RE: Revo's Mustang 'Ecobeast': PH Videoblog
Discussion
J4CKO said:
I played my wife clips of the V8 and Ecoboost sounds and strangely she said she preferred the first one, which was the Ecoboost, the second, the V8 sounded fake !
Admittedly it was on a poxy laptop speak and she said the sound of a Mustang should make you go weak at the knees and neither did, guess you need to hear them in person.
The sound of stock V8 isn't going to make you go weak at the knees as the noise regs won't allow it......plenty of options to address that issue though Admittedly it was on a poxy laptop speak and she said the sound of a Mustang should make you go weak at the knees and neither did, guess you need to hear them in person.
aeropilot said:
J4CKO said:
I played my wife clips of the V8 and Ecoboost sounds and strangely she said she preferred the first one, which was the Ecoboost, the second, the V8 sounded fake !
Admittedly it was on a poxy laptop speak and she said the sound of a Mustang should make you go weak at the knees and neither did, guess you need to hear them in person.
The sound of stock V8 isn't going to make you go weak at the knees as the noise regs won't allow it......plenty of options to address that issue though Admittedly it was on a poxy laptop speak and she said the sound of a Mustang should make you go weak at the knees and neither did, guess you need to hear them in person.
Devil2575 said:
macky17 said:
AndySheff said:
Devil2575 said:
Ah yes, the potential 6 series buyer who decides to buy a Ford instead...
Hah hah - well here's one ! I bought a 2012 Mustang GT instead of (one of) my other choice - a 6 series. Ended up with a much newer car. Lots of V8 lovliness. A manual 6spd. But of course it's too wide, too plasticky, and can't go round corners.I submit, however, that the Mustang is more likely to be bought by a petrolhead than a non-petrolhead - therefore 'we' are likely to have more influence on Mustang sales than, for example, sales of a 6-series.
Devil2575 said:
Just like the Vauxhall Monaro?
I like the Mustang, a mate who lived in Florida for years ran a Supercharged V8 of the last incarnation, but it isn't going to be a big seller.
Are they still available?I like the Mustang, a mate who lived in Florida for years ran a Supercharged V8 of the last incarnation, but it isn't going to be a big seller.
Even if they are, mention that name to a non-petrolhead and watch the look of complete disinterest spread across their face. EVERYONE has heard of a Mustang.
To date, there have been a smidge over 2000 new Mustangs (70% V8's) registered in the first year. I genuinely have no idea on Ford's targets but I would say for a 5 litre V8, that's pretty good going.
Personally I hope they don't sell too many more. I like the relative rarity.
Centurion07 said:
Devil2575 said:
Just like the Vauxhall Monaro?
I like the Mustang, a mate who lived in Florida for years ran a Supercharged V8 of the last incarnation, but it isn't going to be a big seller.
Are they still available?I like the Mustang, a mate who lived in Florida for years ran a Supercharged V8 of the last incarnation, but it isn't going to be a big seller.
Even if they are, mention that name to a non-petrolhead and watch the look of complete disinterest spread across their face. EVERYONE has heard of a Mustang.
To date, there have been a smidge over 2000 new Mustangs (70% V8's) registered in the first year. I genuinely have no idea on Ford's targets but I would say for a 5 litre V8, that's pretty good going.
Personally I hope they don't sell too many more. I like the relative rarity.
Rarity is great but ultimately it means that it won't last. Ford need to shift enough to justify selling them in the UK. If they don't it will be dropped.
The Ecoboost engine is really impressive, but putting it in a full-size Mustang doesn't really seem to me to be the best place for it. As mentioned in the video it's a BIG car. Also, it's the kind of car that is mostly known for its V8, bought for its V8... not so much for the way it looks, although that is a part of it of course. What I think would be more interesting is if Ford were to keep in line with Mustang heritage of the 5.0 V8, optimising the power and economy, evolving the concept. Then, resurrect another smaller RWD 2-door coupe model like the Capri or Pinto, make that the showcase for the four and 5 pot motors.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
swerni said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Devil2575 said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
It absolutely competes with the 6 series. Not on new price, granted. But a 2-3yr old 640/650i Vs a new Mustang V8 is a very valid comparison. Same brief, same layout, same sort of experience.
Out of interest, which smaller cars do you think its competing with?
Ah yes, the potential 6 series buyer who decides to buy a Ford instead...Out of interest, which smaller cars do you think its competing with?
I think the vast majority of BMW buyer, Audi buyers and any other premium nrand buyers for that matter do so in no small part because of brand.
If it competes with anything it does so with cars in a similar price bracket. If anything it's an alternative to the new wave of expensive Hot hatches. It isn't a premium car and it isn't hoing to worry the Germans one bit.
I'm not saying that no potential BMW, Merc or Audi owners will choose a Mustang but I'd put money on the vast majority not.
Just my opinion but if the UK Mustang lasts I'd be amazed.
