RE: Revo's Mustang 'Ecobeast': PH Videoblog
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Maybe it's been "too long away" but the Capri sold a million units from 1969 to 1973 which, according to sales figures, meant it sold more units than the Mustang in the same time period (900,000), ironically due to strong sales to America and Australia.
The Capri had a phenomenal motor sport history and was instrumental in starting the RS concept back in 1970 (RS2600) but, of course, the last one rolled off the line in 1986 - 30 years ago so maybe its time has gone.
I have a Mustang because, to me, it will always be an American car.
The Euro-Mustang diluted that, rather than enhanced it and I don't like the Euro-styling, so would have favoured a Capri. To me, it simply doesn't fit into the European lineup but as long as it sells, i am sure Ford will be happy. The question is whether it will continue to sell.
The Capri had a phenomenal motor sport history and was instrumental in starting the RS concept back in 1970 (RS2600) but, of course, the last one rolled off the line in 1986 - 30 years ago so maybe its time has gone.
I have a Mustang because, to me, it will always be an American car.
The Euro-Mustang diluted that, rather than enhanced it and I don't like the Euro-styling, so would have favoured a Capri. To me, it simply doesn't fit into the European lineup but as long as it sells, i am sure Ford will be happy. The question is whether it will continue to sell.
fred bloggs said:
Centurion07 said:
the Monaro didn't do that well because the market for a large-capacity V8 is pretty niche so it was bought exclusively by petrolheads,
The monaro didnt do well because of all the jap turbo cars cheaply availible at the time IMO. peter450 said:
fred bloggs said:
Centurion07 said:
the Monaro didn't do that well because the market for a large-capacity V8 is pretty niche so it was bought exclusively by petrolheads,
The monaro didnt do well because of all the jap turbo cars cheaply availible at the time IMO. None of which should plague the Mustang.
LuS1fer said:
Maybe it's been "too long away" but the Capri sold a million units from 1969 to 1973 which, according to sales figures, meant it sold more units than the Mustang in the same time period (900,000), ironically due to strong sales to America and Australia.
The Capri had a phenomenal motor sport history and was instrumental in starting the RS concept back in 1970 (RS2600) but, of course, the last one rolled off the line in 1986 - 30 years ago so maybe its time has gone.
I have a Mustang because, to me, it will always be an American car.
The Euro-Mustang diluted that, rather than enhanced it and I don't like the Euro-styling, so would have favoured a Capri. To me, it simply doesn't fit into the European lineup but as long as it sells, i am sure Ford will be happy. The question is whether it will continue to sell.
It will be interesting to see how sales hold up, The Capri was a big seller and I remember looking at buying a brooklands 2.8 around 15 years ago, it was 6k at the time and pretty mint, you can probably double that at least now, but it's still not a mustang a car that is known worldwide. The Capri just does not have that same recognitionThe Capri had a phenomenal motor sport history and was instrumental in starting the RS concept back in 1970 (RS2600) but, of course, the last one rolled off the line in 1986 - 30 years ago so maybe its time has gone.
I have a Mustang because, to me, it will always be an American car.
The Euro-Mustang diluted that, rather than enhanced it and I don't like the Euro-styling, so would have favoured a Capri. To me, it simply doesn't fit into the European lineup but as long as it sells, i am sure Ford will be happy. The question is whether it will continue to sell.
I guess for me the idea of a Mustang, along with Camaros and Challengers is that they are muscle cars. They're big, brash and have muscle, aka a whacking great engine. You forgive their lack of subtlety because the engine makes up for it.
I guess to so many people to see the Ecoboost version of the Mustang detracts from it being a muscle car, because it lacks the muscle. It's no doubt quick but in my mind, a muscle car needs a V8. Otherwise it's lose it's character.
I guess to so many people to see the Ecoboost version of the Mustang detracts from it being a muscle car, because it lacks the muscle. It's no doubt quick but in my mind, a muscle car needs a V8. Otherwise it's lose it's character.
The issue with the 4-pot Mustang is engine feel. If for argument sake the smaller engine was something like the old Volvo 850 T5 2.3 engine which I had, it might make a more tempting case. Yes eco issues killed it off but it was supremely smooth but equally had great character....
The Ecoboost in the 'Stang may be suitable for big power but I'd struggle to find its character appealing enough not to hold out for the V8...
The Ecoboost in the 'Stang may be suitable for big power but I'd struggle to find its character appealing enough not to hold out for the V8...
peter450 said:
fred bloggs said:
Centurion07 said:
the Monaro didn't do that well because the market for a large-capacity V8 is pretty niche so it was bought exclusively by petrolheads,
The monaro didnt do well because of all the jap turbo cars cheaply availible at the time IMO. 
aeropilot said:
Monaro and VXR8 fail sales wise, because of the Vauxhall badge.....they could have easily kept the Holden HSV badging/nameplate as a niche sub-brand, but still sold by Vauxhall dealers, and played on the HSV racing history. Another GM marketing fail. With a Vauxhall badge there is no history and heritage, which is exactly what the Mustang has by the bucket load....and some.
Wrong - there IS history & heritage with vauxhall.... Unfortunately the numpties @ GM didn’t figure out a way to use it. The idiots @ furd thankfully didirocfan said:
aeropilot said:
Monaro and VXR8 fail sales wise, because of the Vauxhall badge.....they could have easily kept the Holden HSV badging/nameplate as a niche sub-brand, but still sold by Vauxhall dealers, and played on the HSV racing history. Another GM marketing fail. With a Vauxhall badge there is no history and heritage, which is exactly what the Mustang has by the bucket load....and some.
Wrong - there IS history & heritage with vauxhall.... Unfortunately the numpties @ GM didn’t figure out a way to use it. No V8 road car history with Vauxhall.......only tangible Vauxhall V8 link would be Big Gerry and the Baby/Big Bertha race cars from the 70's.....and how many people today outside of us geeky motorsport nerds will even know about that...?
irocfan said:
aeropilot said:
Monaro and VXR8 fail sales wise, because of the Vauxhall badge.....they could have easily kept the Holden HSV badging/nameplate as a niche sub-brand, but still sold by Vauxhall dealers, and played on the HSV racing history. Another GM marketing fail. With a Vauxhall badge there is no history and heritage, which is exactly what the Mustang has by the bucket load....and some.
Wrong - there IS history & heritage with vauxhall.... Unfortunately the numpties @ GM didn’t figure out a way to use it. The idiots @ furd thankfully didI suspect the Mustang will be the same in this respect.
Saw a Mustang V8 at my local dealer this lunchtime. Had a look round and it looks pretty good. I have to say that in the flesh and up close it isn't that big. It's not a small car but it's not massive either. Interior looked pretty nice too, although that was just looking throug the window.
aeropilot said:
irocfan said:
aeropilot said:
Monaro and VXR8 fail sales wise, because of the Vauxhall badge.....they could have easily kept the Holden HSV badging/nameplate as a niche sub-brand, but still sold by Vauxhall dealers, and played on the HSV racing history. Another GM marketing fail. With a Vauxhall badge there is no history and heritage, which is exactly what the Mustang has by the bucket load....and some.
Wrong - there IS history & heritage with vauxhall.... Unfortunately the numpties @ GM didn’t figure out a way to use it. No V8 road car history with Vauxhall.......only tangible Vauxhall V8 link would be Big Gerry and the Baby/Big Bertha race cars from the 70's.....and how many people today outside of us geeky motorsport nerds will even know about that...?
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