RE: Porsche 911 R: PH Videoblog
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Kenny Powers said:
Moan moan moan moan moan f
king moan.
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If you don't like it don't ready it. 1 post in God knows how many months to say that?king moan.- The Internet 2016
There are a lot of long-standing PHers voicing various opinions, many of whom are also long-standing or ongoing Porsche owners and customers. If you don't like what they have to say, fine, but don't just dismiss it as online ranting.
PhilboSE said:
I think there's a difference between a standalone halo model hypercar costing a million quid and something that is presented as another model variant in a standard range. I don't think the 911R is anything other than an artificial marketing construct. That's fine for the Porsche marketeers to do this but I'd prefer magazines and websites to challenge them on the position rather than editorially fellate them just because they get a day's drive in one.
100% agreement.Quickmoose said:
So was the original 1960's R also available to everyone? was it limited?
Have Porsche only just now started making limited editions from their standard models?
no.
924 Carrera GT anyone?
I think one of the issues is that there are no stripped-down, performance focused, manual 911 variants available to buy. Might, of course, change with the 991.2 GT3.Have Porsche only just now started making limited editions from their standard models?
no.
924 Carrera GT anyone?
Digga said:
If you don't like it don't ready it. 1 post in God knows how many months to say that?
There are a lot of long-standing PHers voicing various opinions, many of whom are also long-standing or ongoing Porsche owners and customers. If you don't like what they have to say, fine, but don't just dismiss it as online ranting.
Genuine apologies. I didn't realise there was a law in place requiring regular comments before earning the right to voice an opinion.There are a lot of long-standing PHers voicing various opinions, many of whom are also long-standing or ongoing Porsche owners and customers. If you don't like what they have to say, fine, but don't just dismiss it as online ranting.
If you don't like the car then don't buy it. If it wasn't so exclusive no one would care one way or the other. People these days just love to MOAN about anything they can. As Agent Smith so elequently put it: me me me me me!
Digga said:
Quickmoose said:
So was the original 1960's R also available to everyone? was it limited?
Have Porsche only just now started making limited editions from their standard models?
no.
924 Carrera GT anyone?
I think one of the issues is that there are no stripped-down, performance focused, manual 911 variants available to buy. Might, of course, change with the 991.2 GT3.Have Porsche only just now started making limited editions from their standard models?
no.
924 Carrera GT anyone?
If I'm remembering/reading right...it'd be the 997 GT3?
So the 991 GT3 was PDK only.... backlash at the time
991 R comes out to answer critics...limited supply though
So I can see the upset caused by that...but those people are probably (definitely) much more savvy than me, must know Porsche didn't make a manual box JUST for the 991 R.... patience is required that's all.
Buyers regularly miss out on ltd editions.
675s, Ford GTs, GT4s...
It would appear Porsche are one of the better companies at producing REALLY desirable cars...which makes them equally the most evil when they limit such product...
That's Porsche! always has been.
Kenny Powers said:
Genuine apologies. I didn't realise there was a law in place requiring regular comments before earning the right to voice an opinion.
There's no law. And that's your second post in months, so welcome to the fray. 
Kenny Powers said:
If you don't like the car then don't buy it.
That's the crux; no mortal could buy it. It went on sale at a similar price to other, high-end 991 cars, but was available - as per Dan Trent's explanation - to a very, very select few at that time. 'Used' examples are now being flipped for uo to ten times the original purchase price. So being able to afford the new ticket price is a moot point.Porsche has every right to curate the ownership of its halo models as it sees fit. It protects the brand and residuals and imho makes the ownership experience more than being about just whacking down a load of dosh. Porsche understands this.
Call it elitist, foam at the mouth all you like, but they make knock out cars and that entitles them to sell them to whom they wish.
And I would suggest that anyone who petulantly doesn't buy other Porsche vehicles because they can't get a halo model is bonkers. You miss out on great product and buying the lesser models is precisely how you improve your chances of getting the halo model.
And yes I have a gt3 so I would say this.
Call it elitist, foam at the mouth all you like, but they make knock out cars and that entitles them to sell them to whom they wish.
And I would suggest that anyone who petulantly doesn't buy other Porsche vehicles because they can't get a halo model is bonkers. You miss out on great product and buying the lesser models is precisely how you improve your chances of getting the halo model.
And yes I have a gt3 so I would say this.
PhilboSE said:
CS Garth said:
It ... makes the ownership experience more than being about just whacking down a load of dosh.
Doesn't the current strategy make it precisely about "just whacking down a load of dosh"?Never had my name down for a GT3 although I did make a serious enquiry, never had my name down for an R either but to be fair I didn't bother wasting my time after the GT3 rebuttal.
But saying that I've virtually given up on the brand anyway because of the dealer attitude, from what I've read I'm not alone .
Life goes on , I'll not be missed and to be honest I couldn't care less if I don't go in a OPC ever again.
As one door shuts another opens...
But saying that I've virtually given up on the brand anyway because of the dealer attitude, from what I've read I'm not alone .
Life goes on , I'll not be missed and to be honest I couldn't care less if I don't go in a OPC ever again.
As one door shuts another opens...
CS Garth said:
PhilboSE said:
CS Garth said:
It ... makes the ownership experience more than being about just whacking down a load of dosh.
Doesn't the current strategy make it precisely about "just whacking down a load of dosh"?Jam12321 said:
PhilboSE said:
I think there's a difference between a standalone halo model hypercar costing a million quid and something that is presented as another model variant in a standard range. I don't think the 911R is anything other than an artificial marketing construct. That's fine for the Porsche marketeers to do this but I'd prefer magazines and websites to challenge them on the position rather than editorially fellate them just because they get a day's drive in one.
100% agreement.If you want to talk about a car that's "another model variant in a standard range" then let's talk about the McLaren 675LT, a car that has 500 examples which were all sold before we knew about its existence. It isn't McLaren's 'halo' model, neither is it really a standalone - in fact, the comparison between the LT and the R is a pretty good one come to think of it. Again I ask, has there been as much negative clucking about it as there has been about the R? No. No there has not.
Given Porsche's history, anything with the R moniker will always be seen as something special, if they choose to limit numbers it's entirely up to them. I simply don't understand this sense of entitlement that people have - if one is not lucky enough to 'get on the list' then tough luck. I'm glad that the magazines review them and there's no need to challenge anything. It's their business what they want to supply and they don't owe you or anyone else anything, not even an explanation as to why.
Edited by sidesauce on Friday 23 September 20:35
Quickmoose said:
So was the original 1960's R also available to everyone? was it limited?
Have Porsche only just now started making limited editions from their standard models?
no.
924 Carrera GT anyone?
It's slightly different scenario, the original R was a race car built in the Motorsport department.Have Porsche only just now started making limited editions from their standard models?
no.
924 Carrera GT anyone?
Was it available to everyone ? Yes.
Was it built to order ? Yes.
Was it limited ? No. Just the demand was limited for such a niche product. It's a bit like expecting your average 991 C2/4 owner to go knocking on Porsche Motorsport's door asking for a 991 RSR ....
When compared to the available 911's of the day, the 924 CGT was a very expensive car .... It had some cachet, but not that much.
CS Garth said:
You could certainty argue that it is about consistently whacking down lots of cash. I'd see it more as consistently choosing Porsche products and showing brand loyalty
There are numerous buyers of 991 GT3/RS (and all the previous iterations) who didn't get an R allocation. However individuals who bought 918's seemed to magically "automatically" make the list.....I think I'd be pretty pissed if I'd bought a Mk 1 996 GT3 back in 1999, then a Mk2, then a GT3RS, moved on to a 997 and done the same with both generations of 997, then bought a 991 GT3, had my engine go bang (or the car off the road for many months waiting for a replacement engine) then traded my "soiled" GT3 in for 991 GT3 RS, only to be told that despite having spent the thick end of £1M on the brand over the last 15 years, I wasn't considered worthy of a 991 R.
That's bad form IMO.
But the bottom line is Porsche AG are making good profits and don't (and haven't for quite some time now) care about their customers (loyal or not), whether that comes back to bite them in the arse in years to come, only time will tell.
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