650S Le Mans vs 675 LT
Discussion
I've been musing recently, from a purely philosophical POV (as I haven't the cash to buy either) about which would be the better purchase.
650S Le Mans - Normal 650S powertrain but with lots of lovely extra bits like carbon everywhere, special (gorgeous) wheels, roof scoop, wing vents etc, only 50 made.
c.£270,000
675LT - 666bhp, hugely changed car in reality, absolutely epic thing, but..... 500 made (1000 if you include the Spiders)
c. £350,000
Which one would be the better investment as a car to keep and drive as intended for say, 5 years?
I'm tempted to say Le Mans due to the rarity and lower starting cost.
650S Le Mans - Normal 650S powertrain but with lots of lovely extra bits like carbon everywhere, special (gorgeous) wheels, roof scoop, wing vents etc, only 50 made.
c.£270,000
675LT - 666bhp, hugely changed car in reality, absolutely epic thing, but..... 500 made (1000 if you include the Spiders)
c. £350,000
Which one would be the better investment as a car to keep and drive as intended for say, 5 years?
I'm tempted to say Le Mans due to the rarity and lower starting cost.
With current LT asking prices and numbers I would agree with ;
"I'm tempted to say Le Mans due to the rarity and lower starting cost."
I also think the longer you keep it 10 years + the lowewr production volume of only 50 will become an increasing factor.
With current demand a 1,000 ( spider and coupes ) LT's is not exactly limited when there are only 2,500 650S in the first place.
No denying the LT is an awesome car but its not exactly rare. Current premiums just like 458 Speciale are way to heavy in my humble opinion no matter how good the car is.
The Le Mans seems to have been overlooked slightly IMHO and has not had anything like the same amount of hype ramping up its price.
Hey but what do I know - off to the Ferrari V8 section now for a bit more sport
"I'm tempted to say Le Mans due to the rarity and lower starting cost."
I also think the longer you keep it 10 years + the lowewr production volume of only 50 will become an increasing factor.
With current demand a 1,000 ( spider and coupes ) LT's is not exactly limited when there are only 2,500 650S in the first place.
No denying the LT is an awesome car but its not exactly rare. Current premiums just like 458 Speciale are way to heavy in my humble opinion no matter how good the car is.
The Le Mans seems to have been overlooked slightly IMHO and has not had anything like the same amount of hype ramping up its price.
Hey but what do I know - off to the Ferrari V8 section now for a bit more sport
I think the LeMans will lose more value due to driving/adding mileage than the 675.
The 675 is the first "normal" production lightweight/special version McLaren made, so might be held in pretty high regard in 10 years - although I don't think that you will make money on either one starting from today's levels
The 675 is the first "normal" production lightweight/special version McLaren made, so might be held in pretty high regard in 10 years - although I don't think that you will make money on either one starting from today's levels
All interesting points.
As I said, this is pure speculation but I'd say that in 10yrs they may well be worth the same amount, but you'd have started £90k lower with the Le Mans.
Agree with Rambo, the LM certainly got overshadowed by the LT and for good reason, they really are another level above the 650S. But I think the LM will be a gem in the future.
As I said, this is pure speculation but I'd say that in 10yrs they may well be worth the same amount, but you'd have started £90k lower with the Le Mans.
Agree with Rambo, the LM certainly got overshadowed by the LT and for good reason, they really are another level above the 650S. But I think the LM will be a gem in the future.
LM is a great car but was too expensive for what it was, massively more expensive than the 650S, as far as I know they weren't discounted while at the same time you could buy a brand new, high spec 650S for £175k. In years to come, I'm sure that it will be THE 650 to have, but it will never hold a torch to the highly acclaimed 675 which is a totally different car.
Collectability is all about numbers and rarity.
No disputing the 675LT is the better car but the Le Mans is a nice spec tribute and with only 50 made it will be like rocking horse 5h1t in years to come. If you were not buying to drive and only store as an investment I still think the le Mans would be the better car to buy now.
If only I could buy a Le Mans coupe to store and a 675LT spider to drive and report back in 10 years
No disputing the 675LT is the better car but the Le Mans is a nice spec tribute and with only 50 made it will be like rocking horse 5h1t in years to come. If you were not buying to drive and only store as an investment I still think the le Mans would be the better car to buy now.
