Ferrari Mondial
Discussion
Joey Deacon said:
In 2006 Top Gear had an Italian mid engines supercar for £10K challenge.
Hammond bought a ferrari 308GT4, Clarkson a Maserati Merak and May bought a Lamborghini Urraco.
the cars were basically a joke. Look at what they are worth now!
I wouldn't rely on Top Gear for factual information !Hammond bought a ferrari 308GT4, Clarkson a Maserati Merak and May bought a Lamborghini Urraco.
the cars were basically a joke. Look at what they are worth now!
However yes when once expensive cars are worth buttons people won't / can't afford to maintain them the good news about this bubble, is that people will spend money renovating similar cars, for us to buy when the bubble bursts for a fraction of the renovation costs.
Edited by V8RX7 on Tuesday 11th October 13:23
It is always tempting - if facile- either to look back at the past and sneer at it by comparing it to the present or to view everything from long ago with rose tinted specs.
So the GT4 - let's forget 'price' or at least not confuse it with value - as every desirable car from the past dips in value before rising again. Look at what Nick Mason paid for his GTO - £75k was it? It's the same car but it is now worth £15-20m(or whatever- it's a lot ).
In period the GT4 got a lot of plaudits from the specialised press - decent journalists like Roger Bell(who drove as well as he wrote ) liked it a lot; it didn't have the curvy sexiness of the 246 but it was far more modern and its looks have lasted . The V8 was singled out for especial praise and its performance was the equal of anything else short of a Countach or Boxer.
But the Mondiale was damned with faint praise from the start , partly because the cab forward styling was not especially pretty but mainly because its early iterations were not fast by Ferrari standards . But it still had a cavallino rampante and that counts for a lot, including with me.
So the GT4 - let's forget 'price' or at least not confuse it with value - as every desirable car from the past dips in value before rising again. Look at what Nick Mason paid for his GTO - £75k was it? It's the same car but it is now worth £15-20m(or whatever- it's a lot ).
In period the GT4 got a lot of plaudits from the specialised press - decent journalists like Roger Bell(who drove as well as he wrote ) liked it a lot; it didn't have the curvy sexiness of the 246 but it was far more modern and its looks have lasted . The V8 was singled out for especial praise and its performance was the equal of anything else short of a Countach or Boxer.
But the Mondiale was damned with faint praise from the start , partly because the cab forward styling was not especially pretty but mainly because its early iterations were not fast by Ferrari standards . But it still had a cavallino rampante and that counts for a lot, including with me.
When you can buy a 360 Modena for 70-80 grand, why would anyone pay 50 grand for an old Mondial? Ferraris aren't my thing at all (unless it's with 12 cylinders) but even I know the Mondial was the s
t one nobody wanted - bloody horrible looking things. The 308GT4 does at least have a bit or ironic seventies cool (especially in a funky colour) but the Mondial? No.
I'm sure they drive well, but so do a lot of other cars where rust, oil leaks, FTP incidents and the general crapness of old Italian cars aren't an issue. A new BMW M2 is just one example, a Porsche 993 is another if you like old stuff.
However for 15 grand they're worth a punt if you really must have an old Ferrari.
t one nobody wanted - bloody horrible looking things. The 308GT4 does at least have a bit or ironic seventies cool (especially in a funky colour) but the Mondial? No.I'm sure they drive well, but so do a lot of other cars where rust, oil leaks, FTP incidents and the general crapness of old Italian cars aren't an issue. A new BMW M2 is just one example, a Porsche 993 is another if you like old stuff.
However for 15 grand they're worth a punt if you really must have an old Ferrari.
Mr_Yogi said:
I always liked the 400i, couldn't wait to graduate, get a job and buy one when they were about £10K. Sadly by the time that happened they were a bit more and I'd discovered the price for insurance and maintanence 
Still like them though, the V12 might have had something to do with it?
Years ago when I sold cars (early 2000s) we took a 400i in PX and paid IIRC £7k for it, I thought wow that is too good to turn down. then I read the history file and it was well in excess of £100k, including a recent bill for 5 figures, so I did not bother.Still like them though, the V12 might have had something to do with it?
LotusOmega375D said:
I have never had a problem with the looks (unlike the earlier Bertone 308 GT4) and think the cabrio with top down looks handsome. If it was good enough for Dodi Fayed (light metallic blue one)... OK not the best recommendation...
A quick google shows that particular car sold for £27,500 with only 6,500 miles!https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1988-ferrari-m...
iSore said:
When you can buy a 360 Modena for 70-80 grand, why would anyone pay 50 grand for an old Mondial? Ferraris aren't my thing at all (unless it's with 12 cylinders) but even I know the Mondial was the st one nobody wanted - bloody horrible looking things. The 308GT4 does at least have a bit or ironic seventies cool (especially in a funky colour) but the Mondial? No.
