Cars That Are Ageing Badly

[JTSmith]

OneTun said:

I always thought the Signium was pretty cool! If i remember it was a 'hatchbackk estate' before Audi came out with the A3 Avant

[JTSmith]

• Signum

[graham22]

sleepera6 said:

Not really..

Guess they look dated because the design goes back 12 years (13 years for the Mk2 3 door albeit with split grill).


I had a problem looking to buy a £20k late S3 as it had the same basic interior layout as the 2004 1.6 SE I was smoking around in, especially as the 2004 had so many options thrown at it.

[r11co]

Trabi601 said:

No, because the OEM clusters were designed to a specific BMW styling trait. Look at all BMWs from the mid 2000s onwards and you'll see it in most of them.

Yes, I'm perfectly aware of that. What I am saying was that their design language was wrong, and it took some entreprenurial aftermarketeers to put it right.

[GroundEffect]

bazza white said:

McLarens newer cars are much sharper looking so the MP4 has aged quite quickly.

I'm hoping this means the 12C drops in price quicker. I'd love one.

[McAndy]

bazza white said:

McLarens newer cars are much sharper looking so the MP4 has aged quite quickly.

I'm the polar opposite on this one. I think that it has aged very gracefully and the 650S is an overwrought mess that won't age as well.

[GeordieInExile]

ColonelKurtz said:

Nooooooo! I just got an XF-S....I like them (obviously) but do think the rear overhang is a bit ungainly.

It's a bit Subaru Legacy for my liking.

[Britcar driver]

1st Gen Boxster. Looked cool when it first came put, but cheap interior and fried egg headlamps age it dramatically.

It's okay though, prices reflect this and they make for a great cheap track car!

[TopGear7]

Maybachs - I was in Mayfair last week and naturally encountered a few and they look horrendously dated. In comparison to a Phantom of the same age which still look current and elegant (the latter is subjective I suppose).

[J4CKO]

Britcar driver said:

1st Gen Boxster. Looked cool when it first came put, but cheap interior and fried egg headlamps age it dramatically.

It's okay though, prices reflect this and they make for a great cheap track car!

It is 20 years old, it isnt that much newer than a late 944 !

Maybe for some its still in the cheap old Porsche category but for me, its come out of the other side, a tidy, original 986 is a fine thing for not a lot of money, keep the gingercators, standard wheels and enjoy a fantastic drive as it mellows into a classic, I dont think they are going to be going massively up in value but nice ones, manuals, in decent colour combos are firming up, and you get a six cylinder engine, judging by all the negative posts about the new Turbo four, these should be 20 grand by now !

I still remember Porsche challenge on the original PlayStation, thats how old they are.

[Quickmoose]

JTSmith said:

OneTun said:

I always thought the Signium was pretty cool! If i remember it was a 'hatchbackk estate' before Audi came out with the A3 Avant

Exactly, I had 3lt TD Elite.
As a concept it was ahead of it's time, reclining rear seats, over head storage, fridge in the rear centre armrest, so you could have full-on luxury or with seats folded, a pretty handy carry-all.
As a design, it hasn't aged badly, nor could be released today as modern...all it is, is ageing, and if anything not ageing that badly. Rear end was a mess though to look at square on, and the front was quite bland. Good bit of design for it's time though IMO.

[JTSmith]

J4CKO said:

Britcar driver said:

1st Gen Boxster. Looked cool when it first came put, but cheap interior and fried egg headlamps age it dramatically.

It's okay though, prices reflect this and they make for a great cheap track car!

It is 20 years old, it isnt that much newer than a late 944 !

Maybe for some its still in the cheap old Porsche category but for me, its come out of the other side, a tidy, original 986 is a fine thing for not a lot of money, keep the gingercators, standard wheels and enjoy a fantastic drive as it mellows into a classic, I dont think they are going to be going massively up in value but nice ones, manuals, in decent colour combos are firming up, and you get a six cylinder engine, judging by all the negative posts about the new Turbo four, these should be 20 grand by now !

