RE: Revo's Mustang 'Ecobeast': PH Videoblog
Discussion
snuffy said:
macky17 said:
Is it bigger than a GTR? People don't seem to complain about the size of that. Let's face it, even with a trick suspension the stang is never going to be an agile, nimble sports car so why worry about the size? A big, fast car has its own charm.
V8 please.
I'd say about the same size as a GTR. When you say people don't complain about the GTR size, do you mean they don't complain that it's a big car ?V8 please.
pimpchez said:
I just don't get the point of people buying these to be ECOnomical.This engine is an evolution of the MPS engine , with VVT added to the exhaust cam ,twin scroll turbo and thicker conrods iirc.In a mps i was averaging 21.5mpg on a mix of urban and fast b roads ,with that car weighing circa 1450kg.By my math a mustang at 1700kg ish with a slightly more economical engine isn't going to better that . The V8 is going to be 3-5mpg worse still ,no one dropping 35k financing a car is poor in my book so why look at the 2.3l at all?
VED is £230 vs £515Insurance may be a bit cheaper
People buy on official economy figures
Its 4 grand cheaper to buy
Looks identical to the V8
A lot of people buy 140 bhp diesels quite happily and think they are super rapid, 310 bhp petrol will do the job, a lot dont actually know what turbo or V8 really means.
Not sure how many will be company cars, probably no V8s and most of any ecoboosts ? but the Benefit in kind is a bit less and the P11D value is less, Ecoboost buyers will either be company or those buyers that like the style and are not bothered about engine sound, or cant quite stretch to it but would like one anyway.
I would get a V8 or not bother but my wife really fancies one and would probably be quite happy with an Ecoboost but she has said in the past she likes the noise, so maybe even non petrolheads like a bit of a V8 soundtrack.
Its an option, some will take, most are going V8 it seems.
pimpchez said:
I just don't get the point of people buying these to be ECOnomical.This engine is an evolution of the MPS engine , with VVT added to the exhaust cam ,twin scroll turbo and thicker conrods iirc.In a mps i was averaging 21.5mpg on a mix of urban and fast b roads ,with that car weighing circa 1450kg.By my math a mustang at 1700kg ish with a slightly more economical engine isn't going to better that . The V8 is going to be 3-5mpg worse still ,no one dropping 35k financing a car is poor in my book so why look at the 2.3l at all?
My V8 managed 28.5MPG on a 2600 mile eurotrip recently and the Ecoboost will do at least another 7+ on top of that.As mentioned, tax is cheaper, probably insurance too.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Its no bigger than a BMW 6 series, and im struggling to think of the last time someone used that as negative point in a BMW review.
Its a GT cruiser/bruiser, not a balls-out sportscar. Ive yet to have one experience where Ive thought to myself 'oh no, my car is just too big for this situation, whatever will I do'.
Yes but the 6 series is a big car and not a Mustang Rival. At that price point it is competing with smaller cars.Its a GT cruiser/bruiser, not a balls-out sportscar. Ive yet to have one experience where Ive thought to myself 'oh no, my car is just too big for this situation, whatever will I do'.
Saying something isn't that big because it's no bigger than another big car makes no sense.
snuffy said:
crosseyedlion said:
If a 4pot turbo can be made to perform as well, be cheaper to run, handle better, stop better, still sound ok (but in a different way) for less money then so be it.
I've owned 4-pot turbos and V8 versions of the same car (Lotus Esprits in my case), and the V8 is the big boy's version. Yes, the 4 cylinder Turbo was great, until I had the V8 (okay, the V8 was also turboed on the Esprit, so I might not be comparing eggs with eggs I'll admit).The whole US muscle car legend is based around a V8 under the hood, the mustang is an icon and a big part of that legend and if the car is missing its v8 then it's missing some of that magic, it's still a good car sure but it's missing a part of what makes it what it is
snuffy said:
LuS1fer said:
I don't know the figures but, in my experience, it will be easier to insure a standard V8 than a modified car and I imagine you will pay at least as much, if not more, for the 4 banger with mods.
An excellent point.Case in point is my second car out of three, a bm two seater. Came to renewal and someone told me a trick, that modifying your car opens it up to other insurers who may be cheaper. Best renewal I could find was £280.
I was very sceptical about this but thought worth a try. So I started doing quotes as modified with a KN57i induction kit fitted as that was a cheap and easy mod i could do. The prices came back and I was stunned...£210 was now the cheapest. So I bought the 57i kit new from ebay for £68, fitted it myself, took insurance as £210 and had immediate payback.
Car 1 is a Diesel Sport Estate...I pay more for that per year insurance that I do for car 3. Car 3 was 200bhp standard and is now 400bhp fully forged engine, brakes and chassis set for track, I have to send two full pages of A4 of modifications from standard!! Cage, seats harness, semi slicks and so on...yet car 3 cheaper than car 1.
Funny thing is insurance but it's taught me never to assume!
Devil2575 said:
Yes but the 6 series is a big car and not a Mustang Rival. At that price point it is competing with smaller cars.
