RE: Facelifted GT86 specs and prices
Discussion
I can't wait for the prices of these to go below £10k. They are are great cars and anyone who says that they are underpowered is missing the point. I do however feel they are a little expensive and the Toyota finance deals are not great. If they could have made a poverty spec to match the £18k mx5 I think they would have sold a lot more. They do in Japan so why not over here. Maybe it's because Toyota plans to release a smaller, cheaper 2 seater to sit underneath the gt86 and upcoming supra.
court said:
Bencolem said:
Think the new 'dash design' is a little compromised - that digital display panel in the circular bezel looks a real mess
Similar in recent BMW 1er and 3ers
I see the 80's LCD calculator clock is still there, phew.
court said:
Bencolem said:
Think the new 'dash design' is a little compromised - that digital display panel in the circular bezel looks a real mess
Similar in recent BMW 1er and 3ersYou can hardly tell where the screen edges are.
Unlike the GT86 which is blatently a square screen, in a round bezle.
Frimley111R said:
Oddly I don't remember people who owned Elise's moaning about more power
Very few people who I've spoke to with GT86's have ever moaned about it not having enough power, and those that did have happily Supercharged it. The only people that really moaned are keyboard warrier diesel VAG owners, which is fine because they don't understand the joy such a car can give to it's target market. (ie, not them)
Tryke3 said:
Learn2MergeInTurn said:
Im sorry but for a car to look that sleek and sporty... And then to install a 2.0L flat 4 with no turbo and 200bhp...whats the point in owning one?
200bhp is the new 86bhp apparantly I'm not sold on the new instrument cluster, and think I prefer the minimalist approach pre facelift. Also, stateside they now have factory options for tasty suspension and Brembo brake upgrades, are these coming our way?
Good to see the GT86 continues to be the most divisive car on the internet, personally I love mine despite that fact it’ll lose pub top trumps to a Golf TDi, they truly are great to drive and despite the lacklustre book figures they are plenty fast on the right roads. The handling is easily on par with the FD RX7 I owned previously.
I watched a review of the 86 recently which it described it as "Toyota building the car everyone wanted in 1997", which is probably true, the world has moved on and small lightweight coupes are generally off most people’s radars now. However there must be enough dinosaurs like me to keep Toyota (well Subaru) building them.
Good to see the GT86 continues to be the most divisive car on the internet, personally I love mine despite that fact it’ll lose pub top trumps to a Golf TDi, they truly are great to drive and despite the lacklustre book figures they are plenty fast on the right roads. The handling is easily on par with the FD RX7 I owned previously.
I watched a review of the 86 recently which it described it as "Toyota building the car everyone wanted in 1997", which is probably true, the world has moved on and small lightweight coupes are generally off most people’s radars now. However there must be enough dinosaurs like me to keep Toyota (well Subaru) building them.
philwhite said:
I watched a review of the 86 recently which it described it as "Toyota building the car everyone wanted in 1997", which is probably true, the world has moved on and small lightweight coupes are generally off most people’s radars now. However there must be enough dinosaurs like me to keep Toyota (well Subaru) building them.
My failing is historically I've always wanted to have a quickish car, but now it's all turbo's/auto's and an obsession with mod cons I can genuinely see it for its qualities for sure. I can see me getting into one at some stage because I love Jap stuff and my S14 200sx was the most fun car ive owned, so I think the GT86 could raise some big smiles for me if I had one.
I don't understand what they're doing with this car. It's like someone high up at Toyota/Subaru has a grudge against it.
First version:
- Widely praised concept cars... followed by a production version crippled with chavvy Lexus lights and Halfords wheels
- Boxer engine for weight distribution and a more exotic powertrain.. That they manage to make feel gutless and sound pants
- Cheap affordable sportscar... That launches for about 5k more than the competition and many people are willing to pay
- Rubbish lease deals compared to the usual German competition
Then on this version:
- They still refuse to offer a more powerful version even though the casual buyers AND the enthusiast markets are both CRYING OUT for it. Even a dealer fit option. TRD used to sell you a dealer fit supercharger for your pickup truck or Scion tC for example and that's a little Civic type car for God's sake!
- They go to the effort of re-tooling for new bumpers and lights, but don't actually make them that much better.
- They add a screen in the dash but make it look utterly naff (who signed off on the styling of that?)
- They keep sticking that crap little spoiler on it instead of the pretty TRD or FiveAxis ducktails.
