RE: Revo's Mustang 'Ecobeast': PH Videoblog
Discussion
J4CKO said:
If there was another 30 grand coupe, that with a £500 remap would deliver 360 bhp and over 400 lb/ft we would probably quite like it, the GT86 has the "not enough power" thing thrown at it, this has enough power for most.
I would buy the V8 for the difference in price but I bet this is still alright, I suspect Stage two will be nearer 400 bhp, Icurrently drive a V8 but I do like boosty 4 pots.
Moaning about a 360 bhp car, have we ever had it so good if this represents cat excrement ?
in terms of actual affordability, a 240i probably doesn't cost much different, doesn't need a remap really and has six cylinders..I would buy the V8 for the difference in price but I bet this is still alright, I suspect Stage two will be nearer 400 bhp, Icurrently drive a V8 but I do like boosty 4 pots.
Moaning about a 360 bhp car, have we ever had it so good if this represents cat excrement ?
Some of the enthusiasts on the Mustang forums in the US reckoned the ecoboost, in it's lowest spec with a manual gearbox was the purists choice. Better steering, handling and braking by virtue of being lighter. RS Mustang anyone?
Personally I'd have a V8 or nothing. In fact thinking about I'd have a supercharged V8 or nothing.
Personally I'd have a V8 or nothing. In fact thinking about I'd have a supercharged V8 or nothing.
Edited by Motorrad on Thursday 15th September 13:33
98elise said:
underphil said:
rtz62 said:
The Revo Stage 1 package is pretty darn quick; just look at 5.25 into the video log and watch how the 'stang trips thr light fantastic, and the speed of light, barrelling down the road in less than the blink of an eye...!
On a serious note, I get what you say about wanting the V8 over the ecoboost, but is that because we are brainwashed into it.
The reality is that, other than noise, and perhaps a little bit of immediate throttle response, the Revo car does the job admirably, and it will be interesting when Dan tries a RHD version with a Stage 2 kit, exhaust etc on; I predict that it will be a different kettle of fish and will alter our perceptions of the 'poverty spec' engine....
if you think a 4 cylinder turbo > V8, I think it is you that has been brainwashed !!On a serious note, I get what you say about wanting the V8 over the ecoboost, but is that because we are brainwashed into it.
The reality is that, other than noise, and perhaps a little bit of immediate throttle response, the Revo car does the job admirably, and it will be interesting when Dan tries a RHD version with a Stage 2 kit, exhaust etc on; I predict that it will be a different kettle of fish and will alter our perceptions of the 'poverty spec' engine....
I've no doubt this Revo remap makes the Ecoboost even better but for £3,500 on top of this package you can get the proper V8 and also retain that ever important warranty.
As Dan mentions in the video too, mpg in the real world isn't too dissimilar either so what are the real benefits of the ecoboost over the V8? Neither are lightweight nimble cars so ultimately it comes down to which type of power delivery does one prefer.
It'll be interesting to see how the residuals of both engines are in say 5 years time. I suspect the Ecoboost will drop much quicker than the V8 making it, and the Revo package, much more attractive to the second hand market.
As Dan mentions in the video too, mpg in the real world isn't too dissimilar either so what are the real benefits of the ecoboost over the V8? Neither are lightweight nimble cars so ultimately it comes down to which type of power delivery does one prefer.
It'll be interesting to see how the residuals of both engines are in say 5 years time. I suspect the Ecoboost will drop much quicker than the V8 making it, and the Revo package, much more attractive to the second hand market.
The Revo Stage 1 package is pretty darn quick; just look at 5.25 into the video log and watch how the 'stang trips thr light fantastic, and the speed of light, barrelling down the road in less than the blink of an eye...!
On a serious note, I get what you say about wanting the V8 over the ecoboost, but is that because we are brainwashed into it.
The reality is that, other than noise, and perhaps a little bit of immediate throttle response, the Revo car does the job admirably, and it will be interesting when Dan tries a RHD version with a Stage 2 kit, exhaust etc on; I predict that it will be a different kettle of fish and will alter our perceptions of the 'poverty spec' engine....
On a serious note, I get what you say about wanting the V8 over the ecoboost, but is that because we are brainwashed into it.
The reality is that, other than noise, and perhaps a little bit of immediate throttle response, the Revo car does the job admirably, and it will be interesting when Dan tries a RHD version with a Stage 2 kit, exhaust etc on; I predict that it will be a different kettle of fish and will alter our perceptions of the 'poverty spec' engine....
Having owned 6 V8's and a V12, Europe seems to have a fixation on V8's - usually because we've had to make do with weak 4 and 6 cylinders.
I can safely say I'm over it, its not to say that I wouldn't buy another V8 (or more cylinders) but I wouldn't buy a car just because it was a V8, it has to have other differentiating features (performance, cost, economy vs. bigger engines).
If a 4pot turbo can be made to perform as well, be cheaper to run, handle better, stop better, still sound ok (but in a different way) for less money then so be it.
I can safely say I'm over it, its not to say that I wouldn't buy another V8 (or more cylinders) but I wouldn't buy a car just because it was a V8, it has to have other differentiating features (performance, cost, economy vs. bigger engines).
