RE: Facelifted GT86 specs and prices
Discussion
liner33 said:
Here is a stock and remapped GT86, check out the torque dip of course if you drive around at 5000+rpm all the time you can avoid it, but these busy roads that 86 owners keep going on about dont really lend themselves to that
The torque dip is easy enough to remove with a map and manifold - here's a dyno from one that's been done:-
OwenK said:
Yes they immediately look so much better with red lamps. First mod when I buy one.
Here's some with that mod and a few other tasty bits just to demonstrate how nice the car can be made to look.
Or even leaving the indicator section clear but just making the main body of the lamp red instead of clear:
This does look good, will prob do mine, I the last one with cut outs would be the only legal option in the uk, as with the others I think the indicator, would light red not orange. Here's some with that mod and a few other tasty bits just to demonstrate how nice the car can be made to look.
Or even leaving the indicator section clear but just making the main body of the lamp red instead of clear:
liner33 said:
Yeah just chuck a grand at it and void you warranty of course
In fairness I've done some research and Toyota seem pretty good with warranty claims and modifications in the UK. They seem to be happy replacing anything that isn't directly as a result of being modified. Read one lad with a turbo kit still getting a replacement fuel pump covered by warranty. 
tommy1973s said:
It depends on whether you want to impress your mates with effortless overtaking manoeuvres or whether you want to, you know, have some fun by actually driving the tits off the thing.
On modern crowded speed-trap roads, a powerful car is frustrating and boring. Sure, you whizz past slower traffic (if, out of your teens, you still need to do that to feel good about yourself), but as for actual driving fun, forget it.
More power = less fun. There simply aren't the roads available to really thrash a powerful car on. Your typical turbo / 4WD / wide-tyred / over-powered dullard has you surging down the straights on a wall of torque that your granny could access (ooh impressive, look at my bragging-rights overtake that a monkey with a brick on the throttle could have done), before you have to back off and brake for the corners - which you go round with no sensation, no movement, no fuss, such is the ridiculous amount of grip and traction available from the tyres and 4WD. By contrast, in a RWD NA car with a positive manual box and modest power, you have to thrash it, commit to the corner and carry speed through it and use all your skill to adjust the car's line throughout.
Generally, the cries for "more power" are in inverse proportion to the driving experience of the driver.
As this reviewer puts it:
"This is a car you never have to hold back — you never have to search for a road where you can open it up because you can open it up almost anywhere. The BRZ is fun at 60 and 70 mph the way a supercar is approaching 150." See:
http://jalopnik.com/what-nobody-understands-about-...
Or as this bloke puts it:
“Driving a slow car fast is more fun than driving a fast car slow,”; it’s a tired old saw, but not without merit. I’d change it to, “driving a fun car fast is more fun than driving a fast car fast.” Whether or not a car is enjoyable to drive is almost entirely divorced from its performance prowess.
The MX-5 takes a lot of stick for being a “girly” car. It projects none of the be-louvered aggression of other sports-cars, and certainly doesn’t produce anywhere near the numbers.
But it’s not a car that’s about bragging rights, not a car for peacock strutting or posturing. It is, in short, not a car you drive for other people. It’s a car you drive for yourself. And that’s what makes for a truly great machine, no matter what the numbers might say."
See: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/05/the-unimp...
Any insecure fool, high on his own puffed-up social importance, can bulldoze past slower cars using his 300+ bhp difference; and most fools do. Hurray for you, we're all impressed (not).
In the real world, away from tracks, more power = less fun, folks. You'll understand when you grow up.
More extreme binary thinking. Not sure who is insecure and need to grow up here.On modern crowded speed-trap roads, a powerful car is frustrating and boring. Sure, you whizz past slower traffic (if, out of your teens, you still need to do that to feel good about yourself), but as for actual driving fun, forget it.
More power = less fun. There simply aren't the roads available to really thrash a powerful car on. Your typical turbo / 4WD / wide-tyred / over-powered dullard has you surging down the straights on a wall of torque that your granny could access (ooh impressive, look at my bragging-rights overtake that a monkey with a brick on the throttle could have done), before you have to back off and brake for the corners - which you go round with no sensation, no movement, no fuss, such is the ridiculous amount of grip and traction available from the tyres and 4WD. By contrast, in a RWD NA car with a positive manual box and modest power, you have to thrash it, commit to the corner and carry speed through it and use all your skill to adjust the car's line throughout.
Generally, the cries for "more power" are in inverse proportion to the driving experience of the driver.
