RE: Bentley Bentayga Diesel - official!
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king hate SUVs, its completely irrational and has no logic to it so I will not attempt to explain it as it is a gut feel thing. I understand there are people who "need" luxurious 4x4s , the SUV is a niche I just don't get.
My opinion doesn't matter as I cannot see me ever being in a position where I would voluntarily want to buy a new one of these so I am not target market.
The only redeeming feature of sporting brands having them is because they sell well and therefore support the development of more niche cars like hyper/super/sports cars that I do like.
If a brand like porsche, Bentley , Jaguar or maybe TVR in the future or lotus, or even ferrari need to have one of these in the range to allow them to continue to produce the cars I love then so be it, just don ask me to like them.
king hate SUVs, its completely irrational and has no logic to it so I will not attempt to explain it as it is a gut feel thing. I understand there are people who "need" luxurious 4x4s , the SUV is a niche I just don't get.My opinion doesn't matter as I cannot see me ever being in a position where I would voluntarily want to buy a new one of these so I am not target market.
The only redeeming feature of sporting brands having them is because they sell well and therefore support the development of more niche cars like hyper/super/sports cars that I do like.
If a brand like porsche, Bentley , Jaguar or maybe TVR in the future or lotus, or even ferrari need to have one of these in the range to allow them to continue to produce the cars I love then so be it, just don ask me to like them.
458man said:
peter450 said:
458man said:
I'm sure it won't take the crown as it will always have Bentley maintenance costs so that won't be an issue. As for the car not being off road capable have a look at these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvzhbdm49EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_O3obRJPiA
It's most deffo a proper off roader but like he said not many will bother venturing offroad but good to know it's there!
I would not go as far as to say it's a proper off-roader, soft roader would be a better descriptionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvzhbdm49EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_O3obRJPiA
It's most deffo a proper off roader but like he said not many will bother venturing offroad but good to know it's there!
https://youtu.be/puaPTmxwwhg
I'm not dishing the car, but to say at 70k it makes a ranger rover pointless implies it's the superior product when in my view it's not, it's the more luxury product so it will always have the niche market that wants the super interior and Bently Badge but that's all it's got over the Rangie
yonex said:
Ares said:
No they won't. Very very few of these all be bought through businesses. The Tax liability is monstrous. Of all the Bentley drivers I know, ditto similar level cars, not a single one is a company vehicle. It makes such massive sense to take an allowance and buy/finance privately. The only people I know who take a £100k+ company car are driving Teslas due to crazy attractive tax positions.
Funny that, I know several myself who use the business to fund them. The main issue is that a good proportion will be leased, therefore your suggestion that all the negative comments are due to jealously, or a lack of purchasing power are totally unfounded. Just like I do with my business. If I were to actually put it through the books, I'd be c£300/mth worse off.
Struggling to see how the 'negative comments are due to jealously, or a lack of purchasing power' are therefore totally unfounded?
DM525i said:
Who in their right mind is going to off road in this?
I think you need to define what you mean by 'off road'.It's going to be sold all over the world - so provided it can handle the likes of hill-tracks to Grouse moors in Yorkshire, or trips to the Wadi's in Dubai it'll do fine.
If anyone requires to do a level of off-roading that the Bentley couldn't handle they'd buy a RR or a more specialised tool.
peter450 said:
Ares said:
IAJO said:
A super high tech diesel engine from a company that hasn't made diesel engines. You wouldn't want one out of warranty I'm betting.
Yeah. VW have never been known for their diesel engines. Oh, hang on.....
Not looking to get in an arguement about monthly costs but realistically, even on a lease a Bentayga will be a hell of a lot of money.
It's not going to be a car someone with limited means will be able to stretch too at all.
If it were a traditional lease (9 + 23) with 10k PA mileage i would imagine you'd be paying AT LEAST £3000 per month (plus £27,000 upfront)
That is serious money in my book.
It's a massive leap up from an X5 or Cayenne for instance.
It's not going to be a car someone with limited means will be able to stretch too at all.
If it were a traditional lease (9 + 23) with 10k PA mileage i would imagine you'd be paying AT LEAST £3000 per month (plus £27,000 upfront)
That is serious money in my book.
It's a massive leap up from an X5 or Cayenne for instance.
George111 said:
Also I doubt it will get 30mpg, I'd put money on 15-18 mpg if the petrol is giving 9mpg.
I get more or less 30mpg heavy footing it around with the older, slightly larger version of that engine in my Cayenne so I don't see why not.I don't even get 18mpg pulling a 3 tonne trailer with it
Personally I'd take a Range Rover every day of the week. I just don't see the extra money in these. Look forward to this engine being in the next Cayenne with better dynamics and a far more sensible price though!
Thankyou4calling said:
Not looking to get in an arguement about monthly costs but realistically, even on a lease a Bentayga will be a hell of a lot of money.
It's not going to be a car someone with limited means will be able to stretch too at all.
If it were a traditional lease (9 + 23) with 10k PA mileage i would imagine you'd be paying AT LEAST £3000 per month (plus £27,000 upfront)
That is serious money in my book.
It's a massive leap up from an X5 or Cayenne for instance.
Someone with limited (depending on your definition of limited) means is unlikely to be considering buying a Bentley in the first place though are they?It's not going to be a car someone with limited means will be able to stretch too at all.
If it were a traditional lease (9 + 23) with 10k PA mileage i would imagine you'd be paying AT LEAST £3000 per month (plus £27,000 upfront)
That is serious money in my book.