If a 4pot turbo can be made to perform as well, be cheaper to run, handle better, stop better, still sound ok (but in a different way) for less money then so be it.
Alcohol free lager?
Sugar free sweets?
4 pot Mustang?
They all have their place but they're not the 'real thing'.
I'd only buy an American car for the V8 experience, if you're only looking at performance and practicality there are plenty of Japanese and European cars that outperform this .
What's next? an electric Harley?
Sugar free sweets?
4 pot Mustang?
They all have their place but they're not the 'real thing'.
I'd only buy an American car for the V8 experience, if you're only looking at performance and practicality there are plenty of Japanese and European cars that outperform this .
What's next? an electric Harley?
Edited by brrapp on Thursday 15th September 14:22
rtz62 said:
The Revo Stage 1 package is pretty darn quick; just look at 5.25 into the video log and watch how the 'stang trips thr light fantastic, and the speed of light, barrelling down the road in less than the blink of an eye...!
On a serious note, I get what you say about wanting the V8 over the ecoboost, but is that because we are brainwashed into it.
The reality is that, other than noise, and perhaps a little bit of immediate throttle response, the Revo car does the job admirably, and it will be interesting when Dan tries a RHD version with a Stage 2 kit, exhaust etc on; I predict that it will be a different kettle of fish and will alter our perceptions of the 'poverty spec' engine....
I don't know what you've driven before, but the performance of a performance car as an ownership proposition is for most people secondary to the emotive qualities of the car.On a serious note, I get what you say about wanting the V8 over the ecoboost, but is that because we are brainwashed into it.
The reality is that, other than noise, and perhaps a little bit of immediate throttle response, the Revo car does the job admirably, and it will be interesting when Dan tries a RHD version with a Stage 2 kit, exhaust etc on; I predict that it will be a different kettle of fish and will alter our perceptions of the 'poverty spec' engine....
Inline 4s are at best functional, whereas even the worst V8s can put a grin on someone's face by sound alone.
Therefore how quick this Revo Ecoboost Mustang is lacks relevance. They're bought as road cars and they're all fast enough, but what people want when they buy a quick car with an impractical shape is some emotion. That's going to mean V8 for most people.
It's got nothing to do with brain washing. Chasing performance figures is brain washing. Changing down a gear unnecessarily to listen to your V8 is what it's all about.
havoc said:
rtz62 said:
On a serious note, I get what you say about wanting the V8 over the ecoboost, but is that because we are brainwashed into it.
The reality is that, other than noise, and perhaps a little bit of immediate throttle response, the Revo car does the job admirably, and it will be interesting when Dan tries a RHD version with a Stage 2 kit, exhaust etc on; I predict that it will be a different kettle of fish and will alter our perceptions of the 'poverty spec' engine....
Both cars are already plenty quick enough for UK road driving*, including occasional derestricted Autobahn-storming. So for a modern performance car buyer the differentiators are:-The reality is that, other than noise, and perhaps a little bit of immediate throttle response, the Revo car does the job admirably, and it will be interesting when Dan tries a RHD version with a Stage 2 kit, exhaust etc on; I predict that it will be a different kettle of fish and will alter our perceptions of the 'poverty spec' engine....
- Sound / 'feel'
- Throttle response
- "Jerk" (the instantaneous kick-in-the-back you get from a high rate-of-change of torque) and sustained physical shove
- Economy
- Purchase cost
Typically smaller, boosted engines major on the last two, and more recently have been closing ground on the middle one. But they still cannot touch big-capacity nat-asp engines on the first two. So it's a score-draw, and depends whether your priorities are a car that ignites the nerve-endings in your soul** or one you can brag about in the pub and crow over the "scalps" you've taken...
* This isn't a track car, let's be very honest here.
** Says the man about to sacrifice one of the finest recent I-4 VTEC engines for a turbo-4 replacement, on the basis of #4 and #5!
Of course I'm sure 90% of PHers wring the neck of their chosen steed everyday through the suburban crawl, and gather up armfuls of oppo around every bend before unleashing the V8 beast.
Personally I would choose the V8 for the sound and the instant throttle response (which I mentioned) over the ecoboost, but the reality for our small island is tha on a day to day basis I'd suggest the ecoboost would be the better choice.
Not the choice made by your heart, but made by your head.
So yes, I'd prefer the V8 but I'd want to drive th m back to back to see if it suits my daily driving routes.
And, as I always say, it's a good job we don't all like the same things!!!!
brrapp said:
Alcohol free lager?
Sugar free sweets?
4 pot Mustang?
They all have their place but they're not the 'real thing'.
I'd only buy an American car for the V8 experience, if you're only looking at performance and practicality there are plenty of Japanese and European cars that outperform this .
What's next? an electric Harley?
& that sums it up quite nicely for me!. Sugar free sweets?
4 pot Mustang?
They all have their place but they're not the 'real thing'.
I'd only buy an American car for the V8 experience, if you're only looking at performance and practicality there are plenty of Japanese and European cars that outperform this .
What's next? an electric Harley?