Saying something isn't that big because it's no bigger than another big car makes no sense.
The point is people always seem to bring up it's size, yet you never hear the same complaint levelled at cars of a similar size.Saying something isn't that big because it's no bigger than another big car makes no sense.
Price point is neither here nor there. There is no true rival for the Mustang as you either want one or you don't.
All the things that make this what it is, are not available on other cars in one package.
Name another RWD, manual, V8, with HUGE aftermarket parts availability and tuning potential, all for a smidge under £40K (as they are now. I paid circa £35K).
kapiteinlangzaam said:
It absolutely competes with the 6 series. Not on new price, granted. But a 2-3yr old 640/650i Vs a new Mustang V8 is a very valid comparison. Same brief, same layout, same sort of experience.
Out of interest, which smaller cars do you think its competing with?
Ah yes, the potential 6 series buyer who decides to buy a Ford instead...Out of interest, which smaller cars do you think its competing with?
I think the vast majority of BMW buyer, Audi buyers and any other premium nrand buyers for that matter do so in no small part because of brand.
If it competes with anything it does so with cars in a similar price bracket. If anything it's an alternative to the new wave of expensive Hot hatches. It isn't a premium car and it isn't hoing to worry the Germans one bit.
I'm not saying that no potential BMW, Merc or Audi owners will choose a Mustang but I'd put money on the vast majority not.
Just my opinion but if the UK Mustang lasts I'd be amazed.
Centurion07 said:
The point is people always seem to bring up it's size, yet you never hear the same complaint levelled at cars of a similar size.
Price point is neither here nor there. There is no true rival for the Mustang as you either want one or you don't.
All the things that make this what it is, are not available on other cars in one package.
Name another RWD, manual, V8, with HUGE aftermarket parts availability and tuning potential, all for a smidge under £40K (as they are now. I paid circa £35K).
Just like the Vauxhall Monaro? Price point is neither here nor there. There is no true rival for the Mustang as you either want one or you don't.
All the things that make this what it is, are not available on other cars in one package.
Name another RWD, manual, V8, with HUGE aftermarket parts availability and tuning potential, all for a smidge under £40K (as they are now. I paid circa £35K).
I like the Mustang, a mate who lived in Florida for years ran a Supercharged V8 of the last incarnation, but it isn't going to be a big seller.
Devil2575 said:
Ah yes, the potential 6 series buyer who decides to buy a Ford instead...
Hah hah - well here's one ! I bought a 2012 Mustang GT instead of (one of) my other choice - a 6 series. Ended up with a much newer car. Lots of V8 lovliness. A manual 6spd. But of course it's too wide, too plasticky, and can't go round corners.Well here I am with BMW numbers 4 and 5, and if I could afford one the only new car currently available that I would buy would be a manual V8 Mustang!
BMW no longer make a naturally aspirated straight 6, and worse still no quick ones without flappy-paddles so it's all boost, remap, blah, blah, blah......so then we get to the Revo EcoB*llocks Stang!
If I wanted a tweaked RS Focus this might be a great idea, but a Mustang has always been a muscle car so no 4-pot is going to work - I'd only want a V8!
And it isn't like there are no performance enhancing options for the V8...........!
If you want a quick Fiat 500 you don't start with a Twin-air, you start with an Abarth - don't you?
BMW no longer make a naturally aspirated straight 6, and worse still no quick ones without flappy-paddles so it's all boost, remap, blah, blah, blah......so then we get to the Revo EcoB*llocks Stang!
If I wanted a tweaked RS Focus this might be a great idea, but a Mustang has always been a muscle car so no 4-pot is going to work - I'd only want a V8!
And it isn't like there are no performance enhancing options for the V8...........!
If you want a quick Fiat 500 you don't start with a Twin-air, you start with an Abarth - don't you?
AndySheff said:
Devil2575 said:
Ah yes, the potential 6 series buyer who decides to buy a Ford instead...
Hah hah - well here's one ! I bought a 2012 Mustang GT instead of (one of) my other choice - a 6 series. Ended up with a much newer car. Lots of V8 lovliness. A manual 6spd. But of course it's too wide, too plasticky, and can't go round corners.I played my wife clips of the V8 and Ecoboost sounds and strangely she said she preferred the first one, which was the Ecoboost, the second, the V8 sounded fake !
Admittedly it was on a poxy laptop speak and she said the sound of a Mustang should make you go weak at the knees and neither did, guess you need to hear them in person.
Admittedly it was on a poxy laptop speak and she said the sound of a Mustang should make you go weak at the knees and neither did, guess you need to hear them in person.
macky17 said:
AndySheff said:
Devil2575 said:
Ah yes, the potential 6 series buyer who decides to buy a Ford instead...
Hah hah - well here's one ! I bought a 2012 Mustang GT instead of (one of) my other choice - a 6 series. Ended up with a much newer car. Lots of V8 lovliness. A manual 6spd. But of course it's too wide, too plasticky, and can't go round corners.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff