RE: Ferrari GTC4 Lusso T for Paris

[nutbehinddawheel]

Chinese Market dictates apparently

[samoht]

jayemm89 said:

matsoc said:

The simply idea of a Ferrari model with more than 1 engine options is wrong.

This. V6 488 anyone? I can understand it for the markets like China where a huge cost saving could be had on account of lower taxes, but for other markets I can't imagine it being a big seller. Not that any Ferrari 4-seater ever is.

Ferrari have done it before, though. They produced a variant of the 308 GT4, the 208 GT4, with a small-bore two-litre variant of the former's three-litre V8. This was then transferred to the 208 GTB, which was later turbocharged; when the 328 succeeded the 308, the 2.0 turbo model carried over, now intercooled. Why did Ferrari do this? Yes, to qualify for lower annual tax rates, at that time in the domestic Italian market.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_308_GTB/GTS#...

[DamnKraut]

610hp entry level

Still a fiercely ugly car.

[Ian_C]

matsoc said:

Noticed now it lost 4wd too, even more crazy, the GTC4 Lusso is FF restyling, how can the ditch 4x4 when it was part of the name of the car?

+1!

Why not just call it the GTC Lusso. Why the awkward GTC4 Lusso T, when its not 4wd?!?!

[MDL111]

Ian_C said:

matsoc said:

Noticed now it lost 4wd too, even more crazy, the GTC4 Lusso is FF restyling, how can the ditch 4x4 when it was part of the name of the car?

+1!

Why not just call it the GTC Lusso. Why the awkward GTC4 Lusso T, when its not 4wd?!?!

4 seats ....

[sidesauce]

DamnKraut said:

Still a fiercely ugly car.

I disagree. I love the way it looks!

[Twoshoe]

sidesauce said:

I disagree. I love the way it looks!

So do I - fantastic looking thing imho. Not sure I could struggle by with a mere 610hp though...

[matsoc]

samoht said:

jayemm89 said:

matsoc said:

The simply idea of a Ferrari model with more than 1 engine options is wrong.

This. V6 488 anyone? I can understand it for the markets like China where a huge cost saving could be had on account of lower taxes, but for other markets I can't imagine it being a big seller. Not that any Ferrari 4-seater ever is.

Ferrari have done it before, though. They produced a variant of the 308 GT4, the 208 GT4, with a small-bore two-litre variant of the former's three-litre V8. This was then transferred to the 208 GTB, which was later turbocharged; when the 328 succeeded the 308, the 2.0 turbo model carried over, now intercooled. Why did Ferrari do this? Yes, to qualify for lower annual tax rates, at that time in the domestic Italian market.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_308_GTB/GTS#...

True, as an Italian I often had to live with absurd car related taxes. The last one, introduced in 2011, the "superbollo" punishes car enthusiasts making them pay 14.7€/year for EVERY hp more than 250hp. A 500hp car means an additional 3,677€/year of road tax plus the 583€ "normal" road tax.

Anyway back on the 208 it was a plain error, it ruined Ferrari image here in Italy for years, the first generation had just 155hp and 170Nm of torque, 0-60 in 8,5. And at lower revs the turbo lag made it feel even slower, it was outperformed by hot hatches. Luckily they soon upgraded the engine to 220hp...

[rodericb]

samoht said:

Ferrari have done it before, though. They produced a variant of the 308 GT4, the 208 GT4, with a small-bore two-litre variant of the former's three-litre V8. This was then transferred to the 208 GTB, which was later turbocharged; when the 328 succeeded the 308, the 2.0 turbo model carried over, now intercooled. Why did Ferrari do this? Yes, to qualify for lower annual tax rates, at that time in the domestic Italian market.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_308_GTB/GTS#...

Would this be the first Ferrari which has engines of differing cylinder counts? Those 208's were V8's.

[Twoshoe]

sidesauce said:

I disagree. I love the way it looks!

So do I - fantastic looking thing imho. Not sure I could struggle by with a mere 610hp though...

[BVB]

Cool. But I'll take the V12.

[peter450]

sidesauce said:

DamnKraut said:

Still a fiercely ugly car.

I disagree. I love the way it looks!

The 456 is much nicer

[Hitch]

Try ordering one though

[samoht]

rodericb said:

Would this be the first Ferrari which has engines of differing cylinder counts? Those 208's were V8's.

I think so, yes. Evo agree - http://www.evo.co.uk/ferrari/18306/ferraris-firsts...

evo said:

The GTC4Lusso also becomes one of very few Ferraris (the 365BB and 512BB, and 208 and 308 were others) that has offered two different power units in the same body style - and then, the first to include two configurations (V8 and V12) in the same body.

I have a feeling some racing cars got re-engined between V8, V12 and inline four engines at some point, but unsure if they were really the 'same' chassis.

[TooMany2cvs]

samoht said:

evo said:

The GTC4Lusso also becomes one of very few Ferraris (the 365BB and 512BB, and 208 and 308 were others) that has offered two different power units in the same body style - and then, the first to include two configurations (V8 and V12) in the same body.

I have a feeling some racing cars got re-engined between V8, V12 and inline four engines at some point, but unsure if they were really the 'same' chassis.

Weren't some of the 330s just 4.0 250s? And some of the early four-cylinder cars basically just the v12s with the engine changed?

(OMG! FOUR CYLINDER FERRARI! HORROR!)

[jayemm89]

samoht said:

Ferrari have done it before, though. They produced a variant of the 308 GT4, the 208 GT4, with a small-bore two-litre variant of the former's three-litre V8. This was then transferred to the 208 GTB, which was later turbocharged; when the 328 succeeded the 308, the 2.0 turbo model carried over, now intercooled. Why did Ferrari do this? Yes, to qualify for lower annual tax rates, at that time in the domestic Italian market.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_308_GTB/GTS#...

So, precisely my point - it's really a market-specific car. I doubt they'll be the talk of Arab types in Knightsbridge...

[rodericb]

TooMany2cvs said:

Weren't some of the 330s just 4.0 250s? And some of the early four-cylinder cars basically just the v12s with the engine changed?

(OMG! FOUR CYLINDER FERRARI! HORROR!)

All the more reason to think of the Alfa Romeo 4C as a mini ferrari!

[Aeroresh]

Looks fantastic! First new Ferrari Id actually go out and buy. The FF always looked a bit ungainly from the rear, but this......

Its muted to cost more than the v12 though? For less?!

[footsoldier]

It's a rubbish ski car - there is no way to fit a ski rack to this, or an FF.

[SteveSteveson]

footsoldier said:

It's a rubbish ski car - there is no way to fit a ski rack to this, or an FF.

Just what I was thinking. I do wonder how many people saying this have been skiing. They generally have good roads, that are cleared of snow regularly and well maintained. Much better than most UK roads in winter (because they get it for 6 months every year, not one in a blue moon) What you need is something that will carry skis on the roof and swallow ski boots and clothes with ease.