I still remember Porsche challenge on the original PlayStation, thats how old they are.

Hahah Porsche Boxster Challenge for PS1 was basically the reason I'm an Auto Designer today!

[SWoll]

McAndy said:

bazza white said:

McLarens newer cars are much sharper looking so the MP4 has aged quite quickly.

I'm the polar opposite on this one. I think that it has aged very gracefully and the 650S is an overwrought mess that won't age as well.

I agree. I think they were pushed into changes as it didn't look 'modern' enough, but the original 12C will still look great in 20 years just like the F1 does now.

J4CKO said:

It is 20 years old, it isnt that much newer than a late 944 !

Maybe for some its still in the cheap old Porsche category but for me, its come out of the other side, a tidy, original 986 is a fine thing for not a lot of money, keep the gingercators, standard wheels and enjoy a fantastic drive as it mellows into a classic, I dont think they are going to be going massively up in value but nice ones, manuals, in decent colour combos are firming up, and you get a six cylinder engine, judging by all the negative posts about the new Turbo four, these should be 20 grand by now !

I still remember Porsche challenge on the original PlayStation, thats how old they are.

Agree with this also. I do prefer the looks of the S on better wheels though. A great properly analogue sports car which is still relatively refined and useable and looks great in the right colour.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 23 September 12:19

[Quickmoose]

SWoll said:

McAndy said:

bazza white said:

McLarens newer cars are much sharper looking so the MP4 has aged quite quickly.

I'm the polar opposite on this one. I think that it has aged very gracefully and the 650S is an overwrought mess that won't age as well.

I agree. I think they were pushed into changes as it didn't look 'modern' enough, but the original 12C will still look great in 20 years just like the F1 does now.

McLaren don't 'do' overwrought. All of their designs are considered and stylish, honed, and each iteration has it's little place, representing their moment in time quietly. Like an Aston
Of a similar sort of shape that doesn't fair so well...Noble 600...

[SWoll]

Quickmoose said:

SWoll said:

McAndy said:

bazza white said:

McLarens newer cars are much sharper looking so the MP4 has aged quite quickly.

I'm the polar opposite on this one. I think that it has aged very gracefully and the 650S is an overwrought mess that won't age as well.

I agree. I think they were pushed into changes as it didn't look 'modern' enough, but the original 12C will still look great in 20 years just like the F1 does now.

McLaren don't 'do' overwrought. All of their designs are considered and stylish, honed, and each iteration has it's little place, representing their moment in time quietly. Like an Aston
Of a similar sort of shape that doesn't fair so well...Noble 600...

I think they rushed it with the 650S in order to get it out to market personally. Too fussy, which never ages well.

Agree on the Noble, but then again much of the underlying tech is also pretty old school so suits it in many ways.

[pits]

5th Generation Mustang, just look awful, especially now when you see them with their faded plastic headlights.

[McAndy]

Quickmoose said:

McLaren don't 'do' overwrought.

The front of the 675LT is a fairly busy place, to my eyes.

[Quickmoose]

McAndy said:

Quickmoose said:

McLaren don't 'do' overwrought.

The front of the 675LT is a fairly busy place, to my eyes.

exactly, if it were overly busy or too busy, it'd be overwrought

in actual fact in terms of shut lines and such, lighting and cooling it's pretty 'clean' IMO

[McAndy]

Quickmoose said:

exactly, if it were overly busy or too busy, it'd be overwrought

in actual fact in terms of shut lines and such, lighting and cooling it's pretty 'clean' IMO

A fair point! I still think that the 12C looks classier, though.

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carlove said:

Today I saw one of these on a 66 plate, the oldest looking new car I can think of, possibly the oldest new car you can buy anyway, must have been around nearly 20 years.

The Jimny has been around forever but is still reasonably well regarded if you want a cheapish, lightish, not very powerful but relatively capable offroader. Technically it was designed in the late 40s as the Land Rover, Suzuki just took the concept and made it so it always starts and doesn't rust as much.