If only I could buy a Le Mans coupe to store and a 675LT spider to drive and report back in 10 years
I'm not convinced that any of the Mclaren 12c+ range will be properly desirable to collectors in the future, I'd avoid paying a premium on the Le Mans (even though it does look stunning) and go for the 675LT which has the 'LT' gimmick on its side at least.
Edited by WCZ on Thursday 22 September 11:59
Beefmeister said:
As I said, this is pure speculation but I'd say that in 10yrs they may well be worth the same amount, but you'd have started £90k lower with the Le Mans.
Is any of this stuff going to be worth more than bugger all a few years down the line?Clearly stuff like the F1 (and maybe P1, LaF, 918) will retain and increase in value (given fluctuations here and there) ... but will all the 200k-400k stuff really have long term value? I would bet not. The problem is there's just too much of it. Look at all the 458's, 488's, F12, 12c's, 650's LT's, 650 Le Mans / Carbon / Spider, HS - that's thousands and thousands of cars - they can't all hold 400k+values, surely?
In 10 years time will anyone give a flying f
k about the difference between a 650 Le Mans and an MSO HS or an LT Spider? The fact now there are only 25 HS's might make them seem special and demand a premium - but the relatively small differences between all the variants in the future will seem massively diminished.The current crop of utterly stunning fast and technological cars are great - but they are products of their time and what is supercar stuff now will look mediocre in 10 years. There is real charm and challenge in a normally aspirated manual gearbox car - a GT3 an RS a CGT - and those cars may have long term value - but when a car is only good because of its' technology, and when technology gets obsoleted insanely fast - they will look like the Commodore 64 does to someone with an iPhone. Where technology is the differentiator ... it will be obsolete any day now.
We are in a golden age of ludicrously fast and incredibly competent and easy to drive supercars - they are just fantastic.
Supercars have been edging up in BHP from 300 to 400 to 500 to 600 and now over 700 is not a problem. If you like BHP you can get a Veyron or a 918, P1, LaF, even an F12, etc. Again though what are you chasing - it's now easy, given the development of turbo's trivially making big power, to have as much as you want and certainly more than you need. I'm addicted too.
I just don't see the long term prospects for these types of cars.
Edited by Joe911 on Friday 30th September 15:49
Joe911 said:
We are in a golden age of ludicrously fast and incredibly competent and easy to drive supercars - they are just fantastic.
Supercars have been edging up in BHP from 300 to 400 to 500 to 600 and now over 700 is not a problem. If you like BHP you can get a Veyron or a 918, P1, LaF, even an F12, etc. Again though what are you chasing - it's now easy, given the development of turbo's trivially making big power, to have as much as you want and certainly more than you need. I'm addicted too.
I just don't see the long term prospects for these types of cars.
I do not agree, well built and beautiful cars, interesting to drive and to own and not built in huge numbers...why should do not be valuable long term? In 20 years time an ICE could feel exotic as a manual shifter in a today sports car. Supercars have been edging up in BHP from 300 to 400 to 500 to 600 and now over 700 is not a problem. If you like BHP you can get a Veyron or a 918, P1, LaF, even an F12, etc. Again though what are you chasing - it's now easy, given the development of turbo's trivially making big power, to have as much as you want and certainly more than you need. I'm addicted too.
I just don't see the long term prospects for these types of cars.
Edited by Joe911 on Friday 30th September 15:49
675LT will never be a classic in the same way that a Mk5 golf R32, albeit a brilliant car, will never be a classic like a mk2 gti will.
And it will be pointless in the future. The next batch of supercars will have the same tech as hypercars do now, electric motors on each wheel + a big turbo engine. Hell in a few years I bet a Porsche Boxster will!
But it will be worth more than any kind of 650S in the same way that any 650S is worth more than a 12C now.
If you want an investment you need to buy a rare, manual car, like a manual 599 or dare I say it a manual R8 v10 even. I can see older people buying an R8 v10 manual over a manual Gallardo for example because of the comfort.
And it will be pointless in the future. The next batch of supercars will have the same tech as hypercars do now, electric motors on each wheel + a big turbo engine. Hell in a few years I bet a Porsche Boxster will!
But it will be worth more than any kind of 650S in the same way that any 650S is worth more than a 12C now.
If you want an investment you need to buy a rare, manual car, like a manual 599 or dare I say it a manual R8 v10 even. I can see older people buying an R8 v10 manual over a manual Gallardo for example because of the comfort.
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