Alfa Guilia lease costs. You're aavin' a larf, mate.
Discussion
rxe said:
The won't shift many of these if they are not competitive - these prices are lease companies chucking out estimates for cars they haven't got and haven't even seen. It will become more competitive when it settles down and the cars actually exist.
Alfo could easily have solved that problem from the start with a guaranteed buy-back value. Unfortunately poor residuals tend to be a self-fulfilling prophecy; if these cars have ever been available on the market at three years old for ~40%, or even if people have got it into their heads that they should be, of new value, no-one will ever be willing to pay more. Edited by kambites on Sunday 25th September 14:53
rxe said:
I think the "crap residuals" is a bit over played - the 159 held its value pretty well for the first three years at least. Reliability is well overplayed - 156/147 and successors are no more or less reliable than anything else. I'm always under mine because I can't resist a neglected shed for a few hundred quid.
Their big problem is that they have no continuity. The 156 sold like hot cakes, and when you came to the end of the 3 year lease there was nothing to replace it with. 159 came along 6 years too late. Guilia is another 6 years too late. The germans have got this down to a fine art - you chop your three year old in, and there is the replacement, the same yet different.
The won't shift many of these if they are not competitive - these prices are lease companies chucking out estimates for cars they haven't got and haven't even seen. It will become more competitive when it settles down and the cars actually exist.
The QV is the first car in a long time I've considered getting new. Problem is I don't actually need a car at the moment, I'm hardly commuting at all, and my collection of older Alfas does just fine for family duties.
Alfa would have my deposit already for the QV if they hadn't made it auto only in the UK! Their big problem is that they have no continuity. The 156 sold like hot cakes, and when you came to the end of the 3 year lease there was nothing to replace it with. 159 came along 6 years too late. Guilia is another 6 years too late. The germans have got this down to a fine art - you chop your three year old in, and there is the replacement, the same yet different.
The won't shift many of these if they are not competitive - these prices are lease companies chucking out estimates for cars they haven't got and haven't even seen. It will become more competitive when it settles down and the cars actually exist.
The QV is the first car in a long time I've considered getting new. Problem is I don't actually need a car at the moment, I'm hardly commuting at all, and my collection of older Alfas does just fine for family duties.
battered said:
ITP said:
If I was wanting/needing a 4 pot diesel, which lets face it, is not a PH type of car whoever makes it, I wouldn't get a BMW or Alfa (or any other 'premium' brand). Something like a skoda Octavia would do the same day to day job just as well but much cheaper. Why spend more?
Because away from PH and in the real world people want a badge on the drive. A badge and a recent plate may make no difference to your driving enjoyment but it makes a difference to the way people behave towards you, right or wrong.You can choose to ignore this if you want, and FWIW I do, but I know that it changes the way people behave towards me.
Been driving back from the north and the number of people in new stuff who seem to crawl over the back of my old E36 is somewhat surprising.
rxe said:
I think the "crap residuals" is a bit over played - the 159 held its value pretty well for the first three years at least. Reliability is well overplayed - 156/147 and successors are no more or less reliable than anything else. I'm always under mine because I can't resist a neglected shed for a few hundred quid.
You're always under it because that platform requires frequent maintenance to keep it on the road. Wishbones being the main one, but the timing belt interval is abysmal and the tyre wear is somewhat excessive if you're doing big miles.I appreciate they're not unreliable in the stuck at the side of the road sense of the word, but there's always a big bill waiting at the next service.
Wills2 said:
Granfondo said:
Wills2 said:
Granfondo said:
"Special" maybe describing the fact that they won't be ten a penny!
I've got some very rare and therefore special magic beans if you're interested? 
kambites said:
rxe said:
The won't shift many of these if they are not competitive - these prices are lease companies chucking out estimates for cars they haven't got and haven't even seen. It will become more competitive when it settles down and the cars actually exist.
Alfo could easily have solved that problem from the start with a guaranteed buy-back value. Unfortunately poor residuals tend to be a self-fulfilling prophecy; if these cars have ever been available on the market at three years old for ~40%, or even if people have got it into their heads that they should be, of new value, no-one will ever be willing to pay more. Edited by kambites on Sunday 25th September 14:53
Ali_T said:
Granfondo said:
Alfa would have my deposit already for the QV if they hadn't made it auto only in the UK!