But, hey what we do we know... we only bought one!I've never even owned a BMW before.
DrSteveBrule said:
underphil said:
if you think a 4 cylinder turbo > V8, I think it is you that has been brainwashed !!
Our 4 cylinder turbo Jetta (200bhp) was faster than our V8 S8 (360bhp).The Audi had a higher top end but the Jetta was quicker everywhere else.
Are you confusing felt quicker, made more noise or actually quicker, of course an S8 is heavier but a 200 bhp FWD isnt actually going to be quicker really is it.
What we need now is a new capri, needs to look like the mustang but be about the size and weight of a gt86 and then it can use this ecoboost engine. (Personally I think a 4 cylinder turbo mustang is ok. The original was v8 as it was the cheapest way of going fast with the technology of the day, but now it's cheaper to make a fast car with a down sized turbo engine so you could argue its still in the spirit of making a cheap fast coupe.
mikey P 500 said:
What we need now is a new capri, needs to look like the mustang but be about the size and weight of a gt86 and then it can use this ecoboost engine. (Personally I think a 4 cylinder turbo mustang is ok. The original was v8 as it was the cheapest way of going fast with the technology of the day, but now it's cheaper to make a fast car with a down sized turbo engine so you could argue its still in the spirit of making a cheap fast coupe.
I didn't really understand why they ever marketed the Mustang, a solid-gold American icon, in the UK. it would have been far better if they had simply changed all the exterior panels to look like a Capri and called it a Capri.That way, they could have had both petrol engines (Capri 2.3S and Capri 5.0RS) and Ford could also have easily fitted some diesels without any great outcry from the purists.
The increased diesel sales would have paid for the restyle into a Capri.
Devil2575 said:
Centurion07 said:
Devil2575 said:
Just like the Vauxhall Monaro?
I like the Mustang, a mate who lived in Florida for years ran a Supercharged V8 of the last incarnation, but it isn't going to be a big seller.
Are they still available?I like the Mustang, a mate who lived in Florida for years ran a Supercharged V8 of the last incarnation, but it isn't going to be a big seller.
Even if they are, mention that name to a non-petrolhead and watch the look of complete disinterest spread across their face. EVERYONE has heard of a Mustang.
To date, there have been a smidge over 2000 new Mustangs (70% V8's) registered in the first year. I genuinely have no idea on Ford's targets but I would say for a 5 litre V8, that's pretty good going.
Personally I hope they don't sell too many more. I like the relative rarity.
With over 2000 registered in the first year and the number I've seen on the road (Mustang meets excluded of course!) I would say that's probably already in excess of the Monaro.
ISWYS and I do agree that the number of non-petrolhead buyers is unlikely to be enough to make or break the Mustang as a viable RHD proposition for Ford. Especially given their current shocking customer "service" as regards the Mustang.
That said, it's doing pretty well down under but then they have a bit more of penchant for V8's than we do, but since they're RHD as well, it all helps.
LuS1fer said:
mikey P 500 said:
What we need now is a new capri, needs to look like the mustang but be about the size and weight of a gt86 and then it can use this ecoboost engine. (Personally I think a 4 cylinder turbo mustang is ok. The original was v8 as it was the cheapest way of going fast with the technology of the day, but now it's cheaper to make a fast car with a down sized turbo engine so you could argue its still in the spirit of making a cheap fast coupe.
I didn't really understand why they ever marketed the Mustang, a solid-gold American icon, in the UK. it would have been far better if they had simply changed all the exterior panels to look like a Capri and called it a Capri.That way, they could have had both petrol engines (Capri 2.3S and Capri 5.0RS) and Ford could also have easily fitted some diesels without any great outcry from the purists.
The increased diesel sales would have paid for the restyle into a Capri.
Theirs a reason people are picking the Ford Mustang over BMW's and TT's and it's not just the V8 engine it's the fact it's a legendary car available for the first time in the UK. It's got a gold plated image over here you only need to say the name "mustang" and people even non car people know what it is and that was before they even sold them here
That kind of heritage and brand is priceless , there's no way it would sell better with a different body, name and bunch of 150hp diesels chucked in more like the complete opposite.
LuS1fer said:
I didn't really understand why they ever marketed the Mustang, a solid-gold American icon, in the UK. it would have been far better if they had simply changed all the exterior panels to look like a Capri and called it a Capri.
That way, they could have had both petrol engines (Capri 2.3S and Capri 5.0RS) and Ford could also have easily fitted some diesels without any great outcry from the purists.
The increased diesel sales would have paid for the restyle into a Capri.
Who cares about a Ford Capri when you've got the option of a Mustang, but yes, a diesel in a Mustang would have brought about the apocalypse I think.That way, they could have had both petrol engines (Capri 2.3S and Capri 5.0RS) and Ford could also have easily fitted some diesels without any great outcry from the purists.
The increased diesel sales would have paid for the restyle into a Capri.
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