I'm sure they drive well, but so do a lot of other cars where rust, oil leaks, FTP incidents and the general crapness of old Italian cars aren't an issue. A new BMW M2 is just one example, a Porsche 993 is another if you like old stuff.
However for 15 grand they're worth a punt if you really must have an old Ferrari.
Or a 348/355 (as i prefer the looks of those to the 360)t one nobody wanted - bloody horrible looking things. The 308GT4 does at least have a bit or ironic seventies cool (especially in a funky colour) but the Mondial? No.I'm sure they drive well, but so do a lot of other cars where rust, oil leaks, FTP incidents and the general crapness of old Italian cars aren't an issue. A new BMW M2 is just one example, a Porsche 993 is another if you like old stuff.
However for 15 grand they're worth a punt if you really must have an old Ferrari.
Honestly, i adore the 308GTB, but id rather buy no Ferrari at all then get a 308GT4, Mondial or 400, id forever be left with the feeling of not quite having the real deal. There are other cars out there much more desirable for the same money of a mondial, even if they dont have the prancing horse badge
The 40K for the cheapest mondial in the classifieds will get you into a maserati GT with 10K to spare FFS... (yes, i know, completely different cars... just goes to show what kind of metal 40K will net, im sure there are plenty of desirable old 911s out there)
Vitorio said:
id rather buy no Ferrari at all then get a Mondial id forever be left with the feeling of not quite having the real deal.
There are other cars out there much more desirable for the same money of a mondial, even if they dont have the prancing horse badge)
Name them.There are other cars out there much more desirable for the same money of a mondial, even if they dont have the prancing horse badge)
As I said I was looking for a V8, Manual, RWD, 2+2 Sportscar
V8RX7 said:
Vitorio said:
id rather buy no Ferrari at all then get a Mondial id forever be left with the feeling of not quite having the real deal.
There are other cars out there much more desirable for the same money of a mondial, even if they dont have the prancing horse badge)
Name them.There are other cars out there much more desirable for the same money of a mondial, even if they dont have the prancing horse badge)
As I said I was looking for a V8, Manual, RWD, 2+2 Sportscar
I never got on with the Mondial. My experience is limited to an early 80's Mondial 8 which was, by standards of the day, pretty tepid, exacerbated by its low gearing.
The exaggerated "cab- forward" driving position makes the driver look tiny, and doesn't suit my frame at all.
I'm sure the QV onwards cars were better, but there were, and are far better Italian cars in the price range.
The exaggerated "cab- forward" driving position makes the driver look tiny, and doesn't suit my frame at all.
I'm sure the QV onwards cars were better, but there were, and are far better Italian cars in the price range.
Welshbeef said:
Hammond kept his yelllow Ferrari from that show
He said his car ran out of electricity in that episode, but I'll wager it ate it's alternator belt. Reason being is that the tool kit comes with at least two spares....Anyway, my brother paid about £14k for his 308 in 2003, and he won't sell it now for a penny less than £45k.
Personally I think he's mad.
mizx said:
I always thought they looked ok, though they have not-so-good angles. Nothing on some other Ferraris from that era, but has it's charms imho.
My money would still go on an 355 F1 Spider in one of the Grigio/Azzurro colours or TDF blue, ~£85k+ now. That other thread about the crazy prices these days got me thinking, despite ownership no doubt being a money pit, they never seemed out of the realms of possibility when they were at 35-40k
My money would still go on an 355 F1 Spider in one of the Grigio/Azzurro colours or TDF blue, ~£85k+ now. That other thread about the crazy prices these days got me thinking, despite ownership no doubt being a money pit, they never seemed out of the realms of possibility when they were at 35-40k
As a teenager/21 year old I always thought one day a 355 could just maybe be mine. 
Shnozz said:
LotusOmega375D said:
I have never had a problem with the looks (unlike the earlier Bertone 308 GT4) and think the cabrio with top down looks handsome. If it was good enough for Dodi Fayed (light metallic blue one)... OK not the best recommendation...
A quick google shows that particular car sold for £27,500 with only 6,500 miles!https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1988-ferrari-m...
thegreenhell said:
I'd love a 400 to waft about in. They have a sense of style and class that's totally alien to modern Ferraris.
Indeed. They're like a seventies XJS only more crap ( if that's possible), but they have a genteel style and image of old money as opposed the the rather desperate 'I can't afford a 308GTB' that the Mondial implies.Bryan Ferry would have a 400i. Mondial? Not a chance.
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