It's a massive leap up from an X5 or Cayenne for instance.
Shame really, I get the point of the car itself, and I know fitting it with a Diesel engine will sell well, but it's just a Shame, rich people buy Bentleys, so why do they want to take a well refined car and fit it with a grumbling engine with no refinement and that makes your hand stink at the pump.
I seem to remember the reason rolls Royce don't make a Diesel engined car.
I seem to remember the reason rolls Royce don't make a Diesel engined car.
InductionRoar said:
Someone with limited (depending on your definition of limited) means is unlikely to be considering buying a Bentley in the first place though are they?
Absolutely.I was reading earlier posts which suggested that leasing would allow people of limited means to drive them and for me, that isn't the case.
Thankyou4calling said:
InductionRoar said:
Someone with limited (depending on your definition of limited) means is unlikely to be considering buying a Bentley in the first place though are they?
Absolutely.I was reading earlier posts which suggested that leasing would allow people of limited means to drive them and for me, that isn't the case.
Hopefully the revenue from the extra demand means the EXP 10 Speed 6 will be into production sooner.
PS. I've got that annoying Daphne & Celeste song in my head now!
PS. I've got that annoying Daphne & Celeste song in my head now!
irocfan said:
seen several IRL and while you're right - it isn't as ugly as in the photos (that would be hard TBH) it is still U.G.L.Y.. I suspect that the diesel actually is in keeping with the character of these sorts of cars (as long is it can't be heard inside) but it really is a look that only a mother could love (and even then only for short periods!)
When I see images of these, my eyes just can't help seeing a Cayenne, doesn't matter how it's dressed up.
I'd bet a gold pig that we see some of these blasting around Central London during 'Supercar Summer' or whatever it's called, blinged up with 24" wheels and finished in mirror-wrap (or is that 'rap'....?)
My viewpoint would be that Bentley should have taken a leaf out of Toyotas book and created a new brand, as they did with Lexus, keeping their core identity within the saloons and coupes, and creating a new identity to suit their SUV sales.
Perhaps something evocative like the Mulliner as a stand-alone name, or perhaps the Bernato or Birkin...?
I'd bet a gold pig that we see some of these blasting around Central London during 'Supercar Summer' or whatever it's called, blinged up with 24" wheels and finished in mirror-wrap (or is that 'rap'....?)
My viewpoint would be that Bentley should have taken a leaf out of Toyotas book and created a new brand, as they did with Lexus, keeping their core identity within the saloons and coupes, and creating a new identity to suit their SUV sales.
Perhaps something evocative like the Mulliner as a stand-alone name, or perhaps the Bernato or Birkin...?
Clivey said:
I do need / want to get back in to this - I used to design cars for fun as that was the career I initially intended to pursue (ended-up in IT!)...
...and there goes an afternoon when I should be doing other things! In all seriousness, I'll have a go. Can't make promises as to when, though!
Lol, all very well intentioned I'm sure but if you believe that the way that Bentley looks is solely down the designers then that's very nieve. ...and there goes an afternoon when I should be doing other things! In all seriousness, I'll have a go. Can't make promises as to when, though!
I would go as far as to say that no road legal vehicle on sale today is as it was when the designers put their pens down; packaging, safety, aero all have their say and whilst I'm sure we could all have a decent stab at creating something that looks great, its unfair to compare.
Personally, I quite like it, and If I was wealthy enough, with a family, and wanted to travel somewhere in Europe, I can't think of anything I'd rather have.
Oh and please can people stop moaning about the diesel aspect? They have been part and parcel of barge travel for a while now and they are bloody good at what they do.
I would suggest that at least 80% of barges (S Class, 7-series, A8, XJ, Rangie etc etc) in the last 10 years will be diesel, or in the latter years, a hybrid. The market for putting big petrol engines in cars that are NOT designed to be driven "sportily" is dead.
rtz62 said:
I'd bet a gold pig that we see some of these blasting around Central London during 'Supercar Summer' or whatever it's called, blinged up with 24" wheels and finished in mirror-wrap (or is that 'rap'....?)
That's not really the fault of the car though, is it? After all this applies to Ferrari, Lamborghini, Rolls Royce etc already. Or are we going to scorn all those cars as well based on how some people treat them?InductionRoar said:
Thankyou4calling said:
Not looking to get in an arguement about monthly costs but realistically, even on a lease a Bentayga will be a hell of a lot of money.
It's not going to be a car someone with limited means will be able to stretch too at all.
If it were a traditional lease (9 + 23) with 10k PA mileage i would imagine you'd be paying AT LEAST £3000 per month (plus £27,000 upfront)
That is serious money in my book.
It's a massive leap up from an X5 or Cayenne for instance.
Someone with limited (depending on your definition of limited) means is unlikely to be considering buying a Bentley in the first place though are they?It's not going to be a car someone with limited means will be able to stretch too at all.
If it were a traditional lease (9 + 23) with 10k PA mileage i would imagine you'd be paying AT LEAST £3000 per month (plus £27,000 upfront)
That is serious money in my book.
It's a massive leap up from an X5 or Cayenne for instance.
I expect more accurate figures would be £1800 on a 9+23, which is still a big number.
yonex said:
Funny that, I know several myself who use the business to fund them. The main issue is that a good proportion will be leased, therefore your suggestion that all the negative comments are due to jealously, or a lack of purchasing power are totally unfounded.
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