). 23K would have got you the very best T coupe. The "sensible" buy was the 3.2 (i.e. 328 equivalent): pretty quick, tided up exterior, probably better bodywork than earlier cars and importantly no need for pricey engine-out cam belt changes. I believe the rear seat room in the cabrio is even worse than the coupe, due to the hood mechanism and an additional chassis cross-member under the front seats.

I have never had a problem with the looks (unlike the earlier Bertone 308 GT4) and think the cabrio with top down looks handsome. If it was good enough for Dodi Fayed (light metallic blue one)... OK not the best recommendation...

It's not track weapon but an interesting GT nevertheless. They're also a lot cheaper than a 328 nowadays.

[Hugh Jarse]

You can change the cambelt on a T with the petrol tank out, engine stays in.
You can change the clutch and cambet on all the others on a car jack.
Quite easy maintenance reliable and galvanised.
Once the fusebox is resoldered and the relays changed for new the electrics should behave themselves.

[Panthro]

Off topic true story - I did my work experience at an aerospace company and there was a pristine Mondial parked in the front most parking space every morning. I found out that it belonged to the security guard who sold his house and moved to a mobile home just so he could fulfil his dream of owning a Ferrari.

[coppice]

LotusOmega375D said:

I was casually looking at adverts for these 3 or 4 years ago, as a weekend family classic. No Mondial was over 30K: even for the mintest low mileage T cabrio (probably about 27K at a dealer). 23K would have got you the very best T coupe. The "sensible" buy was the 3.2 (i.e. 328 equivalent): pretty quick, tided up exterior, probably better bodywork than earlier cars and importantly no need for pricey engine-out cam belt changes. I believe the rear seat room in the cabrio is even worse than the coupe, due to the hood mechanism and an additional chassis cross-member under the front seats.

I have never had a problem with the looks (unlike the earlier Bertone 308 GT4) and think the cabrio with top down looks handsome. If it was good enough for Dodi Fayed (light metallic blue one)... OK not the best recommendation...

It's not track weapon but an interesting GT nevertheless. They're also a lot cheaper than a 328 nowadays.

Oddly enough I think the 308GT4 looked great in period and even better now. It exudes a certain menace which the GTB lacks .

Values are largely meaningless in an appreciation of a car - there's good cars and bad cars . There's expensive bad cars and cheap good cars - even though the pricier end does tend to attract the odd class warrior saying his hatchback is better. In purely binary terms of course a mildly sporty Focus does most things far better than a Bugatti Type 35 or an E Type and a generic turbo diesel would leave an Esprit or Elan gasping. But who wants to just sit and look at a Golf GTD ? Which do you take for a blast in the mountains - a howling straight 8 supercharged T35 or ...ahem..a Corsa VXR ?

[Bonefish Blues]

coppice said:

Oddly enough I think the 308GT4 looked great in period and even better now. It exudes a certain menace which the GTB lacks .

I think it sits more easily on its wheels, whereas the GTB's a little "perched" on a slightly-too-short wheelbase. Besides, I like Bernote's work

[wack]

cat with a hat said:

It use to irritate me, but since taking my bike test 3-4 years ago, its quite hilarious to spectate.

I simply see cars as a-b transport now as they arent nearly as involving and dare I say enjoyable or value for money compared to bikes.

Edited by cat with a hat on Sunday 11th September 23:15

I agree there's nothing as exciting as riding a bike may-oct but there's nothing worse oct-may

whenever I see a biker on the motorway in the winter I think that looks fun and turn the heater up another notch

[98elise]

rallycross said:

I remember these could be bought for £15k-£17k -and nobody wanted them at that price.

These things cost as much to repair/restore as a good Ferarri (rust, cambelts, wonky trim etc).
The 400i gave these a good run for their money as being the Ferrari no one wanted in the 90's.

I'm sure you could get ropy ones for nearer 10k at one point.

[POORCARDEALER]

A late 3.4T isnt a bad car, earlier ones rusted badly....when prices of the more desirable cars increase they always drag the lesser models up with them, look at 911s as an example