Edited by brrapp on Thursday 15th September 14:22
rtz62 said:
havoc said:
rtz62 said:
On a serious note, I get what you say about wanting the V8 over the ecoboost, but is that because we are brainwashed into it.
The reality is that, other than noise, and perhaps a little bit of immediate throttle response, the Revo car does the job admirably, and it will be interesting when Dan tries a RHD version with a Stage 2 kit, exhaust etc on; I predict that it will be a different kettle of fish and will alter our perceptions of the 'poverty spec' engine....
Both cars are already plenty quick enough for UK road driving*, including occasional derestricted Autobahn-storming. So for a modern performance car buyer the differentiators are:-The reality is that, other than noise, and perhaps a little bit of immediate throttle response, the Revo car does the job admirably, and it will be interesting when Dan tries a RHD version with a Stage 2 kit, exhaust etc on; I predict that it will be a different kettle of fish and will alter our perceptions of the 'poverty spec' engine....
- Sound / 'feel'
- Throttle response
- "Jerk" (the instantaneous kick-in-the-back you get from a high rate-of-change of torque) and sustained physical shove
- Economy
- Purchase cost
Typically smaller, boosted engines major on the last two, and more recently have been closing ground on the middle one. But they still cannot touch big-capacity nat-asp engines on the first two. So it's a score-draw, and depends whether your priorities are a car that ignites the nerve-endings in your soul** or one you can brag about in the pub and crow over the "scalps" you've taken...
* This isn't a track car, let's be very honest here.
** Says the man about to sacrifice one of the finest recent I-4 VTEC engines for a turbo-4 replacement, on the basis of #4 and #5!
Of course I'm sure 90% of PHers wring the neck of their chosen steed everyday through the suburban crawl, and gather up armfuls of oppo around every bend before unleashing the V8 beast.
Personally I would choose the V8 for the sound and the instant throttle response (which I mentioned) over the ecoboost, but the reality for our small island is tha on a day to day basis I'd suggest the ecoboost would be the better choice.
Not the choice made by your heart, but made by your head.
So yes, I'd prefer the V8 but I'd want to drive th m back to back to see if it suits my daily driving routes.
And, as I always say, it's a good job we don't all like the same things!!!!
brrapp said:
Alcohol free lager?
Sugar free sweets?
4 pot Mustang?
They all have their place but they're not the 'real thing'.
I'd only buy an American car for the V8 experience, if you're only looking at performance and practicality there are plenty of Japanese and European cars that outperform this .
What's next? an electric Harley?
They've been selling Mustangs with 4 and 6 pot motors since the first model rolled of the production line.Sugar free sweets?
4 pot Mustang?
They all have their place but they're not the 'real thing'.
I'd only buy an American car for the V8 experience, if you're only looking at performance and practicality there are plenty of Japanese and European cars that outperform this .
What's next? an electric Harley?
Edited by brrapp on Thursday 15th September 14:22
brrapp said:
Alcohol free lager?
Sugar free sweets?
4 pot Mustang?
They all have their place but they're not the 'real thing'.
I'd only buy an American car for the V8 experience, if you're only looking at performance and practicality there are plenty of Japanese and European cars that outperform this .
What's next? an electric Harley?
Already done: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=electric+harley&...Sugar free sweets?
4 pot Mustang?
They all have their place but they're not the 'real thing'.
I'd only buy an American car for the V8 experience, if you're only looking at performance and practicality there are plenty of Japanese and European cars that outperform this .
What's next? an electric Harley?
Edited by brrapp on Thursday 15th September 14:22
SturdyHSV said:
Dr Interceptor said:
If an ugly hooker was £200, and a gorgeous one was £220, would you really save the £20?
Ah, but for £20 you could have 6 pints at the Revo Bar and think the ugly one was gorgeous 
Seriously though if I had to buy an S550 I'd be looking at a V8 and that's it. If others prefer a 4-pot that's ok that's their choice, as far as I'm concerned aural pleasure is a very important part of enjoying cars like these
big_rob_sydney said:
Downside for me is the size of it.
It's PRECISELY (give or take an inch) the same length and width as MK4 Mondeo estate. So not exactly a behemoth.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
What is not mentioned is whether the Revo Technik tuning upgrade invalidates the Ford warranty.
It almost certainly will.ELUSIVEJIM said:
If not hopefully Mountune will release their own upgrade which will be backed by Ford.
Don't hold your breath for that.Ford are in the throes of releasing a "power pack" for the EB over in the States (a remap, essentially); enquiries directly to various official Ford UK Mustang people have resulted in "thanks for the enquiry, we're looking into it". (The actual tone of the email came across more as "not a chance in hell").
Now that wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that Ford do an official power pack for the new Focus RS. With the same engine.
Basically, if you own an S550 over here in the UK, EB OR GT, Ford are bloody useless. From initial purchase, through the loooong waiting time, all the way to aftersales.
More than one person has had to wait months for parts as they're just non-existant over here.
If you REEEEEEEALLY want this Mustang, go ahead. If not, buy something else as the ballache and treatment by Ford and their dealers just won't be worth it.
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