Luckily most of the flaws with it have been fixed by the aftermarket, but come on Toyota. I just want a more powerful one that I don't have to sacrifice my warranty for. You can still sell the NA entry level version alongside, and provide debate fodder for endless "Original 200hp GT86: purist's choice?" press articles. But when your market is telling you they love the car except for this one element, and you roll out model year update after model year update without addressing it, that's just bloody mindedness.
With a hunk more power and some decent styling you would have a genuine junior Cayman on your hands - especially as the actual Cayman is now also a four pot turbo.
Keep selling the NA version, but don't ignore the market or tell them they've misunderstood the car...
They can look lovely when dressed up with some tasteful bits.
First version:
- Widely praised concept cars... followed by a production version crippled with chavvy Lexus lights and Halfords wheels
- Boxer engine for weight distribution and a more exotic powertrain.. That they manage to make feel gutless and sound pants
- Cheap affordable sportscar... That launches for about 5k more than the competition and many people are willing to pay
- Rubbish lease deals compared to the usual German competition
Then on this version:
- They still refuse to offer a more powerful version even though the casual buyers AND the enthusiast markets are both CRYING OUT for it. Even a dealer fit option. TRD used to sell you a dealer fit supercharger for your pickup truck or Scion tC for example and that's a little Civic type car for God's sake!
- They go to the effort of re-tooling for new bumpers and lights, but don't actually make them that much better.
- They add a screen in the dash but make it look utterly naff (who signed off on the styling of that?)
- They keep sticking that crap little spoiler on it instead of the pretty TRD or FiveAxis ducktails.
Luckily most of the flaws with it have been fixed by the aftermarket, but come on Toyota. I just want a more powerful one that I don't have to sacrifice my warranty for. You can still sell the NA entry level version alongside, and provide debate fodder for endless "Original 200hp GT86: purist's choice?" press articles. But when your market is telling you they love the car except for this one element, and you roll out model year update after model year update without addressing it, that's just bloody mindedness.
With a hunk more power and some decent styling you would have a genuine junior Cayman on your hands - especially as the actual Cayman is now also a four pot turbo.
Keep selling the NA version, but don't ignore the market or tell them they've misunderstood the car...
They can look lovely when dressed up with some tasteful bits.
Edited by OwenK on Friday 16th September 16:33
OwenK said:
Luckily most of the flaws with it have been fixed by the aftermarket, but come on Toyota. I just want a more powerful one that I don't have to sacrifice my warranty for. You can still sell the NA entry level version alongside, and provide debate fodder for endless "Original 200hp GT86: purist's choice?" press articles. But when your market is telling you they love the car except for this one element, and you roll out model year update after model year update without addressing it, that's just bloody mindedness.
I've never understood this either, Toyota have stood firm that they developed the car to be tuned by third parties and weren’t going to go down the power route themselves. I get this, but what I don’t get is why they (or maybe even just a few dealers) haven’t partnered with someone like Cosworth, and offered their supercharger though the dealer network so the warranty can be preserved at least.LordGrover said:
A slightly clearer image:
That looks like something you buy as an aftermarket part and fit yourself. The black edges round it are just awful and reeks of cheapness.The floating head unit in the dash looks a bit odd as well although I cant put my finger on it. I think its the alcantara type stuff around it thats the issue.
Still I really must go to my local dealer to have a look at one of these things.
Edited by KTF on Friday 16th September 16:54
philwhite said:
OwenK said:
Luckily most of the flaws with it have been fixed by the aftermarket, but come on Toyota. I just want a more powerful one that I don't have to sacrifice my warranty for. You can still sell the NA entry level version alongside, and provide debate fodder for endless "Original 200hp GT86: purist's choice?" press articles. But when your market is telling you they love the car except for this one element, and you roll out model year update after model year update without addressing it, that's just bloody mindedness.
I've never understood this either, Toyota have stood firm that they developed the car to be tuned by third parties and weren’t going to go down the power route themselves. I get this, but what I don’t get is why they (or maybe even just a few dealers) haven’t partnered with someone like Cosworth, and offered their supercharger though the dealer network so the warranty can be preserved at least.PomBstard said:
Learn2MergeInTurn said:
Im sorry but for a car to look that sleek and sporty... And then to install a 2.0L flat 4 with no turbo and 200bhp...whats the point in owning one?
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