From people that attended Millbrook, the auto is the one to go for. Manual box was rubbery and vague. Granfondo said:
Alfa would have my deposit already for the QV if they hadn't made it auto only in the UK!
The problem with that is that every review I've seen of the manual car says the box is a bit crap and the cars weak link. On the other hand the auto version is fitted with the best around (ZF 8 Speed) and a better car for it.generationx said:
I drove the cars at Millbrook too. Certainly in LHD the manual ´box was not particularly nice to use. No problems with the 8-speed ZF personally - Dad has it in his Jaaag and it´s lovely.
For me it's the best transmission available if the car is going to be used daily. Fantastically smooth in normal mode but responsive and quite aggressive in sport/manual shift. I wouldn't want it in a track/weekend only car particularly but in a daily it ticks all the boxes. Evanivitch said:
You're always under it because that platform requires frequent maintenance to keep it on the road. Wishbones being the main one, but the timing belt interval is abysmal and the tyre wear is somewhat excessive if you're doing big miles.
I appreciate they're not unreliable in the stuck at the side of the road sense of the word, but there's always a big bill waiting at the next service.
Timing belt? 72K or 5 years for a V6? OK, 4 years if a 3.2 with lumpy cams. Its not that bad.I appreciate they're not unreliable in the stuck at the side of the road sense of the word, but there's always a big bill waiting at the next service.
Honestly, our V6 that we got with 3K miles on the clock in 2001 has needed zero engine maintenance apart from routine servicing, it's had a clutch, its had some wishbones and bushes. In 15 years. OK, I rebuilt the suspension completely because I wanted FSDs/Eibach springs and ARBs + an LSD, but that is not the car's fault.
I don't know what is acceptable in terms of tyre wear, but the current front set are on 18K and this is on a car that is driven hard. I accept that if they tyres are not aligned, they get lunched in short order.
No, I'm under them because I do stupid things like this and get knackered cars from Scotland...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=158...
An AROC member with a few minutes on his hands managed to find the following on Lex:
BMW 320d MSport StepAuto: £353.59+ VAT per month after £2121.54 + VAT deposit over 36 months
Giulia 2.2D 180 Super Auto : £364.63+ VAT per month after £2187.78 + VAT deposit over 36 months
So there are plenty of other deals that are better than the OPs. The Super has a higher standard equipment list so once you make the two equal, the BMW becomes more expensive if that's what you want.
But, hey, if we hadn't had the more incendiary initial post we couldn't have spent 5 pages saying "told you so" and polishing our crystal balls...
BMW 320d MSport StepAuto: £353.59+ VAT per month after £2121.54 + VAT deposit over 36 months
Giulia 2.2D 180 Super Auto : £364.63+ VAT per month after £2187.78 + VAT deposit over 36 months
So there are plenty of other deals that are better than the OPs. The Super has a higher standard equipment list so once you make the two equal, the BMW becomes more expensive if that's what you want.
But, hey, if we hadn't had the more incendiary initial post we couldn't have spent 5 pages saying "told you so" and polishing our crystal balls...
Edited by Ali_T on Tuesday 27th September 11:08
Granfondo said:
Wouldn't make much difference how cheap they make the monthlies in the badge snob culture we have! 
Of course it would, Alfa has an advantage of being a petrolheads favourite. The more petrolheads driving them, the more it filters down.Alfa offers something different and with the great reviews I would certainly consider the M4 / C63 / RS4 equivalent, but due to their awful PCP and lease deals I can't even entertain Alfa.
moffat said:
Of course it would, Alfa has an advantage of being a petrolheads favourite. The more petrolheads driving them, the more it filters down.
Alfa offers something different and with the great reviews I would certainly consider the M4 / C63 / RS4 equivalent, but due to their awful PCP and lease deals I can't even entertain Alfa.
QV is £9999 down and £719 a month for 48 months= £44511 spent. Alfa offers something different and with the great reviews I would certainly consider the M4 / C63 / RS4 equivalent, but due to their awful PCP and lease deals I can't even entertain Alfa.
An M3 without options is £11541 down and £689 a month = £44613 spent.
Final payments are similar. Add Competition Pack and DCT the BMW and it'll be even more expensive.
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