As this reviewer puts it:
"This is a car you never have to hold back — you never have to search for a road where you can open it up because you can open it up almost anywhere. The BRZ is fun at 60 and 70 mph the way a supercar is approaching 150." See:
http://jalopnik.com/what-nobody-understands-about-...
Or as this bloke puts it:
“Driving a slow car fast is more fun than driving a fast car slow,”; it’s a tired old saw, but not without merit. I’d change it to, “driving a fun car fast is more fun than driving a fast car fast.” Whether or not a car is enjoyable to drive is almost entirely divorced from its performance prowess.
The MX-5 takes a lot of stick for being a “girly” car. It projects none of the be-louvered aggression of other sports-cars, and certainly doesn’t produce anywhere near the numbers.
But it’s not a car that’s about bragging rights, not a car for peacock strutting or posturing. It is, in short, not a car you drive for other people. It’s a car you drive for yourself. And that’s what makes for a truly great machine, no matter what the numbers might say."
See: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/05/the-unimp...
Any insecure fool, high on his own puffed-up social importance, can bulldoze past slower cars using his 300+ bhp difference; and most fools do. Hurray for you, we're all impressed (not).
In the real world, away from tracks, more power = less fun, folks. You'll understand when you grow up.
But I agree, 200 peaky horse power are enough to have fun, even on track. But the GT86 doesn't supply that.
The idea that more power necessarily means less fun is rather bizarre.
Face-lifts like this with such minor updates are great because you realise how much you can save in the used market for basically exactly the same car. When they get to around 10k they will be a really good bargain. I thought they were expensive back when these were first launched and i still think they're too expensive now.
I just remember that i had a test drive booked but ended up cancelling it. I deffo want a proper drive in one so i might have to re-arrange another one. I do think a bit more power would be nice. Not loads and not anything FI as standard but just enough to crack under 7 seconds to 60 say.
I just remember that i had a test drive booked but ended up cancelling it. I deffo want a proper drive in one so i might have to re-arrange another one. I do think a bit more power would be nice. Not loads and not anything FI as standard but just enough to crack under 7 seconds to 60 say.
peter450 said:
If the point was to make a car that nobody buys then it's been a great success I've hardly seen any of these out on the road. The basic ingredients are al here and I'm sure they looked closely at the 200sx when making this car, perhaps a little two closely. It would not have been hard at all for them to offer this car with a supercharger pack in the options list and I've no doubt it would have sold much better.
The chorus 5 years ago was nice car but needs a bit more power I'm amazed that this has been addressed with a 5hp upgrade somewhere amoung the numerous updates done since launch.
Funny that, I see them all the time on the road.The chorus 5 years ago was nice car but needs a bit more power I'm amazed that this has been addressed with a 5hp upgrade somewhere amoung the numerous updates done since launch.
In fact, there are two close to where I live.
I'd say its been selling quite well.
rampageturke said:
LordGrover said:
A slightly clearer image:
Is a temperature gauge a luxury these days?DeaconFrost said:
The torque dip is easy enough to remove with a map and manifold - here's a dyno from one that's been done:-
Here's mine.
It felt quite odd initially as I'd become so used to driving around the dip - it became second nature and rarely if ever noticed it.
A little more oomph has made it feel faster, though not in the same league as the turbo- and supercharged GT86s I've driven. They're impressively quick, but the character of the car is changed so much it's not for me. At the moment.
Funnily enough, a local dealer near me put a 2013 model on the forecourt this weekend:
http://www.prestigecarspc.co.uk/car/toyota-gt86-3-...
Still seems pricey at £17500 for a 3 year old one though even though there is a bit of low mileage tax on it.
Looks like they bought it from the Toyota main agent that is over the road. I wonder why they traded it out rather than sell it as an approved used.
http://www.prestigecarspc.co.uk/car/toyota-gt86-3-...
Still seems pricey at £17500 for a 3 year old one though even though there is a bit of low mileage tax on it.
Looks like they bought it from the Toyota main agent that is over the road. I wonder why they traded it out rather than sell it as an approved used.
LordGrover said:
Here's mine.
It felt quite odd initially as I'd become so used to driving around the dip - it became second nature and rarely if ever noticed it.
A little more oomph has made it feel faster, though not in the same league as the turbo- and supercharged GT86s I've driven. They're impressively quick, but the character of the car is changed so much it's not for me. At the moment.
Same mods, just manifold and a map? Equal length or unequal? Looks Bob on. It felt quite odd initially as I'd become so used to driving around the dip - it became second nature and rarely if ever noticed it.
A little more oomph has made it feel faster, though not in the same league as the turbo- and supercharged GT86s I've driven. They're impressively quick, but the character of the car is changed so much it's not for me. At the moment.
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